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Started by Releca, October 04, 2014, 12:13:40 AM

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Releca

I'm currently in a monogamous straight marriage with a woman I hold dear. Problem is I really don't want to be male in the least. I'm seeing a really nice therapist whom wants me to form a plan on what I think I can do to still feel remind while being male. My wife is totally against the idea of being with a woman.  She made that clear as day. The more I think about what I want the more I want to be female and pretend I was never male at any point in life.

Any advice you can provide on plan 1 and living happily married to her?  It just feels my options are limited of if I become any more feminine than I am then I'm kicked to the curb but the more I transition the better I feel in my own skin.

It just feels like I'm on the edge of a water fall trying to decide if I should swim against the current of just go over the edge and embrace my new life.
I am a caterpillar creeping along a leaf.
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mrs izzy

It comes down to what brings you the most happiness?

Yes hard question to answer I know.

If there is no compromise then both will lose to make both happy.

Not fair I know.
Mrs. Izzy
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Lara1969

I am married with a straight woman too and we have two toddlers (4 months old). After full transition wirh ffs, srs, hrt we are still married but our relationship has changed. It was hard for her to hear that I am a woman. But after many talks she understood that I have to transition because I have no choice. I took many months to understand me.
But our relationship has changed, we do not have sex anymore. She is not a lesbian and will never be. It is likely that that we will split up some day but stay very close friends. Also because I am more into men than women after transition.

Lara
Happy girl from queer capital Berlin
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katiej

How long ago did you come out to your wife, and how long have you been in therapy?  Sometimes it just takes time for a wife to come around...and sometimes they never do. But there are quite a few of us around here with wives who initially took it badly but slowly came to acceptance and support.
"Before I do anything I ask myself would an idiot do that? And if the answer is yes, I do not do that thing." --Dwight Schrute
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helen2010

Quote from: mrs izzy on October 04, 2014, 12:32:54 AM
It comes down to what brings you the most happiness?

Yes hard question to answer I know.

If there is no compromise then both will lose to make both happy.

Not fair I know.
Releca

I agree with Izzy.   The answer is unfortunately fairly clear if you wish to completely transition and your wife does not want to be married to a woman. No compromise means that there is little chance of remaining married.

You may remain friends but remaining married is unlikely unless in your respective journeys you find a middle ground  What that may be, will be for both of you to investigate and to agree

Wishing you both the best on your journeys

Safe travels

Aisla
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Releca

Quote from: katiej on October 04, 2014, 12:41:26 AM
How long ago did you come out to your wife, and how long have you been in therapy?

I came out about 6 months ago was pondering a year before that. I've been in therapy for about 3 months but recently changed since the one I was seeing was not trained in trans issues.

I know its not long but its enough to get me really thinking of what outcome I'm really after.
I am a caterpillar creeping along a leaf.
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katiej

Has her attitude or outlook changed at all in 6 months?  Do you see any signs of progress?
"Before I do anything I ask myself would an idiot do that? And if the answer is yes, I do not do that thing." --Dwight Schrute
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Randi

My wife and I are celebrating out 32nd wedding anniversary this week.  I started to acknowledge my transsexuality over 8 years ago. 

I retired 2 1/2 years ago, but my wife still works.  I am the homemaker.  When I worked and was testosterone based, I was demanding, driven and very hard to be around.  I was good provider, but not a good mate.

I was always a good and considerate lover.  A few years ago I developed more or less permanent erectile dysfunction.  In our discussions we found that neither of us really enjoyed PIV (penis in vagina) sex.  We did it to please each other because we thought it was expected.  You can call it straight or lesbian sex, but I know how to please her.  It took some adaptability for her to learn to please me, but she did.  My breasts are exquisitely sensitive when she learned what she could do to me she felt a great sense of empowerment.

I am so much more kind and considerate that I was when I forced myself into a male role.  We travel, dine out, attend the theatre and symphony.  I'm a very good companion now.  I was not before.

Life is good for both of us and neither has plans to leave the relationship.

I am not at all attracted to men, and though I have many women friends I have never strayed. 

One thing that helped was that I never "came out".  It was my wife and adult daughter that eventually told me that they knew I was a woman and that it was OK.  Coming out and announcing that you are transsexual conjures up images and thoughts that are many times worse than the reality.

It's also helpful that I don't find it necessary to use a lot of makeup or dress in an ultra feminine manner. I always try to be a bit more "butch" than my wife.  I still let her be the girl. 

Of course this formula may not work for you.   Every relationship is different.  I understand that your wife doesn't want to be a lesbian, but it could be that she's not all that fond of your penis.  Many women just do PIV because that's the way it has always been done.  Very few women achieve orgasm through penetration alone.

Best Wishes
Randi



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LizMarie

When I came out to my spouse, she said no, no way, no how, no. Her idea of compromise was me to remain 100% male, see a therapist to be more male, and she even suggested testosterone boosters. But I was in therapy because I'd been caught planning my own suicide. And I was planning that because I had reached the end of my rope. It was transition or die and I really thought there was no way I could transition, no way that I could succeed at my age, no way I could ever pull that off. So I was trying to plan a suicide that would be air tight as an accident, so she'd get the insurance money.

And when I did come out, her "compromise" was no compromise at all. Her way or else. But I'd been down that road and knew exactly where it ended and I didn't want to go back there again. So I knew what the choice was - transition or die. I told her I didn't want to die and was going to transition. And within a few months it became apparent that was the end of our marriage.

