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Started by Keira, April 15, 2014, 04:57:44 PM

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Keira

My experiences and my ideal body don't fit the "standard trans narrative" that is constantly expressed by almost everyone. This is a big part of why I'm not very inclined to post and share in trans groups.

The further I get in my transition, the more I realize how little I have in common with other trans people: the way I understand being trans, younger generation vs older generation, my experience of my own gender etc.

I see so many positive stories, and yet I'm only a little bit better off after going full time and going on HRT. My dysphoria is definitely a lot better, but my life is still crap.

Can anyone else relate?

-Skyla
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sad panda

 Aw... yes, I can absolutely relate. I think it's wonderful that so many are able to have a positive transition, but I also think other voices get kinda drowned out in all that. Transition didn't make me happier, personally, and it wasn't what I wanted, though I feel a lil stuck at this point. I feel pretty alone about this too.

Hope you're okay. :c
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Ltl89

I always feel like this.  To be honest, I do fit into some of the narrative and it explains me somewhat, but I always feel different or weird around other trans people.  I don't know what it is.  I just don't feel like I found my group even if we share things in common.  I don't know how to explain it. 

As for life getting better, no it really hasn't.  I'm still in the middle of things and it's stressful as hell in so many ways.  I feel like this has to be done and I'm glad for starting my transition, but it's not like everything is amazing or if I know whether I'll actually make it out okay in the end. 

I'm sorry you are feeling down.  You know where to find me if you ever need to talk.
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Jill F

FWIW, I always felt like a misfit.  I think we all did.  How's that for "standard trans narrative"?

We are all unique and shouldn't worry about what molds we fit in or not.
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Rachel

I can relate. I am just past the beginning and am struggling to cope with the daily challenges of who am I, what will I do and how can I commit. My dysphoria is much better but dealing with all the issues on a daily basis is a lot to handle. I too am very glad to start my transition, finally.
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Jessica Merriman

Remember there is no such thing as Trans enough and their is no secret decoder ring you get for hitting a certain level. If you get to the point you are comfortable with yourself you have reached your peak. More trans people stop with HRT and live very happy lives versus the minority who complete SRS. You may find yourself comfortable with the minimum treatment for gender Dysphoria where I know mine will not abate until Post Op. :)
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dkl

For me; it's still a challenge at work where people knew me before (small company, small town, small minds). However, I live, play and socialize in a larger city about 30 miles away, where no one knew me before, that's where life is much, much better. I feel comfortable with myself all the time, but I get tired of felling tolerated where I have a history, and feel accepted, and invited in where people don't know my history.
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Keira

Quote from: learningtolive on April 15, 2014, 05:25:11 PM
I always feel like this.  To be honest, I do fit into some of the narrative and it explains me somewhat, but I always feel different or weird around other trans people.  I don't know what it is.  I just don't feel like I found my group even if we share things in common.  I don't know how to explain it. 

As for life getting better, no it really hasn't.  I'm still in the middle of things and it's stressful as hell in so many ways.  I feel like this has to be done and I'm glad for starting my transition, but it's not like everything is amazing or if I know whether I'll actually make it out okay in the end. 

I'm sorry you are feeling down.  You know where to find me if you ever need to talk.

I see a lot of implied and explicit gender policing in the trans community; it has become the norm and no one questions it. People can say "I don't like my penis because I'm a woman" and " I can say 'she's 100% female now' because she deserves respect for going through GRS and fully transitioning". Its amazing how much the trans community bases its validity on cis definitions of male and female. Numerous times I have heard trans people say gender essentialist things and its caused me to become suicidally depressed. It builds on me over time and I internalize it.

The toxic nature of our communities is not helping our rate of suicide.

-Skyla
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Jessica Merriman

Quote from: Skyla Blue on April 15, 2014, 05:50:53 PM
Its amazing how much the trans community bases its validity on cis definitions of male and female.

