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do you think we as trans expect too much from the cis (potential trigger)

Started by stephaniec, August 17, 2014, 09:23:37 PM

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Mark3

I can relate to this.. As someone married interracially, and also I'm CIS..
I think more people than you think are willing to date/love across gender lines.. Personally, I think trans women are exceptionally beautiful and would have no problem dating if I was single..
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Kaylee Angelia

I think it's realy important also for us as trans woman to branch out and widen our horizons. I've found that local sex positive groups, including kink communities, can be very welcoming as many of them are already dating or experimenting accross gender lines and even if they aren't they're still part of the same tribe as those that do and are very accepting and supportive.

Don't worry, you don't have to be involved anymore than you want to but you may find much more love and acceptance within these groups than in general society. I see it all the time.

Another important reason to do this is because when you feel loved and accepted it boosts your self esteem and confidence and people notice that which can improve chances for love over all regaredless of where you are in society.
"Discovering I'm Trans has been the greatest discovery of my life. Giving myself the gift of transitioning is the greatest gift I've ever given myself." - Kaylee Angelia Van De Feniks


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Jess42

Quote from: Mark3 on August 20, 2014, 09:03:29 AM
I can relate to this.. As someone married interracially, and also I'm CIS..
I think more people than you think are willing to date/love across gender lines.. Personally, I think trans women are exceptionally beautiful and would have no problem dating if I was single..
:)

Yeah, I really think you are onto something there Mark. There are a lot of cis guys out there that would love to date a transwoman and have a relationship and fall in love. Sometimes we may call them a name which to them is just as insulting as the names some cis people call us and maybe about 10 percent may be dawgs, hit it and gone. But there are some truly caring guys out there that would rather transwomen because of the femininity. How many cisfriends I have that it is a struggle between the two of them for whatever reason but usually the feeling of control and who is more "man" and the better provider. ??? I won't go into it. Believe me there are a lot of sweet, truly caring guys that just want to love a feminine, really feminine woman in a way that goes far beyond genitalia. Me being scared of the "L" word in my younger days have actually hurt a few of them. Really feel bad about it now but thinking back, I was way more than just a fetish or sex object or so on. They treated me way more like a woman and I turned out to be the "B" word because I was scared of real love. Now I would love to have a true love and a lot of regrets from my younger days.
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stephaniec

Quote from: Jess42 on August 21, 2014, 03:04:08 PM
Yeah, I really think you are onto something there Mark. There are a lot of cis guys out there that would love to date a transwoman and have a relationship and fall in love. Sometimes we may call them a name which to them is just as insulting as the names some cis people call us and maybe about 10 percent may be dawgs, hit it and gone. But there are some truly caring guys out there that would rather transwomen because of the femininity. How many cisfriends I have that it is a struggle between the two of them for whatever reason but usually the feeling of control and who is more "man" and the better provider. ??? I won't go into it. Believe me there are a lot of sweet, truly caring guys that just want to love a feminine, really feminine woman in a way that goes far beyond genitalia. Me being scared of the "L" word in my younger days have actually hurt a few of them. Really feel bad about it now but thinking back, I was way more than just a fetish or sex object or so on. They treated me way more like a woman and I turned out to be the "B" word because I was scared of real love. Now I would love to have a true love and a lot of regrets from my younger days.
the regrets of younger days , sounds familiar
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antonia

When I think about things like this I try to compare it scenarios which are somewhat comparable but where I have more of a perspective, some of the questions I would ask myself:

1. If I met a guy that had erectile dysfunction would I expect him to tell me upfront?
2. If I met a guy that was challenged it the size department when would I expect him to tell me?
3. In a gay relationship 30 years ago would you have expected to meet your partners parents and them to accept you?
4. If I had met a girl before coming out and she would have started to transition FTM would I have felt comfortable staying with her?
5. If I had met a girl before coming out and she was trans how would I have felt if she had told me at various stages in our relationship, would I have gone out with her if she told me upfront?
6. Would I have introduced an openly trans girl to my parents, would I have introduced her if she was stealth towards the world but I knew?
7. Would I have taken a guy to meet my parents?
8. Would I date a guy that would stop being interested in me if I do SRS?
9. If I had met a girl that had lubrication issues or other complications taking sex off the table would I have stayed, how about a guy with complications?

It's not easy answering all of these questions honestly but I find challenging myself with these questions makes me better understand the CIS perspective.
Not to crush anyone's hopes but it's also my understanding that most guys that are into trans girls are actually bottoms.

