Being androgynous and staying that way - how?

[georges]

The anti-androgen bicalutimide (Casodex) has anti-hirsutic properties as well.  My six months on that medication practically eliminated by leg hair and diminished my torso hair.  Beard growth slowed; however, the beard has returned in the past two years.  Leg hair is permanently reduced, as is torso hair.

Really? That's great..6 months isn't such a big period for such great results.

I'm from the same country. We don't have the informed consent model here. And there's no ''try out first'' when it comes to hormones.. you need to be absolutely sure.

I don't want to give up your hopes but I really doubt you will be given AA in this country because you wish to keep an androgynous look.

Then how about telling that you are afraid of hair loss?

[Bubblegum]

Really? That's great..6 months isn't such a big period for such great results.



Then how about telling that you are afraid of hair loss?

Wouldn't work in my case. My family (both sides) have great hair from birth to death. And btw my doctor is a douche. Every single time I go to him, even with infections the first thing he tells me is to wait a few days before he (reluctantly) writes a prescription for meds. DAMN IT!

[Jamie D]

Really? That's great..6 months isn't such a big period for such great results.

Yeah, I had a bit of a hair problem   

[930310]

Yeah, I had a bit of a hair problem   

When I look in the mirror I see something closely resmbling him.
I hate facial hair.

[Feather]

Wouldn't work in my case. My family (both sides) have great hair from birth to death. And btw my doctor is a douche. Every single time I go to him, even with infections the first thing he tells me is to wait a few days before he (reluctantly) writes a prescription for meds. DAMN IT!

I have similar experiences with doctors. You have to push them really hard and exaggerate to get what you want.

[georges]

damn....i've got a meeting today and i'm afraid that she won't let me get a prescription,because there isn't any "serious" (sic) reason to get one.

the worse thing i'm afraid of is,that she'd suggest to meet a psychologist to discuss my "problem" instead of giving me a prescription...hope i'll be wrong

[Bubblegum]

damn....i've got a meeting today and i'm afraid that she won't let me get a prescription,because there isn't any "serious" (sic) reason to get one.

the worse thing i'm afraid of is,that she'd suggest to meet a psychologist to discuss my "problem" instead of giving me a prescription...hope i'll be wrong

I completely understand. That's one of my biggest concerns too. It's just not possible that you are the way you are and being cool with that, no, there has to be something 'wrong' with you...  And the whole therapy crap... once you're in, you're in. It's like saying the phrase: "I'm not crazy." Because after saying that, there's no way in hell anyone who heard you say it is gonna think of you as a sane person ever again.

[930310]

Well there are other ways to go if you want hormones, dealers, websites and so. They aren't legal in most countries, but I don't know if it applies to where you live. It is not something that I do recommend.

[georges]

I completely understand. That's one of my biggest concerns too. It's just not possible that you are the way you are and being cool with that, no, there has to be something 'wrong' with you...  And the whole therapy crap... once you're in, you're in. It's like saying the phrase: "I'm not crazy." Because after saying that, there's no way in hell anyone who heard you say it is gonna think of you as a sane person ever again.

It seems that things worked pretty good in yesterday's meeting. She didn't mind if i took hormones,because i told her,that i get sick with myself having body/facial hair and i'm afraid of hair loss,and most of all IT WASN'T MY FAULT.
(that's the most annoying thing really...if it was your fault ok,then the only one to blame is yourself...but those damn genetics can be a real curse sometimes!)
Anyway,she suggested me to have some medical tests to see if everything is ok to proceed....i've got to be patient though

good luck to your own case too

[Feather]

It seems that things worked pretty good in yesterday's meeting. She didn't mind if i took hormones,because i told her,that i get sick with myself having body/facial hair and i'm afraid of hair loss,and most of all IT WASN'T MY FAULT.
(that's the most annoying thing really...if it was your fault ok,then the only one to blame is yourself...but those damn genetics can be a real curse sometimes!)
Anyway,she suggested me to have some medical tests to see if everything is ok to proceed....i've got to be patient though

good luck to your own case too

In which country do you live..?

