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I'm a transwoman, but I don't want breasts.

Started by ✰Fairy~Wishes✰, September 29, 2014, 10:01:36 AM

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✰Fairy~Wishes✰

Hi, I've kind of discovered I'm a girl. I'm transwoman. Deep down in my heart, I've always felt like a girl.

But sometimes I wasn't sure, or I didn't feel that way. Like for instance, I don't want boobs or curves. I would be unhappy if I had boobs or wide hips. I want to be feminine, but in other ways.
So I'm worried about HRT because I don't want to grow boobs. I hadn't used HRT yet because I've seen so worried about curves. But I heard there's a medicine I can take that I can do HRT stuffs without growing breasts, and that it will block breast development.

But I don't know much about this, what it's called and how good it will be at stopping me from being curvy. What's it called and what all does it do? Is it really good at stopping breasts and curves or... is it p... could I still grow curves?
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stephaniec

if you don't mind me asking what do you want the estrogen to do.
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✰Fairy~Wishes✰

Quote from: stephaniec on September 29, 2014, 10:20:46 AM
if you don't mind me asking what do you want the estrogen to do.
I want to have a more feminine face. Well, I want to be more feminine in every way I can other than being curvy.

A lot of things I would like to be able to do I can't do very well with the technology right now sadly... like I would like to be shorter and have smaller feet and smaller shoulders.
Unfortunately, there aren't any safe surgeries for bones. So I'm stuck with having bigger feet than I would like for a while.. ;_;

But I hope that maybe HRT could make my face and my shoulders look a little more feminine. I.. I would hope.
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Megumi

I have never heard of anything that can stop breast development. Basically if you want to start HRT you are going to have to deal with developing breasts and all the other secondary characteristics. I have known more than a few women over the years who DON'T like the fact that they have breasts.

Your bone structure will never change. This is a reality we must all accept whether we like it or not. Now your shoulders might shrink some from muscle loss but nothing major from what I've seen.

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✰Fairy~Wishes✰

Oh... I guess I heard wrong, then...

Maybe HRT isn't for me... ;_;
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ImagineKate

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Lyric

Well, I believe the odds are in your favor. As I understand it, bust growth is often minimal with g-males on HRT, so there's a fair chance you'll get lucky and not develop much. It would be worthwhile to discuss this desire with your physician. She/he might have some ideas about adjusting your prescriptions for this. At the worst, you could do what g-women sometimes do when they feel their breasts are too large-- have reduction surgery. Those seem to me to be your options.
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Jessica Merriman

Quote from: Lyric on September 29, 2014, 11:53:11 AM
Well, I believe the odds are in your favor. As I understand it, bust growth is often minimal with g-males on HRT
I don't know about that. I developed A to B cups just on low dose HRT. You just never know what you are going to get.

I would suggest to the OP that you find a Therapist preferably with gender experience and explore this more. If facial changes are all you want you need to find some other approach like Facial Feminization Surgery. HRT is a funny thing and you cannot pick and choose what developments you want, it just does not work that way. Seeing your primary care doctor is fine, but unless they have experience with hormones in Mtf transitions would be in my opinion a waste of time.  :)
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✰Fairy~Wishes✰

I'm definitely trying to see a therapist, thank you! It's a little bit hard, but I'm trying!

Maybe HRT isn't the best. But I do want face feminization surgery. Maybe that's all I'll need.

And maybe therapies and surgeries and things will get better in the future. I'm really hopeful for technology.
Thank you for the help, everyone.
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Auroramarianna

I don't know what's your objective, do you don't want breasts because you don't like them or because you don't want to socially transition? Because it's different, I'd guess. If you want to socially transition and not having boobs or being curvaceous to an extent, then it'll make social transition much harder, if not almost impossible. There are women who are almost completely flat-chested, but they usually have a hard time and end up wearing push-ups or paddings.

Besides, if you take HRT, you'll most likely have feminization to some degree in all your body, not just face. It's impossible to monitor and choose changes, what you'll get will depend on how your body reacts to hormones. You could be one of the lucky ones who gets really busty, but in your case, unlucky since you don't want them. Or you could get minor breast development, huge hips and a very femininized face. The combinations are endless. If you really want to transition, then maybe the risk will be worth it. In the end if you're not happy with how busty you've become, you can always undergo breast reduction surgery. That could be an option for you. Most t women want breast agumentation, not reduction, but that doesn't mean you have to as well. For me, I'd really like to become very feminized face and then average to small breasts and a low Waist-To-Hip ratio, but that's me, I'm sure many feel different. And it's okay, we don't have to want all the same things.
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katiej

It sounds to me like you could be non-binary.  But that's definitely something you'll want to talk through with a therapist who specializes in gender issues.  And that's an important point...don't just go to any therapist.

You might want to explore the possibility of taking anti androgens but not any form of estrogen.  That could help you block any further male development, but not grow boobs.

You may also find more help in the non-binary boards.  The MTF board is filled with transwomen who tend more to fret about not having enough breast development.  :)


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✰Fairy~Wishes✰

Quote from: katiej on September 29, 2014, 12:59:37 PM
It sounds to me like you could be non-binary.
Well, I used to identify as genderqueer but not a transwoman. But now I identify as a transwoman.

