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Feeling really depressed lately...

Started by Miyuki, August 07, 2014, 01:19:43 AM

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Miyuki

    You know it's funny, this is supposed to be a support forum or something like that, but I'm always really reluctant to post about myself here. I've always been the kind of person that holds everything inside until they are about to burst open at the seams. I'm not sure if I'm ready to burst quite yet, but lately...

    In theory, I guess I should be happy about things. I'm not living what you'd call an ideal life, but I have a safe comfortable place to live, and things have been going reasonably well for me lately. I've been on full dose hormones for about 8 months, and while the results haven't been everything I'd hoped for, I am starting to look somewhat passable. My voice sounds pretty good lately (http://vocaroo.com/i/s0Co2oXsas52), though it gets less good as I use it more because it gets tired. My facial hair is down to the point where only light and fine hairs are left after only four sessions of laser. I'm also moving forward toward a referral for an orchiectomy, which will be a huge mental relief for me (though it's taking longer than I would have liked; the current time frame for surgery is looking like it might be around Decemberish). All things considered, things are... not horrible... I guess.

    And yet, I have been feeling incredibly depressed lately. So much so that I've actually started to take antidepressants again. It didn't hit me all at once, but it has been slowly building up over the summer, and things have gotten to the point where I've started to feel overwhelmed by it. So what exactly has been going on? Well, that's a long story...

    I have mentioned in the past that I suffer from non-24 hour sleep wake disorder. It's a condition that normally only affects blind people, and yet somehow I have it. People with sight are known to be affected, but it's extremely rare. Also, I had an extremely bad case of scoliosis growing up (the worst case my surgeon had ever seen). So with being transgender and all, I have pretty definitively proven lighting can strike in the same place at least three times. Anyway, the scoliosis I can live with, and being transgender is something I am coming to terms with, but the sleep disorder is a bigger problem. You might not think that not being awake at the same time as everyone else would be such a huge problem, but it really is. Since the beginning of this year, I have been trying to figure out a way to earn money, and trying to build more social connections, and I have had very little success at either one. It also doesn't help that I have a chronic fear of driving, and my family only has one car the I can drive, which is often in use by my brother. Right now it wouldn't even be practical for me to get a job unless it paid at least enough for me to afford my own car. Also, I would lose my medical assistance, which I sort of need until after I get my orchiectomy.

    So that leaves me with a lot of free time. Time that I mostly spend, sitting in my room, alone. Time to sit and think and dwell about how horrible it is to be alone all the time, how disgusted I am by various aspects of my body, how pitiful and pathetic it is that I've wasted so much of my life and I'm continuing to waste it. I've been upset a lot with my parents too, because a few weeks ago I decided I was going to be using the name Allison from now on, but when I finally asked them to start referring to me by my female name and use female gender pronouns, they completely refused. So not only do I have to sit alone, I have to sit alone surrounded by people who have no respect for my feelings and view what I'm going through as some sort of mental illness. I used to at least be able to talk to my brother about these things, but lately even he has been really distant with me. And I think the reason is because he just can't stand to watch me suffer alone anymore. Between the horrible relationship he has with my mom, and watching my dad slowly slide into dementia, and watching me siting alone with no hope of changing things any time in the immediate future, being around this family isn't good for his mental health. Since he got his driver's license, he hardly even spends any time at home anymore.

    Oh, and speaking of suffering alone, my dysphoria has actually been really bad lately. Partially it's because I have so much time to dwell on it, but I'm really starting to feel like it's critical for my mental health to start dealing with a few things. Body hair is still a huge problem for me, although it has gotten much more fine and less noticeable, it's just one of those things where I will never be happy until it's fixed. The hair on my arms and hands especially bother me, because I get a ton of ingrown hairs that make my arms look incredibly ugly even if I religiously epilate them. I can live with the rest of it for as long as it takes, but the hair on my hands and arms especially is starting to become something I obsess over. So much so, I have spent hours just plucking away at the hair with tweezers like it was some form of OCD, even though I have an epilator I could use any time if I wanted to. But of course, doing anything about that requires money, which is not something I'm going to be able to have any time soon.

