Susan's Place Logo

News:

Please be sure to review The Site terms of service, and rules to live by

Main Menu

How do you feel about a bathroom with a sign saying transgender on it and it...

Started by Shana-chan, October 09, 2014, 03:59:45 PM

Previous topic - Next topic

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

ImagineKate

Something else I've been thinking of.

I take my kids to the restroom. Usually I take them to the men's (because I'm not really anywhere near being out yet). But I feel uncomfortable doing so with my two little girls. Thankfully many stores now have family restrooms which we use. And I welcome those.
  •  

aleon515

Nope. If they want a unisex bathroom (including single stall), that's different. What's the deal about dividing people by sexual organs anyway?

Would not use it.

--Jay
  •  

Natkat

I dont feel toilets should be seperated in general.
  •  

Foxglove

I don't like the idea of a "Transgender Loo".  Besides the danger inherent in outing yourself by using one, it is insulting.  I don't need to be separated from the common herd.  I'm not a danger to anyone.  The ones who need to be weeded out are those who like to rape, fight, kill, assault, etc.  We don't just need separate loos for them.  A separate planet would be better.
  •  

Shana-chan

Ok, I believe now is a good time to answer my own questions that I asked everyone. So, here is my take on them. (See OP post for the questions as these are the answers)

I feel Dysphoria, bothered and disgusted by it. It needs to come down. If it was used everywhere, same result if there were still men/woman/any other restrooms, and same if in thera's building. If it was the ONLY restroom and everyone used it then, I wouldn't much mind it since it wouldn't out me and such and would be considered "normal" however, I would wonder why it was called transgender restroom if it was for everyone. As for the reason the thera gave for using it, I would feel at least they were trying albeit VERY misguided and would say something about it and try to get them to correct the matter.

Well, that's my take n it. Mine like most here is very similar to many here, glad I'm not the only one who feels that way, although, I didn't think I was. :)

Thank you to everyone who replied to this thread and answered any/all the questions I asked. :)



"Denial will get people no where."
"Don't look to the here & now but rather, to the unknown future & hope on that vs. the here & now."
  •  

♥︎ SarahD ♥︎

Out of idle curiosity hun, what exactly prompted you to ask these Q's? :P ♥︎
*Hugs*
"You never find the path to your true self, but rather - you find your true self along the path"
  •  

mac1

All public restrooms should be multi-user unisex with private stalls and no open urinals.  It will save space, cost, duplication, and unequal wait times.
  •  

Taka

there should be one unisex urinal room, one unisex stalls room, and one unisex room for the paranoid.
the reason for female restroms being separated from the now male restrooms might have been the same as why they in japan have train cars for women only.
seems women are targeted in unisex spaces. unfortunately men are too,so it's better to have a room for easy targets than women only.
  •  

AdamMLP

How do you feel about a bathroom with a sign saying transgender on it?

Definitely not something I would use at all.  I can sort of see it's worth if there are people who do not feel comfortable in either the male or female bathroom, and yet are comfortable and safe enough to use something which outs them.  I can't see many places where it would certainly be safe enough to use one of these bathrooms as you can never tell who's walking past.

I would be furious if someone tried to make me use the "transgender bathroom" because there's no way I'm outting myself for anyone, especially not if all I want to do is empty my bladder.  I spent too long running and hiding using the female bathroom in places where I people believed I was female but I passed.  I'm not going to start sneaking around again to stop people thinking of me as anything other than Alex, male.

If it was just there and no one tried to make me use it, in all honesty I'd probably start emailing the owner of the building/company to ask them what on earth they were playing at, and that if they wanted to be inclusive stick a proper unisex bathroom in, not something that singles trans people out as other.  As well as being risky in outting people, it's also helping to perpetuate all the rubbish flying around about trans people being able to use the correct bathroom for their gender identity, so when there isn't a "transgender bathroom" around we're likely to get more hassle than before.

Having a picture of what looks like a fusion of the common male and female picture on the sign?

I would have no issue with that representation at all, although it would be interpreted by most as a unisex bathroom.  I have no issues at all with unisex bathrooms though, and it would either have no effect upon, or make it more comfortable, for the majority of people.

How would you feel if this was used in all public places as well as how would you feel if this was used at your gender therapist's building where you're getting therapy done?

I touched on half of this before.  In public places it would be dangerous, and encourages people to think of us as something which is "other" to cis people.  There would be pressure for known trans people, even if they're ones who consistently get read as their gender, to use these hypothetical "transgender bathrooms", providing a constant reminder that they're trans.  Even if they weren't pressured into using them, they'd be walking past them every time they're out in public, and I wouldn't want that reminder at all, I just want to live my life.

