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Is it possible to just not transition (and not be miserable?)

Started by ScottyMac, October 08, 2014, 04:18:01 AM

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crowcrow223

Are you aware that you don't have to go to the gender clinic to start testosterone? Just ask your gp, talk to them. I remember I got tst blockers off my gp over the phone telling him the name of the meds I want, lol. Try it!

There's no way to ease the dysphoria without transitioning. Well, lobothomy, but it's not on your wishlist prolly, lol

Do it, and see how it goes. Feel the joy from seeing the tiniest changes in your body :D it's cool

good luck!
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katiej

Transition doesn't start on day one of T, so you've got plenty of things that you can do now to get a head start.  And as others have said, it should alleviate some of the depression you're experiencing.

IMO the social part of transition is even more important than the physical aspects.  And since you weren't socialized as a guy, you've got some catching up to do.  Pay attention to guys' mannerisms, social interactions, speech patterns, etc. and then try to mimic till it feels natural.
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Carrie Liz

It varies from person to person. Some are more able to cope than others.

I actually probably didn't HAVE to transition. I was relatively happy before starting transition, and dysphoria was just like this little persistent bugger that kept bothering me and that I had to consciously ignore.

Sure, I had low self-esteem, I hated my body, and felt like I was in a perpetual state of being bothered and annoyed and unmotivated, but I did indeed survive just fine, and still found ways to be happy. In fact, I was one of those "ray of sunshine" type people at work all the time, because I absolutely refused to be a negative influence on the world, I decided that I'd rather suck all the marrow out of life, working on my lifelong dream, listening to music and constantly singing happy songs, and being nice to people in a feminine way even if they weren't nice back to me just because I was tall, large-built, and male, that nobody would ever have known that there was anything wrong with me.

All I'm saying is, there are ways to cope. There are indeed ways to still be happy, if you're the type of person who can find them and look on the positive side of things rather than dwelling on the negatives.

With that said, I decided to transition because I realized the only reason I wasn't doing it was because I was afraid of what other people would think. I was afraid of rejection from friends, rejection from family, and being seen as a freak by people. It had NOTHING to do with what I wanted. So I decided to follow my heart and to hell with what anyone else thought about it.

But again, I didn't have to transition. It wasn't "transition or die" for me. It was more like "stay as I am now and keep being happy but with this persistent nagging source of annoyance, or take a shot at true happiness and a body that I'd actually like instead of constantly hating it.
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mac1

Quote from: Carrie Liz on October 08, 2014, 02:00:24 PM
It varies from person to person. Some are more able to cope than others.

I actually probably didn't HAVE to transition. I was relatively happy before starting transition, and dysphoria was just like this little persistent bugger that kept bothering me and that I had to consciously ignore.

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But again, I didn't have to transition. It wasn't "transition or die" for me. It was more like "stay as I am now and keep being happy but with this persistent nagging source of annoyance, or take a shot at true happiness and a body that I'd actually like instead of constantly hating it.
People who have been following you for a while wont believe that BS. Transition was definately something that you had to do. Don't second guess yourself or give up now. You will only regret it later.
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cassieohpia

Quote from: mac1 on October 08, 2014, 04:06:15 PM
People who have been following you for a while wont believe that BS. Transition was definately something that you had to do. Don't second guess yourself or give up now. You will only regret it later.

I have to say Carrie Liz, I've followed your story only recently, and from the start! All 69 pages. It's made me sad often, but also very very happy for you. I have to say respectfully, I can see what mac1 means! You look so lovely and have such a happier face in your recent pictures. How can you think otherwise. X

I think we are (or at least have been) our own worst enemies and the negative side of us will always be ready to put doubts, fears and worries into our minds.

I ask similar questions to you Scotty mac. I do agree with the many who say only we can know and that it will take time.

Hope it goes well for you.
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Carrie Liz

Okay, I appreciate it, you two, but I'm talking before I ever even started transition.