    I've actually been going into debt to pay for things involved in transition. The hormones themselves and therapy are covered by medical assistance. I've also been paying for laser hair removal, minoxidil, clothes (not that many unfortunately :(), and all sorts of other miscellaneous costs out of pocket for a while now. The only way I've been able to do this, is to borrow money against my life insurance policy. I've already spent about $3,500, and I have about $8,500 left to spend before defaulting on the policy becomes inevitable. When this money runs out, I'm not really sure what I'm going to do. And my parents have shown a complete lack of concern over this. Their only solution has been that I go back to school, which considering my sleep issues are the main reason I can't find a job, doesn't really help me. And it especially doesn't help me if I'm going to need money any time in the next three years it would take to earn a degree. Did I mention that even though my parents are fully aware of the degree of debt I'm in, my mom decided to buy a new $4,200 rug for the living room recently? She is literally shoving in my face the fact that she has the money to help me and chooses not to. But I know very well what her position is. She thinks if I just quit taking hormones and went back to "normal" that everything would be fine and that I would get over this whole crazy transgender thing without doing any more "damage" to myself.

    There is however, a small gleam of hope on the horizon. There is a new medication that should be coming out soon. From what I have read, there is a very real chance this medication could be effective enough at treating my sleep disorder that it would allow me to live a normal life. If this were the case, it would change everything. I could finally get a job, start digging myself out of the financial hole I'm in, start doing more things to deal with my crippling dysphoria issues, maybe even go back to school sometime in the not to distant future and try to do something meaningful with my life. More importantly, I wouldn't have to be alone all the time... But, I'm not going to get my hopes up too high just. I've been fooled too many times by things that seemed like they would be a solution to all my problems, only to find out they were little more than false hope.

    So for now, I will just continue to sit alone, nothing to do, nowhere to go, no one to talk to, until something changes. But lately, I'm starting to scare myself a little. I've started to realize that there is really a limit to how long I can keep this up. It's not that I really want to die or kill myself or anything like that, but a person can only keep up living a meaningless life for so long before they start to wonder what the point is. I'm really trying to change things, but if this is the best I can do, there is going to be a point some time in the future where it's not going to be good enough. And it seems like all I can do is wait and hope that something will come along and save me before that becomes the case...



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Miyuki

...wow, is it really so bad no one even knows what to say? -_- I mean, I'm not dead yet, and I certainly haven't given up, but I'm just so tired of being alone all the time and having everything I try to do to change things end in failure. I've basically been a shut-in for nearly 10 years now, and even though it used to be by choice, it's not anymore. I just can't figure out what I could do to actually change things, and it's really starting to wear me down. I'm running out of ideas, and running out of energy to keep trying.
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Hideyoshi

You are right, having no work and nothing to do but dwell on dysphoria is pretty horrible. Is there a hobby that you could use to occupy yourself? Try online gaming, plenty of free to play MMOs and it doesn't matter what time you log on, there will always be people on from around the world :)

I hope your new medication, if you get a hold of it, works for you.
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kelly_aus

Depression and Androcur? Stop the Androcur. Depression is a known side effect and it's bitten me more than once. And every time, I've stopped the Androcur and within a week or 2, I'm on the road back to being depression free.. Or as free as I ever get.

Stopping for a week or 3 is not likely to make your T spike either, at least not according to my medical team.. And I can't claim it happened to me.
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Hideyoshi

Quote from: kelly_aus on August 07, 2014, 07:21:17 PM
Depression and Androcur? Stop the Androcur. Depression is a known side effect and it's bitten me more than once. And every time, I've stopped the Androcur and within a week or 2, I'm on the road back to being depression free.. Or as free as I ever get.

Stopping for a week or 3 is not likely to make your T spike either, at least not according to my medical team.. And I can't claim it happened to me.

Stopping androcur seems like the last thing she'd want to do and it might have a brutally negative psychological effect. At least it would for me if I stopped AAs
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Miyuki

#5
I used to do things like that a lot, but it doesn't help anymore. The more I try to do things to get my mind off things, the more mad at myself I get that I'm not doing anything constructive that might actually help me have a life where I could do more than just try to find things to distract myself from how miserable I am. It's just not fun anymore. No matter what I do it just makes me feel worse. What I have been doing lately is spending hours watching videos on YouTube and Netflix and just trying to shut my mind down completely, but even that doesn't make me feel any better. It just keeps me from feeling any worse than I already do...

I know A can cause depression, but I don't know if it's worse than the constant paranoia I would have that my testosterone levels were rising if I stopped. . I think I'm better off just trying to keep myself together the way things are until I can finally get an orchiectomy in a few months...

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kelly_aus

Quote from: Hideyoshi on August 07, 2014, 07:24:52 PM
Stopping androcur seems like the last thing she'd want to do and it might have a brutally negative psychological effect. At least it would for me if I stopped AAs

Quote from: Miyuki on August 07, 2014, 07:25:59 PM
I know Androcur can cause depression, but I don't know if it's worse than the constant paranoia I would have that my testosterone levels were rising if I stopped. Like I said, the last time I ran out of medication, I lasted about a week before injecting myself with alcohol. I think I'm better off just trying to keep myself together the way things are until I can finally get an orchiectomy in a few months...