At the time, it hurt. It hurt more deeply than I could have imagined, not just the end of our marriage, but the rejection, even some of the angry words she said to me. But that hurt and rejection taught me that whatever she had felt for me all those years, it wasn't unconditional love.

My therapist helped me through all that and I discovered that there is life on the other side of the end of marriage. I grieved. I cried myself to sleep for two solid months in August and September 2012. But when it was over, I realized that for the first time in my life, I didn't have to live a lie for someone else. The last two years have been progressively better and better. There are bad days but the good far outweigh the bad.

I'm very afraid that if you try to "make things work" for her sake, you're going to end up right where I ended up eventually anyway. And then what? How many years will you have wasted being faithful to someone who doesn't really love you, just their image of you, an image that you know in your heart is false?

I know another transwoman, early sixties, who refuses to transition because she's been given the same ultimatum I was. She's miserable constantly. She doesn't want to kill herself because that would leave her spouse nothing but she constantly talks about hoping to die soon, for it to be over, so she doesn't have to live the lie any longer. Is that where you want to be someday? Do you want to die as him, be remembered exclusively as him, be remembered as the moody, dark, brooding guy?

I give this quote to anyone debating this question. I suggest you read it and read it well because it's true.

Quote"Selfishness is not living as one wishes to live, it is asking others to live as one wishes to live. And unselfishness is letting other people's lives alone, not interfering with them. Selfishness always aims at creating around it an absolute uniformity of type. Unselfishness recognises infinite variety of type as a delightful thing, accepts it, acquiesces in it, enjoys it. It is not selfish to think for oneself. A man who does not think for himself does not think at all. It is grossly selfish to require of one's neighbour that he should think in the same way, and hold the same opinions. Why should he? If he can think, he will probably think differently. If he cannot think, it is monstrous to require thought of any kind from him. A red rose is not selfish because it wants to be a red rose. It would be horribly selfish if it wanted all the other flowers in the garden to be both red and roses."


― Oscar Wilde, The Soul of Man and Prison Writings
The meaning of life is to find your gift. The purpose of life is to give it away.



~ Cara Elizabeth
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JoanneB

I came out to my wife well over 30 years ago. I dropped the T-Bomb on her six years ago. Finally, two years ago the real me, the person in my core shone bright and clear to her (and to me). During that time of crises (totally(?) unrelated) she saw and experienced the fruits of my years of working on myself to become a whole real person. I think since that time I've heard her "I did not marry a woman" speech perhaps twice and how it ended had a far different tone.

"Transitioning" simply put is "Changing". Change can, and hopefully will, encompass many inner aspects of yourself as well as outer, on top of how you live your life and all the others in it. I spent just about all my life locking away one very large, important, aspect of myself while trying to build up and live up to an image of what I was taught should be me. I was literally broken into two. When the time came for me to take on the trans-beast, for real, my main goal was to bring these seemingly divergent aspects of myself together into one whole healthy person. During those weeks of crises I successfully defended my thesis. I had become a mostly whole and far far healthier person.

My wife has also changed her stance on a possible shared life in the future. "Possible" sure beats NFW. I cannot ask, nor can I reasonably expect her to be able, to promise to stay by my side. I knocked the game off the table. She did not marry a woman. She likes what men have. A cold soulless piece of rubber just isn't the same. GRS has never been on my short list of Must-Have's. It still isn't, unlike any sort of living as a woman. Part time, full time, sequestered.

To this day I don't see myself going full-time. Yet, I also learned where my true joy lies. How that will translate into the reality of living and working as a transwoman has too many unknowns, too many fears, for me to deal with today. I know my wife feels differently as she see's me going full-time as inevitable. Overjoyed that I am a realist in that right now is not the right time. Supportive of any effort that helps me survive another day of living, of feeling happy being me.

My wife and I both always placed the others happiness above our own. Much less hurt the other. We both never wanted to stand between the other and their joy. The past six years perhaps have been the ultimate test of those feelings. Sure it still weirds her out sometimes seeing my breasts or feeling them as does loosing the wig. I still have my "WTF am I doing???" attacks as I feel this whole thing is bringing pain into her life.

We cannot change how our spouses will ultimately feel towards us any more than they can get us to simply get this "trans stuff" out of our heads. The best we can do is show them what a far healthier, complete, and happier person we are, and hopefully to life with and to share a future life with.
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Releca

katiej I'm feeling as if there is no progress here. I've tried a few things like growing my hair and nails out a bit and she is constantly telling me to cut them back. She used to joke about doing my hair and makeup or even painting my nails before I came out because of how feminine I act naturally and now I just get her disappointment about no longer feeling its OK to joke like that. In fact when I tell her I want to go to groups or even find something online to help me out I reach so much resistance that she doesn't know about you gals at all. She has clearly put her foot down and said "I married a man and if you don't want to be a man then I'm not sure we can stay together" and yes I've heard that speach so many times I can quote it exactly.

Sometimes it feels I've just spent most of the last 6 years trying to please her and take care of her and when I try to get my own desires in its either met with resistance or limited freedom. We have no car of our own so getting around is quite hard and with her spending habits and hiding bills both of our credit scores are much worse off now leaving me with the worry of can I even get a place of my own to move out now or am I stuck. I just don't know what to do anymore of how can I make what feels comfortable and stay in my relationship or move to where I can feel good in my own body.
I am a caterpillar creeping along a leaf.
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