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Started by Crackpot, May 02, 2014, 09:26:12 AM

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Crackpot

So far the hardest part of my wife's transition has been not fighting with ignorant people. I can't even tell you the level of frustration I have reached over this. Even people that have shown excitement for her, and welcomed her new name (in our presence) have shown their true feelings in the least delicate ways.

For months we have been excited about the upcoming birth of our first niece. My brother-in-law's fiancée is expecting and we have been over the moon for them. I've been knitting a baby blanket for months, we've bought gifts off the shower registry. The fiancée told us both about the baby shower and that Hayley would be invited so to expect the invite in the mail. When the invite came, my name was alone. I sent her a message on facebook since I don't have her number asking about it. I wasn't sure if maybe the hostess of the shower made a mistake. H gets a phone call the next day from my mother-in-law explaining that the fiancée wasn't comfortable with her being there and that she had asked her to speak to her instead of doing it directly. During the conversation, even though my mother in law has been getting good at using correct name/pronouns, she was continuously having to correct herself when referencing the conversation she had with the fiancée. It just shows that even if she is saying the right things to us, she doesn't when we aren't around. Anyway, H sent the fiancée a message telling her she understood and left it at that. She was hurt but she understood. Today we wake up and find out that she has blocked us both on facebook.

After trying to talk H down from being upset.... it's all I can do to keep myself calm. I'm angry at the fiancée. I'm angry that she's being so fake to us, and if she's not being fake than I'm angry she's allowing her conservative family to influence her. I'm angry she won't talk to either of us directly. I'm angry that this may be the first step to H not being allowed to participate or even attend the wedding. I'm angry that my mother-in-law, who has jumped on my back for years for anything that she perceives as an insult to anyone in her family, is allowing someone to so blatantly disrespect her child. I'm also angry that despite what she says to us, that she still just seeing a boy in make up, when she looks at H.

I'm inviting my mother in law out to lunch this weekend to try to talk to her. If for no other reason that to tell her I won't be attending the shower either. My presence wouldn't make it any less uncomfortable for anyone. Not that I would make a scene, but I'm certainly not going to lie when I meet the fiancée's family and they ask who I am. The spiteful part of me also wants to return all the ->-bleeped-<- we've bought, but I am conflicted with the "be the bigger person" moral. On the other hand, it feels like why participate in a family we're not welcome in.

Sorry for ranting, just needed to get it off my chest.
"I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." Kurt Cobain
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mrs izzy

It is goooood to rant.

I had my name changed in 2005, most of my family say Izzy but still slip up with he.  >:(

After sometime you just need to let it roll off your backs. At least they are still there for us the best they can.

Hugs
Izzy
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blueconstancy

Ouch. I'm so sorry. That had to sting, for both of you. Sounds like you're well rid of her, too.

Honestly? The point of a shower is to *bring* gifts; by even the strictest etiquette, someone who isn't invited or does not attend does NOT need to send a gift. Since she explicitly blocked you (WTF?), you can even justifiably point out that you thought she'd be uncomfortable receiving a reminder from someone she'd chosen to cut out of her life.

I really, really hope your MIL has an explanation for not defending her own daughter.
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Shana-chan

Quote from: Crackpot on May 02, 2014, 09:26:12 AM
So far the hardest part of my wife's transition has been not fighting with ignorant people. I can't even tell you the level of frustration I have reached over this. Even people that have shown excitement for her, and welcomed her new name (in our presence) have shown their true feelings in the least delicate ways.
Can you clarify a little better? It sounds like your wife has been arguing with people who showed "signs" of accepting her yet later showed they didn't and as a result you're upset with your wife for that?  ???