Mac, you've known me since I was posting on the Eunuch Archive and still thought that transition was impossible, and was just using story-writing as a coping mechanism. Before I'd even considered starting transition. I was actually a pretty happy and upbeat back then. Ironically, starting transition and getting on hormones was the thing that opened the floodgates and made me realize what I had been missing my whole life, and anything less than full transition no longer became an option because I realized how much I'd been denying myself for the sake of not offending others.

But back before those floodgates opened, I did cope just fine.

So again, I do think that it's possible. Not recommended if it's just fear over social rejection that's keeping you from doing it, like it was for me, but possible.

And to be fair, I didn't have much to lose... my "social rejection" fear was nothing but worrying about people making fun of me or looking at me funny, or my parents begrudgingly disapproving of it. And I was unmarried, had just broken off my only long-term relationship, and had JUST entered the workforce. I pretty much had nothing to lose by trying. For those who have real things to lose, though... stable long-term careers, rejecting families, marriages, kids, hostile environments, it really might not be in their best interest to transition. A lot of trans people can't cope with losing those things. So weigh your options. What do you have to lose? How important are those things to you? How bad is your dysphoria? Is it therefore worth taking a shot at being rid of the dysphoria at the risk of losing those things?

And here's another question that really drove me into it... what about the risk of getting more and more like your birth gender and less and less like your identity gender with each passing year? Because yeah, that happens. The older you get, the more and more your natal hormones affect you, and the more and more like your birth gender you get, and the less your body replenishes and heals itself, and thus the harder it becomes to transition. That was one of the things that pushed me over the edge... I realized that I was losing my hair FAST, my skin was losing its youthful luster, my face and body were getting thicker and thicker and more masculine with each passing year, that that it genuinely might be too late for me to transition and pass unless I acted quickly. Consider that too.

There's a lot of positives and negatives to weigh, and again, they vary from person to person. Some people age more slowly so that's not as big of a factor. Some people have families that are more likely to be accepting. Some people have job protections, some don't. Some have worse dysphoria than others. And some are able to cope with loss and personal hardships better than others. These are all things to consider.
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VeryGnawty

Quote from: ScottyMac on October 08, 2014, 05:38:16 AM
I have got male boxers but they don't really sit right haha.

Of course they don't sit right.  They are boxers.

Briefs for the win!
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Monica Jean

Quote from: Carrie Liz on October 08, 2014, 05:17:52 PM...starting transition and getting on hormones was the thing that opened the floodgates and made me realize what I had been missing my whole life, and anything less than full transition no longer became an option because I realized how much I'd been denying myself for the sake of not offending others.


I believe this is a majority opinion of transgender people.  The clarity of thought and the depression removal as a result of hormones brings into confident focus what has been buried for so long. 
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Mariah

It's not possible at least for me it wasn't. I put my transition on hold after starting 8 years earlier. Doing so nearly resulted in my dying. The stress on my body caused me to lose one kidney and nearly lose the other.
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viktor_tokyo

Scotty I'm in the same place you are, but I'm 32.
I think you're always going to be wondering "what if I transitioned...?". So I think it's possible for you to be happy with a female body, but I think you'll always wonder. Like I'm pretty happy now, except for the constant gnawing feeling in the back of my head...! But you don't need to rush into transitioning even if you do want to transition. If you want to have kids, have kids first. Know you can transition after that.
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JoanneB

Quote from: VeryGnawty on October 08, 2014, 04:45:04 AM
Short answer: No.

Long answer:  There are many factors that make up one's life, and being trans is just one of many.  People have delayed transition for things like family, circumstances, and other issues which are important to them.  It should be noted that in most of these cases people do eventually transition, and transition is merely delayed because they made value judgments about what is most important at the time and NOT because they were trying to avoid transition.  So, it is possible to not transition.  Is it possible to just not transition and not be miserable?  Not usually.

TBH Plenty of cis-people lead miserable lives. Again balance and value judgements. Just exactly what constitutes miserable? If 90% of your life is going great, including a healthy handling, yet not "ideal world" of being trans, would you trade away 50% or that 90% to gain that 10?