We base our physical condition on male or female terms that we use to pass. Not police ourselves. :)
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Ltl89

Quote from: Skyla Blue on April 15, 2014, 05:50:53 PM
I see a lot of implied and explicit gender policing in the trans community; it has become the norm and no one questions it. People can say "I don't like my penis because I'm a woman" and " I can say 'she's 100% female now' because she deserves respect for going through GRS and fully transitioning". Its amazing how much the trans community bases its validity on cis definitions of male and female. Numerous times I have heard trans people say gender essentialist things and its caused me to become suicidally depressed. It builds on me over time and I internalize it.

The toxic nature of our communities is not helping our rate of suicide.

-Skyla

Well, all of us are unique in some way.  There is no right way to be "you".  Forget about the labels. The only thing to do is to be yourself as we all have different needs, wants, feeings and or desires.  Though I do realize that is harder than it seems and I struggle big time with it.  At the end of the day, we all care what other people think.  And when we know we are looked down upon, for whatever reason, it hurts and we take it to heart.  Believe me, I'm the prime example of this.  Although, we really shouldn't feel this way nor should we allow others to have power over our own feelings.  Sorry, I struggle with much of this myself, so I don't have the greatest aid to provide.  Though I'm always here if you need someone to lend an ear. 
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gennee

Skyla the main point is to find is a place where you feel comfortable. 


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Keira

Quote from: gennee on April 15, 2014, 06:24:03 PM
Skyla the main point is to find is a place where you feel comfortable. 


:)

As far as I can tell, I don't feel like I fit anywhere. I doubt I ever will.
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asheriko35

Quote from: Skyla Blue on April 15, 2014, 04:57:44 PM
My experiences and my ideal body don't fit the "standard trans narrative" that is constantly expressed by almost everyone. This is a big part of why I'm not very inclined to post and share in trans groups.

The further I get in my transition, the more I realize how little I have in common with other trans people: the way I understand being trans, younger generation vs older generation, my experience of my own gender etc.

I see so many positive stories, and yet I'm only a little bit better off after going full time and going on HRT. My dysphoria is definitely a lot better, but my life is still crap.

Can anyone else relate?

-Skyla

It is legitimate that each one has it's own story. I also feel different in a senses that I wasnt the little boy who played with barbies and socialized only with girls...
You are still sad even after going full time?
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Keira

Quote from: asheriko35 on April 15, 2014, 06:38:20 PM
You are still sad even after going full time?

Yes, a lot of things have changed for the better, but I now have to deal with barely being able to make enough money to survive and people being transphobic.
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Carrie Liz

Not really sure if this is the same kind of thing or not, but I do definitely relate to not quite fitting into the official trans narrativeā„¢.

I didn't know that I was trans as a kid. In fact, if you had asked me about the possibility, I would have laughed. They can say "I always knew that I was a woman," where for me it wasn't until adolescence that I started experiencing dysphoria, and it was mostly bodily rather than social. I didn't really have much interest in being traditionally feminine, I was actually more jealous of the nerdy tomboyish girls who didn't give two cares about makeup or fashion or fitting into society's definition of femininity. And it wasn't really "transition or die" for me, it was more like a continuous lingering melancholy and a lack of self-esteem.

And like you, my life really isn't that much better off. I feel better about myself on a personal level, I'm not constantly at war with myself anymore, and I'm relatively happy, but my life itself has gone to complete and total crap. When I started transition I was employed full-time, in a relationship, and in a position of social privilege. Since starting transition, I've been fired from two jobs due to being trans, and am currently unemployed, scraping the bottom of the barrel for crap jobs despite being a college graduate, still feeling like my potential is going unfulfilled, with my potential for a love life seriously hindered, and now living in a position where I constantly have to worry about the potential for social oppression.

Again, don't know if any of the experiences are mutual, but I definitely feel a bit different from a lot of the trans women at my local support group who are all about dresses and makeup while I'm more about jeans and t-shirts, and my life certainly hasn't been all sunshine and roses since going full-time.
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asheriko35

Quote from: Carrie Liz on April 15, 2014, 07:07:38 PM
Not really sure if this is the same kind of thing or not, but I do definitely relate to not quite fitting into the official trans narrativeā„¢.