Quote from: Crackpot on May 02, 2014, 09:26:12 AMI'm inviting my mother in law out to lunch this weekend to try to talk to her. If for no other reason that to tell her I won't be attending the shower either. My presence wouldn't make it any less uncomfortable for anyone. Not that I would make a scene, but I'm certainly not going to lie when I meet the fiancée's family and they ask who I am. The spiteful part of me also wants to return all the ->-bleeped-<- we've bought, but I am conflicted with the "be the bigger person" moral. On the other hand, it feels like why participate in a family we're not welcome in.
Hey, if I were you I'd also ask her why she didn't defend her daughter, especially when she's always defended anyone who insulted her family beforehand. Maybe even tell her how you and her daughter are feeling and how upset/hurt you both are over this mess. As for the gifts, RETURN THEM! *Says that with a serious face* If neither of you are going then there's no reason to give them a gift of this kind. They didn't want your wife around even though they originally said she could come and WOULD be invited and as you said probably aren't comfortable with you around so why give them a gift when they clearly don't deserve it? It's not wrong to do this for this situation. The bolded sentence adds further to what I mean plus, I feel the exact same way. If people can't embrace, love, accept and treat me the way I wish to be treated then, I'll simply not bother them. It was their choice to shun me, not mine even if I feel at times it was my own choice. I do hope all can be resolved with your family and maybe the misgendering was an honest mistake? I don't know but best of luck with all of this.

I do have a question to ask you though. Let's say a best case scenario happens here and they change their minds while either A) DOing so & saying they're sorry or B) Just changing their minds with no sorry. Would you and your wife go then?
"Denial will get people no where."
"Don't look to the here & now but rather, to the unknown future & hope on that vs. the here & now."
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Crackpot

Quote from: Shana-chan on May 02, 2014, 12:42:06 PM
Can you clarify a little better? It sounds like your wife has been arguing with people who showed "signs" of accepting her yet later showed they didn't and as a result you're upset with your wife for that?  ???

No I'm not mad or upset at my wife at all. I'm upset at people who claim they are supportive then do or say things that are negate that entirely. In this case, I don't see how the fiancée can say she's happy and 100% supportive of my wife, then try to hide her existence from her family. As for my mother in law, we're getting lunch this weekend so I'll have a chance to talk to her about things then. With my track record with her, I'm going to offend her somehow, but at the same time, things need to be discussed.

I honestly don't know how I'd feel about going in that instance. It would depend on the circumstances, but honestly without an apology I don't think so. The thing is, I would rather have an apology and explanation over an invitation to a party.

I'm still deciding about the gifts. Realistically I know that you guys are right, but I love giving gifts so it's soooo hard for me to NOT give them something. I've sent gifts for old friends who had weddings I was never invited to. I think I'm gonna let my wife handle that decision... I'm no use there!
"I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." Kurt Cobain
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Shana-chan

Quote from: Crackpot on May 02, 2014, 04:17:47 PM
No I'm not mad or upset at my wife at all. I'm upset at people who claim they are supportive then do or say things that are negate that entirely. In this case, I don't see how the fiancée can say she's happy and 100% supportive of my wife, then try to hide her existence from her family. As for my mother in law, we're getting lunch this weekend so I'll have a chance to talk to her about things then. With my track record with her, I'm going to offend her somehow, but at the same time, things need to be discussed.

I honestly don't know how I'd feel about going in that instance. It would depend on the circumstances, but honestly without an apology I don't think so. The thing is, I would rather have an apology and explanation over an invitation to a party.

I'm still deciding about the gifts. Realistically I know that you guys are right, but I love giving gifts so it's soooo hard for me to NOT give them something. I've sent gifts for old friends who had weddings I was never invited to. I think I'm gonna let my wife handle that decision... I'm no use there!
Oh I see now, I reread what you wrote and now it makes better sense to me. lol Well, one way of looking at it is, she is happy, is supportive (to a certain extent given the circumstances) but because this event involves many people, and as you know everyone has an opinion, some of the guests who're coming might not of been comfortable with it where as she is and to make her do what she did, some of them or many/most might have said they won't come if this person shows. But, that's only a guess and you can imagine how badly the event would be ruined if people didn't show up. It'd also make you and your wife feel bad knowing it was because of who your wife is. That's something she can't help and neither of you are to blame for what other people, think, say and do. My point in saying this possibility is because, perhaps you shouldn't be too mad at her for doing what she did. She might have been forced into a corner and forced to make a decision she didn't want to make let alone act on. Well, no time like now going over in your head what you can say/should bring up with her and how to word it as nicely as possible right?