After six years of "transitioning" I have not gone full-time, yet. In fact that sort of decision is even harder to make now that I am a lot more emotionally healthier than I was before really taking on the trans beast. I have things in my life that are important, that bring me joy, that give me sense a worth, that all give me a sense of who I am. I may not look or feel (at times) totally genuine Yet today I am far far happier then I was 6 years ago before I started this process.

Perhaps this is because GRS was never on my top ten list. Feeling happy being me, being in my own skin was far more important. For the most part I have that. I have also achieved my life long dream of being seen as and accepted as a woman. Plenty of times I have my WTF am I doing? moments. I have a semi invalid wife who is slowly dying on the inside. I have a career that I love, a job that is more like play then work. I have other obligations to myself and others I need to live up to since that is who I am.

I look at it as the time is not right for me to go full-time, right now. When I first experimented with transitioning in my early 20's the take away was NFW! The pain and all I'd loose was far too much for a very fragile me to bear. I don't look back with regret since the time was not right then either.

Transition, simply put, is change. There has been PLENTY of that these past six years. One of the biggest is I almost never say "Life sucks and then you die" which was almost a constant mantra. I may have given up my dream of retiring when I hit 35, but I still have another dream to look forward to achieving
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aleon515

I think the social part is important too. Not that after a certain point, I didn't say "well f___ that." I mean that I take T and had top surgery. I watched how guys sit, stand, carry stuff, etc. But after a bit well if I don't keep to whatever someone's stereotype of guy is, well that's too damn bad. :)

Can you be completely stealth with no one knowing, to some extent. I don't think anybody is completely stealth, in that they tell partners, close friends, GP, that sort of thing.


Some people very honestly don't really care, even in my generation. They really really really don't.
Be who you are. Therapy from a good therapist who knows about this stuff is very helpful in this. Initially I had no idea how far/how much I would medically transition, if at all. You can discover that, but if a therapist tries to tell you, don't walk, run really fast. :)

--Jay


Quote from: katiej on October 08, 2014, 01:27:32 PM
Transition doesn't start on day one of T, so you've got plenty of things that you can do now to get a head start.  And as others have said, it should alleviate some of the depression you're experiencing.

IMO the social part of transition is even more important than the physical aspects.  And since you weren't socialized as a guy, you've got some catching up to do.  Pay attention to guys' mannerisms, social interactions, speech patterns, etc. and then try to mimic till it feels natural.
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Sandy74

I have decided that I am just going to take my time in the way I feel about being transgender. I mean it really didn't hit me hard about being transgender until recently and I am 40 years old right now and I am not sure if I will ever take hormones or have surgery but I am not going to get all bent out of shape if I don't. I know that deep down inside I am a woman and to fullfil that desire to be a woman dressing up and feeling feminine is just the trick right now. I am eventually going to start going to transgender group meetings and hopefully meeting others like myself, I am going to go see a gender therapist and get out my feelings and if he/she thinks I am at a good part of my life to take hormones then I will and go from there. I know that once I start taking hormones that I will have to decide where to go from there because if I grow breasts then there is no turning back and I will have to live as a woman unless I strap them down and keep wearing male clothes.

I think people think we choose to be this way and deal with the everyday issues we face trapped in the wrong body. Just hearing the issues that other transgender mtf and ftm have to deal with is rather stressful to think about and the money you spend and what not it just seems so overwhelming at times but I have decided that I am just going to relax and take my time and things will end up working themselves out. Now if I won the lottery or something I would make it happen right away and not work at all, lol and live full time as a woman and afford the surgery and life would be perfect or near perfect.
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mac1

Quote from: Sandy74 on October 22, 2014, 09:21:03 AM
............I am going to go see a gender therapist and get out my feelings and if he/she thinks I am at a good part of my life to take hormones then I will and go from there. I know that once I start taking hormones that I will have to decide where to go from there because if I grow breasts then there is no turning back and I will have to live as a woman unless I strap them down and keep wearing male clothes.
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You could still be a male with breasts. It is mostly how you feel about them. Nobody else will really care.
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