Opinion of MtF's & FtM's concerning androgynes

[Thundra]

I really just think its a phase. A place of safety while working out Gender issues

While this is a valid POV, I just love that it is so similar to other similar opinions I hear all of the time, such as:

She doesn't really want to be a boy, it's just a phase they are going through.

He's not really gay, it's just a phase he is going through.

There are no switches, everyone is either a top or a bottom (because I said so)

And, my favorite: there are no such things as bisexuals, they are just sitting on the fence until they fall onto one side or the other.

And then there is this one I saw posted yesterday on Craig's List:

There are only two genders, male and female. All the rest of you are freaks.

I just wanted you to know that you are in good company with your view that gender expression is binary in nature, and that everyone else is weird cause they are not like you.

Who ever thought that transitioning people and white supremacists would have so much in common!  ROFL!!!!

[Rachael]

thats how i feel about my bisexuality, im exploring how i feel, and considering i dont ever wish to have a relationship with a female, my interest in them intimately might die off.
R

[Thundra]

my interest in them intimately might die off.

Sounds like wishful thinking. Nobody asks to be queer-identified. Or Bi-sexual. Not for the squeamish, that's for sure.

Then again, you might be str8 all your life and then ::bling:: suddenly you are not, or vice versa. It happens everyday all over the world to people just like you.

But just because you view your bisexuality as possibly temporary does not mean that other folks feel the same way. In fact, I know a BI-gal that is just as militant in her view that all people are really bisexual and that we just need to allow ourselves to express it.

Which is equally obnoxious to people that view androgynous people as non-existant.

I am utterly bemused constantly by the fact that Susan created this site to make a place where everyone can feel safe and welcomed, and yet, it is constantly used instead as a platform to express people's own internalized transphobia, homophobia and now, androgynophobia.

OK.  Time for a break.  ::phew: they all sigh in relief.

[Rachael]

like in my post, i said its how i view MY bisexuality, not everyones, its a valid sexual identity, but for me, its an intermediate while i work things out.

[RebeccaFog]

like in my post, i said its how i view MY bisexuality, not everyones, its a valid sexual identity, but for me, its an intermediate while i work things out.

I have the same kind of bisexuality.  I can only see myself spending my life with a woman.  But the interest in intimacy with males is not going to drop off.  I'm okay with it, though.


Now, get back on topic, You!   

[cindianna_jones]

Don't understand it or know enough about it to have an opinion one way or the other.

Look kids, I don't even understand MYSELF!  No, I don't understand, and I don't care.  I really don't.  I don't mean this in a mean spirited way.... It doesn't matters to me.  I am firmly of the opinion that you need to lead your life in the way you best see fit.  As long as you don't trample the law or peep in my windows, it matters not to me. I don't feel uncomfortable being around others who are of questionable gender.  I usually don't even do any questioning.  I just accept people for who they are.

All of these discussions of this label or that label, the elitists and the whatever, do however twist my sensibilities some. That does give me negative vibes.

Cindi

[Shana A]

Who ever thought that transitioning people and white supremacists would have so much in common!  ROFL!!!!

ROFL and Oy vey es mir!

I'd rather hear hateful comments from right wing supremacists than from my fellow trannies, at least I know where the right wing supremacists are coming from. 

Zythyra

[RebeccaFog]

Don't understand it or know enough about it to have an opinion one way or the other.

Look kids, I don't even understand MYSELF!  No, I don't understand, and I don't care.  I really don't.  I don't mean this in a mean spirited way.... It doesn't matters to me.  I am firmly of the opinion that you need to lead your life in the way you best see fit.  As long as you don't trample the law or peep in my windows, it matters not to me. I don't feel uncomfortable being around others who are of questionable gender.  I usually don't even do any questioning.  I just accept people for who they are.

All of these discussions of this label or that label, the elitists and the whatever, do however twist my sensibilities some. That does give me negative vibes.