Can't blame you, it'd be the same for me but even if it happens, including the apology, I wouldn't expect an explanation and sometimes, some things are better off not known. lol

Ok, look at it this way. If you send the gifts it is basically telling them that what they did was ok and they can do it again. Same with if you showed up. I know that's not what you want them to think however, it is both yours and your wife's decision to make and on the other hand, one thing they "might" take away from you both still sending the gifts is that you still love and accept them. If you do send them, maybe write the reason for doing so and let it be known to them you didn't appreciate what they did to you both. (As kindly as possible of course)

Anyway, best of luck on the chat with your mother in law.
"Denial will get people no where."
"Don't look to the here & now but rather, to the unknown future & hope on that vs. the here & now."
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Shodan

Nothing to say here other than it's awsome to see how supportive you are and, well, your avatar is the best. :D




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Rainbow Brite

I understand your pain. I have vowed to never set foot in my Brother-in-law's house because I am tired of getting nastygrams through Facebook about how I did this or that that HE felt slighted by my attire or my answering question his wife, (my wife's Sister) had asked me. This was the last one I got.

Your dress was flat out feminine at times. Because of the holiday I chose to let it slide but please be more conservative in your dress next time. I understand most of your clothes are feminine but it seemed you were intentionally are femming it up with makeup, and it is not appreciated.
I'm not writing to threaten you, but I am frustrated. I let the dress issues slide but I just found out you talked to Hope because you knew what my response would be.
I am commanded to forgive 7x70 so you are forgiven for this. However, you should be well warned that this is disrespectful. Do not mistake my tolerance of your condition for acceptance of your immoral actions. I will not stand for it in my house! This is a house that serves the Lord and you will not press your beliefs or illnesses to anyone in this house.
I know you you have always been one to push your opinions unless blatantly told not to do so. I am asking you to keep all talk and action regarding your condition to yourself, while at my house.
Now we can put this behind us, I'd prefer Hope be able to have a relationship with her sister, let us not have a urinating contest; for I do not sit down to pee.
I beg you; do not test my faith and patients, I do at times struggle to let the light of Jesus shine. I don't want to fail at that and I do not want you to be the reason or standing in the aftermath that is my temper.


Even when I was homeless this last January, I refused to stay at his house. He strongly urged me to come with him. But I would not go. Last weekend, I made the 2hr trip to drop off my wife and children at her sister's and drove back home. I chatted with her sister, but I never left the car. She has less of an issue with me than he makes out. She misses me being there too. She understands why I don't stay though.

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Shana-chan

@Rainbow Brite: Loved your show as a child. :) Anyway, sorry you're going through that. :( I myself have to go through a very similar thing with my Dad. (Thankfully I don't live with him) I also recognized the 7x70 reference so right away knew why he was talking that way. (Knew it even before then because of how my Dad is lol) I can't blame you for not wanting to stay with him and I hope things get better for you if they haven't already. Oh and, good job on being true to yourself, especially given the circumstances.
"Denial will get people no where."
"Don't look to the here & now but rather, to the unknown future & hope on that vs. the here & now."
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Nero

Quote from: Rainbow Brite on May 02, 2014, 07:36:09 PM
Now we can put this behind us, I'd prefer Hope be able to have a relationship with her sister, let us not have a urinating contest; for I do not sit down to pee.

Omigod! That he would even go there...

QuoteI beg you; do not test my faith and patients, I do at times struggle to let the light of Jesus shine. I don't want to fail at that and I do not want you to be the reason or standing in the aftermath that is my temper.

This sounds like a threat.

Sorry you're dealing with this. He clearly has issues.
Nero was the Forum Admin here at Susan's Place for several years up to the time of his death.
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Crackpot

Rainbow Brite, I really feel for you. I have no words. Just reading that letter made my heart ache.
"I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." Kurt Cobain
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Jill F

Quote from: Crackpot on May 03, 2014, 02:30:10 PM
Rainbow Brite, I really feel for you. I have no words. Just reading that letter made my heart ache.

Me too.  I'm so sorry you had to be subjected to that.  What a self-righteous douchebag.  I sincerely hope he gets a karmic reward for that.
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