But there are still nice guys and girls out there that are true to themselves and do accept us fully, it does happen but perhaps not as often as we would like.
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stephaniec

I guess I'm kind of confused by my own question. I haven't tried dating since starting transition,  so I'm kind of in uncharted waters about what to expect the further things evolve. I know some one that knows I'm trans so it's a non issue, but , I also know some one that might only have suspicions, but couldn't guess as to how they would react because we just met  and I'm androgynous,  but she hasn't seen me in a dress I'm quite confused at the moment.
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antonia

Personally I would just level with her and see what the reaction is, life is too short and by asking someone up front I feel like I can get a feel for what people really think rather than them sparing my feelings.

But in the end I think everyone needs to find their own path.

Quote from: stephaniec on August 21, 2014, 07:12:00 PM
I guess I'm kind of confused by my own question. I haven't tried dating since starting transition,  so I'm kind of in uncharted waters about what to expect the further things evolve. I know some one that knows I'm trans so it's a non issue, but , I also know some one that might only have suspicions, but couldn't guess as to how they would react because we just met  and I'm androgynous,  but she hasn't seen me in a dress I'm quite confused at the moment.
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stephaniec

Quote from: antonia on August 21, 2014, 07:24:15 PM
Personally I would just level with her and see what the reaction is, life is too short and by asking someone up front I feel like I can get a feel for what people really think rather than them sparing my feelings.

But in the end I think everyone needs to find their own path.
well, that would be the best approach
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jeninindiana

there are places online that are specifically for trans people and those who are specifically looking for a transwoman if you are pre op/non op , and I think that's a great way to meet people is online . I think you most definately must be honest if you still have a penis you DO need to let the other person know that right away and upfront right at the flirting stage really (and flirting IS intimacy) really if you are pre op or never intend to have SRS you have no business ever flirting with any heterosexual men so basically yes you do have to be honest with what sex organ you have down there right from the very very beginning you don't want to surprise anyone I think that goes without saying! if you haven't had surgery you will just attract gay men or those interested in transwomen specifically and they are easy enough to find online actually finding love online is becoming more common for everyone .

but for those who HAVE had surgery and are now a woman completely that's a different situation (or should be) if he cannot tell and would never otherwise know and society accepts you as a woman why you would bring that up?  if your completely a woman identify as a woman , assimilate into womanhood , and just be happy at being a woman now including falling in love ... like the above poster said right up front you do not share every intimate or potentially embarrassing secret from your past which is just what it is . its unnecessary to not allow things to just evolve naturally and  eventually will tell him but if you are post op I don't see the rush he is not going to tell you every bad thing that happened to him in his past it takes time to open up to people and trust them and then when you feel secure you reveal more about yourself that's what everyone does in all relationships so I guess it just really depends on how passable you are entirely if being trans is what you identify as then its a good idea to seek out men who are into that and are specifically seeking a transwoman.  if you identify as a woman then just relax and be a woman that is the reason you had the surgery if you have had it is to live life as a woman so just be what you've worked so hard to become and now are don't be so focused on your past and mentally it is keeping you down and keeping you from just living life let yourself be happy if everyone sees you as a woman and you have become a woman then proceed as a woman does proceed in courtship . sometimes how we see ourselves is different from how the rest of the world sees us maybe the rest of the world sees you as woman but you yourself do not? :eusa_eh:

your mental self perception could be an issue and might not be aligned with what has become reality which is that you are now a woman but some might have self perception issues which is a whole different topic . this society recognizes 2 genders male or female (some societies  recognize 3 or more genders) but if you are trying to be a 3rd gender in a 2 gender society just be aware that it is very antisocial and also counterculture at a very deep level , to identify as any kind of 3rd gender . of course you can always find like minded people online who are open to that  so if you do insist on living as a 3rd gender in some form which you are doing by identifying not as a woman but as a trans the average person in any 2 gender society  even people who are very open minded will have a difficult time accepting socially a 3rd gender because that is just something so fundamental in society you have become a person separate from society and a social outcast , if anyone want to do that they need to seek out those specifically attracted to your new and unique gender . if that's what you want to do and it makes you happy then sure do it but you cant expect the citizens in any 2 gender society to accept a strange new gender I think its very unlikely that any such society will become accepting of that even within cultures that are very tolerant so assume and expect to become somewhat of a social outcast if you choose to identify as separate from both genders but if you choose to live as a 3rd gender which you can if you want but it will be hard to find others who are within such a separate alternative counter culture . I think for the most part people want to be accepted by society as one of the two genders. if you set yourself up as being dramatically different than everyone else , despite the fact that other people see you as just a woman , then in time you will be seen as neither man or woman but as something completely different and if you do succeed at becoming separate from everyone you will likely find yourself in a very lonely place .
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FalseHybridPrincess

My advise would be this
dont expect from a random cis straight person to want to have a relationship with a trans person
truth is there are many queer people out there, just search for them
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