Opinion of MtF's & FtM's concerning androgynes

[lady amarant]

However those kind of operations may at end risk rights of the ''normal transsexuals''.

I can't see how androgynes being recognised and provided a path to transition would impact on us. Transsexed people have an established history in the medical field, and with all the research that has been coming out about us over the last few years, I cannot see how anybody can rationally argue anymore that we don't have a legitimate natural variation/condition/whetever.

~Simone.

[goingdown]

 I cannot see how anybody can rationally argue anymore that we don't have a legitimate natural variation/condition/whetever.

~Simone.
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There are lot of people arguing that. For example Dr. Zucker, chair of the DSM-V  committee that writes the diagnoses of the ''gender indentity disorders''.

[lady amarant]

There are lot of people arguing that. For example Dr. Zucker, chair of the DSM-V  committee that writes the diagnoses of the ''gender indentity disorders''.

I agree that there are a lot of people still arguing that we're sick/twisted/sinful/mentally ill/etc. but the weight of evidence undermines their arguments by the day. Just because somebody puts Dr. ahead of his or her name does not mean that they don't have their own personal biasses, or that they stay up to date on all the latest research. I mean, everybody's favourite gender therapists are Blanchard and Bailey, after all.

~Simone.

[tekla]

or that they stay up to date on all the latest research

Or not, the latest research might well be a big steaming crock if you know what I mean.

[lady amarant]

Or not, the latest research might well be a big steaming crock if you know what I mean.

Yeah true. But gene sequences and autopsied brains tend to be a bit tough to argue with.

~Simone.

[RebeccaFog]

Well Jesus Hell, I didn't even really know about androgynes until a couple of days ago when I joined this site.
Seems like a perfectly valid state of affairs to me.
Hell, by comparison, I'm the crazy one - they don't want to have their genitals cut up and stuffed inside them, amirite?

Some do.  But then, some of those who do, don't have the drive that demands it be done.

[Nicky]

Well Jesus Hell, I didn't even really know about androgynes until a couple of days ago when I joined this site.
Seems like a perfectly valid state of affairs to me.
Hell, by comparison, I'm the crazy one - they don't want to have their genitals cut up and stuffed inside them, amirite?

We seem to like ours without stuffing  . Though there is a big range in the grey. I would love to drive my own Vulva (I can feel the phantom their now), at the same time I don't mind tooling around this world with my own Pagero. Probably a good assumption that more of us don't have as much drive to change our ride, though some of us do.

Hey, just got to 333 posts. That's like the number of the semi-beast is it not!

[tekla]

Half-a-Beast, like Eric, the Half Bee.

[Vexing]

On another note, I find the whole Androgyne paradigm to be utterly fascinating and I'm very jealous of you all. Rest assured that if I had any inclinations down that path, I'd join you.
Alas, I'm just a vanilla MTF girly girl. 

[Nicky]

Half-a-Beast, like Eric, the Half Bee.

I love you carnally tekla...semi carnally

It is a rather loose paradigm me thinks. Though I guess it is quite a departure from the accepted binary one.

I like vanilla MTF's. I think FtM's would be chocolate and Andro's are orange and full of jubes, or an empty cone (they would be the low calorie variety of androgyne).

[tekla]

I don't know that its loose.  Its just very undefined, as most things are on the frontier.  As Jim Morrison said "Out here on the perimeter there are no stars.  We are stoned.  Immaculate."  Its just sort of couture sans frontieres

[goingdown]

After considering the issue I change my statement to that Androgyne is a valid form of gender alternative.

[RebeccaFog]

Chalk up another one for our crowd.


Now we need to convince another 4 billion people.

[tekla]

The slogan is:

To choose, is to lose.


How 'bout that one?

[RebeccaFog]

I guess that's okay.  But don't you feel it might be dangerous to tell billions of people they are losers?

[Hypatia]

The slogan is:

To choose, is to lose.


How 'bout that one?

Are you implying that my gender is a choice?

[Nicky]

Are you implying that my gender is a choice?

I definitly think this is what they are implying 

[RebeccaFog]

The slogan is:

To choose, is to lose.


How 'bout that one?

Are you implying that my gender is a choice?

I'm just going to come out and say it.  From our androgyne perspective it is sometimes possible to choose.

People are always telling us that gender is not a choice, but when you float around in the gender pool (ick!) the way we androgynes do, whether it's a choice or not borders on irrelevance.

in my view.


I am in no way inferring that gender is a choice for you, Hypatia.   

[Nicky]

Interesting comment about it sometimes being possible to choose. Personally I don't feel I have any choice. But perhaps it is possible to take a side and live mostly on that side or just live on the side you have been asigned. I do know some androgynes are comfortable enough in their assigned gender roles and expression that it is not worth the effort and hastle of going against the grain of society. Unfortunately I don't seem to be one of those, the need is too strong.

For me the the slogan says - It is not good for an androgyne being required to choose a side. I would agree with that. Perhaps deeper than this is choosing a side is denying a big part of yourself.

[RebeccaFog]

That's what I thought too.