[Shantel]

Well there are other ways to go if you want hormones, dealers, websites and so. They aren't legal in most countries, but I don't know if it applies to where you live. It is not something that I do recommend.

Yes that is true and though we don't discuss it here or want to lead anyone to inadvertently harm themselves using hormones without medical supervision, I know that many here do self medicate when they finally come to the end of their dysphoric rope and consider that it's their life and they don't need to wait on someone or some governing body or insurance provider to tell them how or when they can live it.

Let me be responsible and add that I self medicated at one time without medical supervision and gave myself a potentially life threatening case of deep vein thrombosis, it was a very scary situation and took the better part of a year to recover and had I not acted quickly I probably wouldn't be here to tell about it.

[georges]

In which country do you live..?

I live in Greece,why?

Mediterranean people tend to be hairy unfortunately

[Bubblegum]

@Shantel: Thank you for writing about the 'dark side' of self medication. Imo there are a lot of downsides to the 'illegal' medication. I'd be really worried if the stuff I got is the real thing or not and mostly that my progress wouldn't be monitored by any medical pros. So I'm VERY reluctant to self medication.

@georges: I'm glad that things worked out for you so well. Wish my doc was as understanding as yours. But mine would probably dismiss my woes and send me home. That miserable sob...

[930310]

Yes that is true and though we don't discuss it here or want to lead anyone to inadvertently harm themselves using hormones without medical supervision, I know that many here do self medicate when they finally come to the end of their dysphoric rope and consider that it's their life and they don't need to wait on someone or some governing body or insurance provider to tell them how or when they can live it.

Let me be responsible and add that I self medicated at one time without medical supervision and gave myself a potentially life threatening case of deep vein thrombosis, it was a very scary situation and took the better part of a year to recover and had I not acted quickly I probably wouldn't be here to tell about it.

Thanks for expanding on my post.

[georges]

@georges: I'm glad that things worked out for you so well. Wish my doc was as understanding as yours. But mine would probably dismiss my woes and send me home. That miserable sob...

I don't know your doc,but the only thing i've got to say is don't act desperate,being calm at your doctor might benefit you,even if you feel badly deep inside

[Bubblegum]

Yeah, I'm not a desperate person. Overall I'm very calm and collected. However, I don't think that anything would get me anywhere with him. Ever since he found out that I 'lied' to him about my drug use in the past, he's been very suspicious of me. For God's sake, I smoked pot a couple of months, so what?!?

[930310]

Yeah, I'm not a desperate person. Overall I'm very calm and collected. However, I don't think that anything would get me anywhere with him. Ever since he found out that I 'lied' to him about my drug use in the past, he's been very suspicious of me. For God's sake, I smoked pot a couple of months, so what?!?

"One small lie can easily hide many bigger ones."
At least that's how I believe he's reasoning.

[georges]

Yeah, I'm not a desperate person. Overall I'm very calm and collected. However, I don't think that anything would get me anywhere with him. Ever since he found out that I 'lied' to him about my drug use in the past, he's been very suspicious of me. For God's sake, I smoked pot a couple of months, so what?!?

Then why don't you go to another doctor?

[Bombadil]

I'm probably butting in on a conversation over something that's already been resolved but I'll just say that starving is not worth it. And if the body is born male I don't think it's make you look more adrogynous or younger. to starve enough to make a difference, you just end up looking sick.  And you might actually start growing hair not loosing it. And the cost is very, very high.

been there, done that, it's not worth it.

[930310]

I'm probably butting in on a conversation over something that's already been resolved but I'll just say that starving is not worth it. And if the body is born male I don't think it's make you look more adrogynous or younger. to starve enough to make a difference, you just end up looking sick.  And you might actually start growing hair not loosing it. And the cost is very, very high.

been there, done that, it's not worth it.

I totally agree with you.