I didn't know that I was trans as a kid. In fact, if you had asked me about the possibility, I would have laughed. They can say "I always knew that I was a woman," where for me it wasn't until adolescence that I started experiencing dysphoria, and it was mostly bodily rather than social. I didn't really have much interest in being traditionally feminine, I was actually more jealous of the nerdy tomboyish girls who didn't give two cares about makeup or fashion or fitting into society's definition of femininity. And it wasn't really "transition or die" for me, it was more like a continuous lingering melancholy and a lack of self-esteem.

And like you, my life really isn't that much better off. I feel better about myself on a personal level, I'm not constantly at war with myself anymore, and I'm relatively happy, but my life itself has gone to complete and total crap. When I started transition I was employed full-time, in a relationship, and in a position of social privilege. Since starting transition, I've been fired from two jobs due to being trans, and am currently unemployed, scraping the bottom of the barrel for crap jobs despite being a college graduate, still feeling like my potential is going unfulfilled, with my potential for a love life seriously hindered, and now living in a position where I constantly have to worry about the potential for social oppression.

Again, don't know if any of the experiences are mutual, but I definitely feel a bit different from a lot of the trans women at my local support group who are all about dresses and makeup while I'm more about jeans and t-shirts, and my life certainly hasn't been all sunshine and roses since going full-time.

got fired from 2 jobs..it's so irritating?
can you elaborate? It's so unfair....your capabilities remain the same ..what is their problem?
but I could bet  you have no regret.
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Keira

Carrie I can definitely relate to you. I'm also bigender...so that's a big part of why I can't relate to most trans women. Albeit pre transition I wasn't very privileged at all, I was a complete outcast from both genders and worked retail.

My experience of being trans is mostly centered around pretending to be macho as a teenager (knowing the entire time that I was doing mean things I didn't want to), not fitting in AT ALL, subconsciously being attracted to girls because some part of me knew I was one/being massively depressed, and while every guy was enjoying puberty I was sitting there thinking "What the **** is this crap?".
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jussmoi4nao

I identify with that a lot. Even though im fulltime and on HRT, sometimes I identify more with gay males for whatever reason but it's become increasingly obvious I don't fit in in that community anymore, everytime I try I fail unless I'm not being myself. Even my local suppirt group is a constant reminder of that. In gay circles I feel very much like a pre T FtM or not even. The gay community has some distinct types of femmphobia. I actually st joined a gay dating site for a laugh to see how id pass if i made myself look boyish, and only pervy old men, bi guys, and gays asking if I was a girl or an FtM messaged me lol

Then I don't fit in at aall with 99% of transwomen. Most  that i meet are in very different places in terms of views, identity, priorities etc. But then turf are a few I identify with an uncanny amount, but as a community as a whole, not at all.

Id say androgyny is a bit easier cuz its more open, but still. I don't really belong most places. That's why I'm very individualistic. I guess whatever I am, I'm juyst me.
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meganB

I always think I don't fit in groups. But a friend of mine said "what are you talking about, everybody loves you presence, me to". For me it's still some mumbo jumbo and I don't feel I fit.

It's quite funny, I also don't fit in with other MtF's at all (execpt this young very girly MtF and two other not feminine MtF's). The others are all so busy with feminine things and that's just not who I am.
I have more fun and fit more in with FtM's than with the MtF's (though I'm definitely MtF and feel 95% woman?). I was also taken for a FtM at the first meeting I went xD.

In my mind I also feel more androgyne than feminine or masculine (though my friends clearly stated that i'm feminine, cis and trans*, but I just can't see myself totally as feminine).


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suzifrommd

Quote from: Skyla Blue on April 15, 2014, 04:57:44 PM
Can anyone else relate?

Oh yes.

I don't have much in common with most trans women. I never felt the urge to cross dress, never felt like a woman inside, never had body dysphoria, and was never especially unhappy about my life. I'd read and watch stories about trans women and not relate to them at all.

For a long time I wasn't sure I really was trans. It wasn't until I started going out as a woman and felt how natural it was compared to how I used to be that I was able to see myself as trans.
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