I can identify as a woman without wanting breasts, right?

Quote from: katiej on September 29, 2014, 12:59:37 PMYou might want to explore the possibility of taking anti androgens but not any form of estrogen.  That could help you block any further male development, but not grow boobs.
That sounds really nice. I was thinking of that, thank you!

Maybe not estrogen, but anti-androgens sound nice!
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Abby Claire

I haven't started HRT yet, but it would seem like anti-androgens might be a possibility for you. It doesn't actually help with the development of female features, but blocks the effects of testosterone. I haven't heard of anti-androgens helping with feminizing the face though, and usually you would need estrogen to gain any female traits.

I don't know, though. I'm unsure what your goal is. Not every girl wants huge breasts, but it seems like you may be wanting to be more androgynous or non-binary. If that is the case, then you really shouldn't be thinking about hormones, since that is going to drastically change your body. This sounds complicated and you should really talk to a professional to help you figure out the right path for you to take.
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mm

It is hard to say how large you may get from hrt.  How large are the women in your family, mother, sisters, cousins, aunts, etc, with about the frame size/built as you; that can give you an idea of what size you can expect to be someday with hormones.
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Zoidberg

Quote from: ✰Fairy~Wishes✰ on September 29, 2014, 01:55:19 PM
Well, I used to identify as genderqueer but not a transwoman. But now I identify as a transwoman.

I can identify as a woman without wanting breasts, right?
That sounds really nice. I was thinking of that, thank you!

Maybe not estrogen, but anti-androgens sound nice!
*leans over fence to offer relevant anecdote*
Sorry if this makes me a downer, but I have a feeling it would be difficult to get a doctor who would allow this. I was told that I couldn't go on hormone blockers to stop estrogen because adults needed some form of hormone in their body to keep their bones healthy. Don't know how true this is though.
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✰Fairy~Wishes✰

Quote from: Auroramarianna on September 29, 2014, 12:13:31 PMThere are women who are almost completely flat-chested
I would love to be a flat-chested woman! If I can pass as a woman and not be curvy, that would be great!

Flat-chested women look plenty like women to me.
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Joanna Dark

It depends on your genetics and any possible IS conditions you may have, unknowingly. Also, age matters, though not to the degree some say. It's better to start early cause it's easier to erase traces of yourself and it's more time as a woman and it does have some benefits pertaining to HRT, particularly if you're 19 or under.

The truth is this: be careful what you wish for because you just might not get it. That was confusing. But seriously, you can start HRT and if you're like 50 percent of transwomen, you won't get above a B cup. There's other factors too. Like chest (or band) size. I'm 30.5 inches around. Sometimes 31 inches. So, small. Even for a GG. But I'm smaller than your average woman in everyway: hands, shoulders, balh, blah, blah. Feet are an 8, so not too big but could be smaller. Anyhoo, this caused the boobs I already had to explode to twice their size and I have fairly large breasts on a small frame. If they get bigger, I'll be one of those chicks who guys clock their head to see again and crash their car. I just want a bigger butt. It's fine but finer would be the finest.

Point is: you may develop well. But, you probably won't have huge boobs. You could bind and hide them or wear a sports bra. I had boobs long before transition and I'm 31. So, about 20 years. Now, they're hurting again so I guess they're growing and I'm starting IM Estrogen tomorrow, so I imagine I'm gonna get pretty busty. But I'm a rare case and have a disorder.
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Ms Grace

Quote from: troyboi on September 29, 2014, 02:11:58 PM
*leans over fence to offer relevant anecdote*
Sorry if this makes me a downer, but I have a feeling it would be difficult to get a doctor who would allow this. I was told that I couldn't go on hormone blockers to stop estrogen because adults needed some form of hormone in their body to keep their bones healthy. Don't know how true this is though.

This is true. You'll need either estrogen or testosterone otherwise osteoporosis is the likely outcome.
Grace
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Transition 1.0 (Julie): HRT 1989-91
Self-denial: 1991-2013
Transition 2.0 (Grace): HRT June 24 2013
Full-time: March 24, 2014 :D
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✰Fairy~Wishes✰

Oh, dear..
Well, I don't want to be unhealthy. :(

Maybe I could mess with my hormones a little bit.
If I only had a little more estrogen and a little less testosterone I wouldn't grow breasts.
That would be nice.
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Randi

Tamoxifen, used in treating breast cancer, is an anti-estrogen and it would have the effect you desire.  There are also aromatase inhibitors such as Arimidex.  The enzyme aromatase converts testosterone to estradiol.  An aromatase inhibitor keeps this action to a minimum.

Now that I've answered you question, I've got to say that taking one drug concurrently with another which virtually eliminates the action of the first one is counterproductive to say the least.

With estrogen you don't get to pick and choose the effects.

Taking an anti-androgen for any length of time could lead to serious health problems.  Eliminating testosterone without replacing it with estrogen will age you prematurely and cause problems like osteoporosis.

Of course you could always grow the boobs and then have them surgically removed like FTM transsexuals do.

Randi
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