In a gender clinic/therapist/whatever's building I sort of see a little more sense, but again, what would make this more suitable than a standard unisex toilet?  Nothing.  I can see that a "transgender bathroom" would be harmful, and personally think that a unisex is highly required in places like that. Not everyone who goes there is ready to come out openly as trans, or may only choose to present as their gender while they're there (especially places like mine where they also hold trans groups), and is worried about other people seeing them.

In my gender clinic there's actually a single stall toilet within the waiting room which is gender neutral, and outside the door to the waiting room there's a gents with three cubicles and a couple of urinals.  Even though only one of the cubicle doors lock I'd still rather use an unlocked door in there than the gender neutral one inside.  I don't know why, it doesn't really make sense, perhaps it's some bravado to show them that yes, I do live a fully male life, or it could just be that it's habit now.

How would you feel if ALL the restrooms in the gender therapist's building had that sign and word transgender on it, and them saying it's to show and say they accept trans people?

I would counter that train of thought with the arguments I've provided here, and contact the service that we sent complaints and concerns to if they did not immediately change it.  I would also warn others in case anyone else is concerned in the same way.  I would be very skeptical about their ability to provide support and understanding for the trans community, and would wish I could go somewhere else (in the UK I'd have at least a five month wait before getting to go to another gender identity clinic, but thankfully mine has been wonderful to me).  I would not use the toilet on principle, and would pay to use public ones on my way there/go at the train station.

Now again, how would you feel if all restrooms in public had this sign/name, and yes this means no unisex, or male, or female or any other restroom besides this one, so, how would you feel?

I'd be confused and angry.  Where would cisgender people go to the bathroom?  Why would anyone choose transgender over unisex to put on the doors?  Again, I'd be contacting people who made these decisions, or if it miraculously all happened over night I'd probably contact people and start a motion of going around and sticking pieces of paper saying "unisex" over the doors!  Anything to get it corrected.

Transgender is not a synonym for unisex/gender neutral, and it shouldn't be treated as such.  Putting that word on the doors in that manner would not make it any more accessible or suitable for trans people.  All it would serve to do would be to confuse the matter of what a trans person actually is, and whether they should be welcome in gendered toilets.

Perhaps if a place wants to be more trans friendly they should either remove the gendered signage and use unisex signs, or if they still wanted to keep things separate to some degree, perhaps if they didn't want to rip out urinals (although I've been in a unisex toilet where urinals were used alongside cubicals in Belguim), then they could make a slightly poorer attempt at making people feel more welcome with a "trans people welcome" sign.  It's a bit of a cop out though.

A bit off topic, but I'm not sure how I'd feel about purely having unisex toilets.  In theory it seems like a good idea, but thinking deeper about it I'd worry that women would be concerned by men hearing them dealing with sanitary products.  I'm not sure if this is a concern that cis women have, but I would see the possibility, and also men's general lack of knowledge around it, and the confusion they'd have to wards the bins.  You'd never know that they'd think they were, or what they'd put in them.  I've heard stories about tuna sandwiches being put into bins in soley female bathrooms and stinking the place out, and they should have known better really!
  •  

mac1

Quote from: Taka on October 19, 2014, 08:13:36 AM
there should be one unisex urinal room, one unisex stalls room, and one unisex room for the paranoid.
....................................
That would be a total waste of space and money. Just one unisex restroom would suffice - possibly with a separate urinal room but that again would be discrimination and separation. What is so wrong with just one unisex room as long as it has private stalls? Safety for all would be greater based on having more people present at any time and there would be no preferential treatment for anybody. Separate facilities will actually make it easier for a pervert who wants to attack somebody as they will be more likely to be alone and defenseless.
  •  

mac1

Quote from: lxndr on October 19, 2014, 08:31:15 AM
How do you feel about a bathroom with a sign saying transgender on it?
...................................
How about a sign like my avatar?
  •  

Just Shelly

My belief is if you don't appear as the gender of the bathroom you are using then you shouldn't be in there. I don't care how one feels, if your in a dress but have a half shaven beard or sound like a man, then use the men's or don't go at all.

I was getting gendered well before I came out, but I still used the men's room, only after I started feeling awkward in the men's did I start using the women's....but I would always first look for a unisex if available.

