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Started by Hikari, April 20, 2014, 08:06:23 AM

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Hikari

I have been back playing it pretty regularly, I have my own corporation in an RP oriented alliance. I do everything PVE, PVP, industry, trade, exploration.....I don't think there is any other game with the sort of depth that this game has when you really get into it. Not to mention, that since I RP on the side of one of the pirate factions I get a serious kick out of being the "bad" person in the room.

If anyone plays, and needs an LGBT friendly corp let me know, we keep our taxes at 0.1% the vast majority of players in my corp know I am transgender, so they have no problem with that (and if they did I would swiftly give them the boot :P). The game is hard enough without having to worry if you corp cares about being TG or not, and since lots of stuff really needs a Microphone to go well, and not everyone has a passable voice, you generally have to out yourself or never talk in voice comms which limits lots of what you can do. I am trying to create a safe place where we have players that understand that Trans players will want to be referred too by their proper gender, even if their voice doesn't exactly pass.

Also, how could turn down gaining some Sansha's Nation LP? :P
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Dee Marshall

They try so hard to make that game realistic. The problem is that there's no way to control stupid, childish behavior that would never fly in the real world. You're a pirate, you find an expensive , loaded freighter. Do you shake them down? No. You blow them up, get nothing, then blow up the crew's lifepod just to grief. The economics don't really work either. Everything costs more to manufacture than you can sell it for.

I liked the game, a lot, but after the second time I got an expensive ship and my lifepod got shot out from under me I gave it up.
April 22, 2015, the day of my first face to face pass in gender neutral clothes and no makeup. It may be months to the next one, but I'm good with that!

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LWhite

Belligerent Undesirable, Professional Ninja Looter and High Security Wardeccer here.

I make a habit of informing recruiters that I'm trans ahead of time, because in-game I do tend to type without thinking and flirt and generally make an ass of myself. That's sort of par for the course for a BU, Ganker and miscreant though methinks.

Hikari, its good to hear you managed to find a welcoming group. Most people have been extremely respectful of my situation, especially in the ganking/"griefing" community, with only two major exceptions.
One was an extended situation in the Amarr Militia wherein someone decided to constantly make a point of calling me a fake girl. I just played it off. However, more recently I was trying to infiltrate a carebear corp for awoxing and the recruiter not only told me they were uncomfortable with it, I was permanently banned from their public channel.
I mean, I -was- there to steal their stuff and destroy their ships, but if they insulted me as an awoxer i'd be fine (though they weren't aware that I was an awoxer, so), instead of just being trans. So now they're on the wardec list.

Quote from: Dee Marshall on April 20, 2014, 10:04:13 AM
They try so hard to make that game realistic. The problem is that there's no way to control stupid, childish behavior that would never fly in the real world. You're a pirate, you find an expensive , loaded freighter. Do you shake them down? No. You blow them up, get nothing, then blow up the crew's lifepod just to grief. The economics don't really work either. Everything costs more to manufacture than you can sell it for.

I liked the game, a lot, but after the second time I got an expensive ship and my lifepod got shot out from under me I gave it up.

It's a game about internet space submarines. As a member of the community of griefers you describe, I take umbrage to what you say. Generally speaking, shakedowns don't work in high security space because of CONCORD response times. I would have less than 25 seconds (average concord response time in .5 space) to warp scramble and shake down ransom before my ship was destroyed. And who the hell is going to pay that, knowing that in 25 seconds, no matter what the pilot is flying, they are going to be annihilated. So, freighter ganks are typically seen as more akin to the smash-and-grab of 3rd world countries. Sideswipe the armored car with a truck and grab the loot with a getaway driver (neutral industrial). In low-security this changes to more traditional piracy, which is making a happy little resurgence, despite all the effort being made to remain uncivilized (I'm looking at you, Tuskers. >:c ).

What you're looking for when it comes to shakedowns is more my field of interest - war declaration. Its legal, costs 50m+ per week, and we drop the dec when the ransom is paid. During this time we ransom whatever targets we take.
The other shakedown system involves getting the target to engage us, through suspect baiting. This is another one of my primary pastimes.

Content Creation is a joy, and the game would be worse off without it. Psychotic Monk for CSM 9.

As for industry, I have no idea what you're talking about. Even as a miscreant I know how the market works. A Thorax at market value is worth 11mil, and manufacturing costs sit at about 9.5mil on the low end, 10mil if your blueprint is moderately unresearched.
The only places where manufacturing becomes easily unprofitable is:
- T1 modules. Metas are just cheaper to acquire and can therefore be sold for less. These are great if you want to manufacture doctrine ships and sell the already-fit on contracts, but little else. Better to use module blueprints to invent into t2.
- Unresearched blueprints. These will make your creation slower, and waste so many minerals its not funny.

Please note all industry information is pre-revamp, which is coming in fairly soon.

Point is, I disagree with you on all notes, Dee. :) If you ever try again, come see us Belligerent Undesirables, we're not such a bad bunch. We just enjoy doing bad things.
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Frigg

I've got the itch to try Eve again. I've actually been looking into game play parts of it instead of just reading anecdotes from players. I have some questions.

~I know it is near impossible to earn enough to get a PLEX on the trial but how soon could you theoretically do so? I think I'd be looking to mining for my source of income. It looks like you have limited access to decent tools during the trial so my question is mostly about after trial.