You assume it will cause an increase in T.. My blood work didn't show any increases, and my prescribing doctor told me that in the short term, I wouldn't see any increases. After 8 months on Androcur, it is very, very likely that her testicles have shut down - and it will take longer than a few weeks for them to 'wake up'.
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mrs izzy



Seek out the help lines or Local ER when the feeling of giving up comes over you please.
Mrs. Izzy
Trans lifeline US 877-565-8860 CAD 877-330-6366 http://www.translifeline.org/
"Those who matter will never judge, this is my given path to walk in life and you have no right to judge"

I used to be grounded but now I can fly.
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Hideyoshi

Quote from: kelly_aus on August 07, 2014, 07:31:28 PM
You assume it will cause an increase in T.. My blood work didn't show any increases, and my prescribing doctor told me that in the short term, I wouldn't see any increases. After 8 months on Androcur, it is very, very likely that her testicles have shut down - and it will take longer than a few weeks for them to 'wake up'.

Psychological, not physiological. The placebo/nocebo effect is powerful, regardless if you know that it's a placebo/nocebo effect or not.
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mrs izzy

Mrs. Izzy
Trans lifeline US 877-565-8860 CAD 877-330-6366 http://www.translifeline.org/
"Those who matter will never judge, this is my given path to walk in life and you have no right to judge"

I used to be grounded but now I can fly.
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Miyuki

Quote from: kelly_aus on August 07, 2014, 07:31:28 PM
You assume it will cause an increase in T.. My blood work didn't show any increases, and my prescribing doctor told me that in the short term, I wouldn't see any increases. After 8 months on A, it is very, very likely that her testicles have shut down - and it will take longer than a few weeks for them to 'wake up'.

I know that is probably the case, but I still don't want to take the chance. I don't want to give testosterone the opportunity to damage my body any more that it already has, even if the risk is very low. I can make it another four months, if that's what I have to do. By the way, I have been taking A for three years, not 8 months. I started taking anti-androgens a long time ago, before I really decided I wanted to transition. But until about 8 months ago, I was taking a pretty low dose of estrogen, just enough to keep my levels in the normal male range.

Quote from: mrs izzy on August 07, 2014, 07:31:39 PM
Seek out the help lines or Local ER when the feeling of giving up comes over you please.

I already said, I don't want to kill myself. I'm not out of options yet, I'm not homeless and living on the street, and there are things in the future I can look forward to that could change my life for the better. I'm just scared that if I run out of options, and I reach the point where I have nothing to look forward to but a life of doing whatever I can to distract myself, that I might not feel that way anymore.

Quote from: mrs izzy on August 07, 2014, 07:43:41 PM
Again watch your post

Wait, is saying what medication you take again the rules now? I thought it was just the dosage that you weren't allowed to say.
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kelly_aus

I wasn't overjoyed at the idea of stopping it, but 10 days later when I no longer wanted to throw myself under a bus, it was all worthwhile.. And, frankly, it you can't cope for 10-14 days, 21 days at the outside, there's a much bigger issue.

Miyuki asked for a solution, and based on the facts she gave and my experiences, along with those of my medical team, I gave her the most appropriate option. Continuing to take something that is well known for causing depression while you are obviously in distress seems like a fools choice to me.

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Brenda E

Quote from: Miyuki on August 07, 2014, 01:19:43 AMSo that leaves me with a lot of free time. Time that I mostly spend, sitting in my room, alone. Time to sit and think and dwell about how horrible it is to be alone all the time, how disgusted I am by various aspects of my body, how pitiful and pathetic it is that I've wasted so much of my life and I'm continuing to waste it.

That alone time can be depressing.  I know I make very bad company for myself...

Here's what I suggest.  You can't work right now?  Volunteer somewhere.  Find a homeless shelter or free medical clinic in your area, somewhere that is likely to see many a trans person down on their luck, and give them whatever hours you can.  Not only will that put your life into perspective, but it'll give you connections for references, valuable experience, it'll stop you sitting alone thinking negative thoughts, and you might enjoy it too.

The key is to find something - anything - that'll get you out of the house and on the right track.  Think of all that free time as a blessing, not a curse.  Put it to good use rather than wasting it doing nothing.

Me?  I'd spend two hours a day running if I could.  Not just a healthy way to spend time and get some sunlight, but it's also a very effective antidepressant.
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mrs izzy

Quote from: Brenda E on August 07, 2014, 07:54:10 PM
That alone time can be depressing.  I know I make very bad company for myself...