Cindi

Hi Cindi,

   This poll is not meant as a challenge in anyway.  We are trying to gather information that is not available to us from the outside world.  I thought it would be interesting to gather this point of view from people I know and trust.  No elitism here.  I'm sure that the others would agree it would be hysterical if everyone agreed we don't exist.
   We androgynes, as a group, are in a place that you are not.  You can say "I'm a woman".  You can check off a box on a form that says "Male or Female". These things are not so important here on Susan's where all people are welcome, but out in the world, it is awkward.  We are trying to build a floor in a spot we are standing on.

    This poll is definitely not meant to indicate that any group is above or not above another.

    I did start a religier than thou thing somewhere, though.  Only because I am religier than all of you put together 

  ***  I hope I didn't offend any of my siblings when I used the term 'we'.  I'm not trying to usurp the position of spokesperson for androgynes.  Do we have a spokesperson? 

[Tay]

I AM THE SPOKESPERSON!!!

I CAN FIX BICYCLE SPOKES...

Oh... you meant being the voice of the androgynes? 

Fat chance I'm taking that job!  You can have it, Reeb.  You can lead the revolution!

[RebeccaFog]

I'm barely capable of leading myself to the bathroom.

[Tay]

You do it, though.  I had to have Sophie basically carry me last night.

I swear, I am NEVER drinking that much at a go again!  EVER!

[no_id]

***  I hope I didn't offend any of my siblings when I used the term 'we'.  I'm not trying to usurp the position of spokesperson for androgynes.  Do we have a spokesperson? 

Uh.. *backs off slowly*...........................

[Dorothy]

I dont really accept Androgyne as a gender alternative.  Its a way to test the soils

[Sophia]

I voted for full acceptance and the way I look at it is as such.

Androgynes are a valid gender identity and any transsexual that treats them as invalid has no right from this point on to take any offense if a cisgendered person calls them a "chick with a dxxx", a "->-bleeped-<-", "confused" or various other offensive painful things. Any transsexual that engages in this hypocritical disrespect towards our androgyne siblings has no right to complain when other people tell them that their transsexuality is a phase or that they're deranged and insane.

You can have whatever opinion you want, but its not excuse to disrespect their gender identity.
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Posted on: August 06, 2007, 07:40:34 PM

Who ever thought that transitioning people and white supremacists would have so much in common!  ROFL!!!!

I almost lol'd my pants off.

[Shana A]

***  I hope I didn't offend any of my siblings when I used the term 'we'.  I'm not trying to usurp the position of spokesperson for androgynes.  Do we have a spokesperson?

Rebis,

I know of people who were appointed to boards of directors when they didn't show up to a meeting once. Better watch out, you might get elected, hehe  >

Zythyra

PS, I'm spokesperson for one androgyne only, moi.

[Mia and Marq]

This has been an interesting poll. Thank you everyone for being honest with us. I have to admit it doesn't seem very straightfoward to many unless they can go with the "I am who I am and thats all that I am, you be who you'll be because thats who you be".

I'm happy for who we are and nothing anyone else could say will change that. Just because you may not believe in us doesn't mean we'll disappear. Atleast I don't think we will.

Marq and Mia
Just wait till its time to pick out a movie to rent
And why do I keep walking into the wall between the mens and womens restrooms?

[Melissa]

I was/am M2F before figuring out that I'm androgyne, so I voted. You can probably guess that I recognize and accept androgyny as a viable option

Hmm, I thought this was a poll to figure out what TS's thought of androgynes.  I wonder how many androgynes actually voted, which would skew the results if you only wanted TS's opinions.   Oh well.

[Sophia]

Just because you may not believe in us doesn't mean we'll disappear. Atleast I don't think we will.

*claps her hands and believes in Marq and Mia*

Now you won't die!



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[tinkerbell]

Hmm, I thought this was a poll to figure out what TS's thought of androgynes.  I wonder how many androgynes actually voted, which would skew the results if you only wanted TS's opinions.   Oh well.

Uh huh.  Like you said.  Oh well.  Or like I say.  Whatever! 

tink

[Seshatneferw]

Do we have a spokesperson? 

We do now. My condolences. 

  Nfr