~As for mining, how much input does it require? Could I mine while reading a book or doing other various things around the house? After a certain amount of time with no user input do you stop doing what you are doing in game or log out?
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Hikari

Quote from: Frigg on June 03, 2014, 08:46:34 AM
I've got the itch to try Eve again. I've actually been looking into game play parts of it instead of just reading anecdotes from players. I have some questions.

~I know it is near impossible to earn enough to get a PLEX on the trial but how soon could you theoretically do so? I think I'd be looking to mining for my source of income. It looks like you have limited access to decent tools during the trial so my question is mostly about after trial.

~As for mining, how much input does it require? Could I mine while reading a book or doing other various things around the house? After a certain amount of time with no user input do you stop doing what you are doing in game or log out?

Well, it might be possible sure, but I think it would be very difficult to do so with mining. I would think Factional warfare would let you earn that much in that period of time, but I don't know if you can join it on the trial account.

Mining is something you can do semiAFK in highsec, but it isn't without risk there, a well fit procurer is fairly safe but you will have to interact with the ship pretty often as your ore hold will fill quickly. A Retriver is much better for interaction in that it has a much larger ore hold, but those things are so easy to gank with a basically throw away destroyer it makes them prime targets in highsec.

As far as income goes, I have my actual corp which does PVP, PVE, and industry. I also have an alt corp that is in factional warfare and we just farm the facwar complexes for LP. I will set out a frigate to orbit the beacon, and the timer is like 30 minutes during that 30 minutes if another player comes in to kill me, I can either warp away or if it isn't something that bad, I can use my main character to come in and kill them :P

I actually know 6 other transplayers now, interestingly enough the RP community has quite a few despite being very small versus the population of Eve in general. If you hang out in the channel "OOC" (which is the Out of Character companion channel to "The Summit") you will note several trans players hang out in there and do from time to time talk about trans things (but mostly talk about internet spaceships, RP, and Alcohol). I Started the Channel "New Eden LGBT" as a place where LGBT people could gather, but I just started it so not sure how many people are actually there.

@LWhite:
I hope it wasn't any of my allies in the Amarr milita! I have two alliances I am blue to in there. I am actually the CEO of my corp and 3 of my corpies are roommates and 1 of them is a former roommate so they basically have no choice but to get along with me :P  The Alliance itself doesn't really know about my trans status, but I don't think they would have an issue with it, not that I hide it, just rarely seems to come up, so some of them know but most don't.

How are highsec wardecs these days? I gave them up due to Neutral RR being such an issue or even in corp since they could still dock. I know they fixed that, as I just lost a Thanatos to Pandemic Legion due to repping on a station in lowsec :( But, that makes me wonder how things are these days there. When I am in highsec it is usually to PVE my sec status back up (I try not to let it fall below -1.9 but I am bad too often).
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Corvid1692

I play, or at least maintain a skill queue when I'm bored with the game. From the description, I would tend to guess you're in Provibloc? Either way, your group sounds like a lot of fun. I'm skilled enough to fly armor logi and am finishing up all the cruisers so I can shield logi as well.
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Hikari

Hehe we are basically the opposite of provibloc since we RP pro Sansha. Though I suppose you could call Amarr sorta villains as well I prefer to unambigiously a villain.
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Bellatrix

Holy thread resurrection Batman!

I didn't wanna start a new topic because, well, I didn't. But I have just created my first character in ever and OMG its the most confusing game in the world. Decided to do mining in between the first agent missions while i try to get my bearings. Anyway, I have no idea how to add people of find a corp etc so any tips for a total n00b would be welcome.
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Hikari

Quote from: Bellatrix on October 30, 2014, 03:42:58 AM
Holy thread resurrection Batman!

I didn't wanna start a new topic because, well, I didn't. But I have just created my first character in ever and OMG its the most confusing game in the world. Decided to do mining in between the first agent missions while i try to get my bearings. Anyway, I have no idea how to add people of find a corp etc so any tips for a total n00b would be welcome.

Ah, since this thread was originally started, I moved to a corp that was much more PVP oriented still in lowsec in the factional warfare area. There are at least 2 other transwomen in a corp that only has 69 characters, which I find to be much more common that I see in other games. Also apparently there is a women's only channel, I had to do a skype interview to get into that, which makes me wonder what the instances were that required such security.

So, there are lots of things you can do in Eve, and they generally have different paths to really learn. There is a recruitment channel which has lots of corps looking for members, some of them are going to have skill requirements others will accept basically anyone. Eve University is always a good choice for people learning and trying to find their path in Eve Online. I never joined them, but I know quite a few who have and they even do a reasonable amount of PVP which tends to be not only the most popular activity among players, but also the one with the highest learning curve since there are a great many roles that one can have in PVP.

You will find that PVE in highsec becomes very easy at a certain point, aside from incursions (which I know very little about) and Wormholes (which have better AI but reallly other players are the real threat). Mining isn't super profitable, but reasonably safe in highsec, and kinda fun to do in low and nullsec since everyone there will be trying to kill you, it becomes more of a game of not dying. Industry is fun if you like looking at spreadsheets and doing math, ditto for trading. Scamming can make isk from players who haven't had all their trust and naivety sucked out of them by the game.

The Chat Channel "help my mission" will become very helpful if you PVE too!
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