Here's what I suggest.  You can't work right now?  Volunteer somewhere.  Find a homeless shelter or free medical clinic in your area, somewhere that is likely to see many a trans person down on their luck, and give them whatever hours you can.  Not only will that put your life into perspective, but it'll give you connections for references, valuable experience, it'll stop you sitting alone thinking negative thoughts, and you might enjoy it too.

The key is to find something - anything - that'll get you out of the house and on the right track.  Think of all that free time as a blessing, not a curse.  Put it to good use rather than wasting it doing nothing.

Me?  I'd spend two hours a day running if I could.  Not just a healthy way to spend time and get some sunlight, but it's also a very effective antidepressant.

Very well said.

Depression and loneliness goes hand in had.

As anything with depression you need to break the cycle.

It is hard but needs to be done

Mrs. Izzy
Trans lifeline US 877-565-8860 CAD 877-330-6366 http://www.translifeline.org/
"Those who matter will never judge, this is my given path to walk in life and you have no right to judge"

I used to be grounded but now I can fly.
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Miyuki

Quote from: kelly_aus on August 07, 2014, 07:51:03 PM
I wasn't overjoyed at the idea of stopping it, but 10 days later when I no longer wanted to throw myself under a bus, it was all worthwhile.. And, frankly, it you can't cope for 10-14 days, 21 days at the outside, there's a much bigger issue.

Miyuki asked for a solution, and based on the facts she gave and my experiences, along with those of my medical team, I gave her the most appropriate option. Continuing to take something that is well known for causing depression while you are obviously in distress seems like a fools choice to me.

...you may be right, but I have been taking the same medication at the same dose for years now and I never had these kinds of issues before. Sometimes when you are depressed, it's because you actually should be depressed, because you actually have a reason to be. I don't think I'm depressed because of anything other than my circumstances, and the stress I would be putting myself under by stopping my medication has just as much chance of making things worse as it does making things better. I just think it's better to wait things out for another 4 months than to try and change something that has worked for me for three years.

Quote from: Brenda E on August 07, 2014, 07:54:10 PM
The key is to find something - anything - that'll get you out of the house and on the right track.  Think of all that free time as a blessing, not a curse.  Put it to good use rather than wasting it doing nothing.

There is actually something that I'm working on, but it is sort of a long shot. I would rather not discuss it publicly though, for the sake of maintaining my privacy. And I've been having a lot of trouble finding the energy to work on it. It's one of those all or nothing things, where it either works out and has the potential to change my life for the better, or it flops and I have wasted countless hours and yet another failed attempt to turn my life around. So the fear of failure really isn't helping me to stay focused...
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mrs izzy

Just never put all your eggs in one basket.

There has to be some LGBTG center or support group in your area.

Sometimes the local collages offer support for there students that has open drop in nights.

And yes i would maybe see about switching to a better A blocker.

Hugs
Mrs. Izzy
Trans lifeline US 877-565-8860 CAD 877-330-6366 http://www.translifeline.org/
"Those who matter will never judge, this is my given path to walk in life and you have no right to judge"

I used to be grounded but now I can fly.
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stephaniec

I'm a little confused about whether or not your in therapy
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Miyuki

I am but... I don't think these are the kinds of problems that can be solved just by talking about them. As long as I am stuck living with people I increasingly can't stand being around, and slowly running out of money, and continuing to deal with a condition that is making it impossible to have a normal life, and spending most of my time alone and suffering from dysphoria caused by things I don't have the power to change, I don't see how I can ever really feel happy.
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stephaniec

Quote from: Miyuki on August 07, 2014, 09:24:15 PM
I am but... I don't think these are the kinds of problems that can be solved just by talking about them. As long as I am stuck living with people I increasingly can't stand being around, and slowly running out of money, and continuing to deal with a condition that is making it impossible to have a normal life, and spending most of my time alone and suffering from dysphoria caused by things I don't have the power to change, I don't see how I can ever really feel happy.
some one mentioned volunteering . Try a hospital or something todo with children that will definitely help with loneliness .
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Miyuki

I tried looking on volunteermatch.org, but I had trouble finding things that were close enough and had a flexible enough schedule. I can't keep the car tied up for too long, and my parents make me pay for gas when I use it. :-\ I did find one opportunity that looked interesting though. It was to help socialize cats at a somewhat nearby Petco. The hours were flexible, and the shifts only last one hour, so I thought it would be a fun thing I could to get myself out of the house for a while. Until I thought about it more and realized that with the cost of gas I am basically paying $20 that I don't have just to get out of the house for a few hours. That really doesn't seem like much of an improvement... There were some online opportunities too, but really all they amounted to was doing work for free while continuing to be alone.
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