Once I went FT it was a no brainer of what bathroom to use!!
  •  

Adam (birkin)

I'd be pissed and I'd never use it. I look like a man and there is no reason for me not to use the men's. Plus, depicting trans people as a "blend" is insulting...for some it would trigger dysphoria, for those who are post-op and look cisgender the symbol does not apply.
  •  

Shawn Sunshine

I think i would just be happy with Unisex Toilets, but many many more Unisex Toillets. I wan't to see those replace the typical male/female restrooms. To a point I suppose.
Shawn Sunshine Strickland The Strickalator

#SupergirlsForJustice
  •  

suzifrommd

Quote from: Just Shelly on October 19, 2014, 04:14:06 PM
My belief is if you don't appear as the gender of the bathroom you are using then you shouldn't be in there. I don't care how one feels, if your in a dress but have a half shaven beard or sound like a man, then use the men's or don't go at all.

Seriously! If I don't pass, I don't get to use the ladies'? Is that what you're saying? If my voice isn't good enough or if my hands are too big, I have to go to the men's room?
Have you read my short story The Eve of Triumph?
  •  

Devlyn

Quote from: Just Shelly on October 19, 2014, 04:14:06 PM
My belief is if you don't appear as the gender of the bathroom you are using then you shouldn't be in there. I don't care how one feels, if your in a dress but have a half shaven beard or sound like a man, then use the men's or don't go at all.

I was getting gendered well before I came out, but I still used the men's room, only after I started feeling awkward in the men's did I start using the women's....but I would always first look for a unisex if available.

Once I went FT it was a no brainer of what bathroom to use!!

Sad.
  •  

Just Shelly

Quote from: suzifrommd on October 19, 2014, 04:48:41 PM
Seriously! If I don't pass, I don't get to use the ladies'? Is that what you're saying? If my voice isn't good enough or if my hands are too big, I have to go to the men's room?

If you have to rely on a letter written by a therapist proving your correct gender.....then maybe you shouldn't be in that restroom. Yes basically, if you look like a man in a dress then use the men's. Frankly I get sick of hearing about how someone's rights are violated because they're looked at differently when using the women's room, but a unisex is available.

I have seen many genetic (at least I think) women in the restroom that probably don't "pass" per say. The one reason I am fairly certain that they are genetic is because they are not dressed in stilettoes with a cheap wig. I'm sorry if I had my children in there at the same time, I would leave quickly or come back. Would I say something, or do anything hateful or harmful to this person....NO! but it is my choice to not let my children share this space with them.

I avoided all restrooms in my in-between stage, even though I was being gendered female consistently. For myself I didn't feel right since my name wasn't changed and still working somewhat as a man.

I have felt this same prejudice when using the men's room for the last 5-7 times, it was really scary at times even though I went straight to the stall.
  •  

AdamMLP

Quote from: mac1 on October 19, 2014, 03:25:37 PM
How about a sign like my avatar?

That would be fine because it's not a sign for a "transgender bathroom", it's for a unisex one. Nothing wrong with those.
  •  

Sephirah

Just a quick note, folks. This thread isn't about who should or shouldn't be allowed in which bathrooms. And I would ask that we try and keep the discussion on the subject at hand rather than go down a road which may well wind up offending a lot of people and breaching the site terms of service with regard to suggesting parts of our community are less legitimate, real, or deserving than others.

Thanks.
Natura nihil frustra facit.

"You yourself, as much as anybody in the entire universe, deserve your love and affection." ~ Buddha.

If you're dealing with self esteem issues, maybe click here. There may be something you find useful. :)
Above all... remember: you are beautiful, you are valuable, and you have a shining spark of magnificence within you. Don't let anyone take that from you. Embrace who you are. <3
  •  

Rachel

In the therapist building if all the bathrooms said trans I think that is odd. In my therapist building the bathroom says bathroom.

In public if all bathrooms said trans I would think that is very odd. I think the word bathroom would be better.
HRT  5-28-2013
FT   11-13-2015
FFS   9-16-2016 -Spiegel
GCS 11-15-2016 - McGinn
Hair Grafts 3-20-2017 - Cooley
Voice therapy start 3-2017 - Reene Blaker
Labiaplasty 5-15-2017 - McGinn
BA 7-12-2017 - McGinn
Hair grafts 9-25-2017 Dr.Cooley
Sataloff Cricothyroid subluxation and trachea shave12-11-2017
Dr. McGinn labiaplasty, hood repair, scar removal, graph repair and bottom of  vagina finished. urethra repositioned. 4-4-2018
Dr. Sataloff Glottoplasty 5-14-2018
Dr. McGinn vaginal in office procedure 10-22-2018
Dr. McGinn vaginal revision 2 4-3-2019 Bottom of vagina closed off, fat injected into the labia and urethra repositioned.
Dr. Thomas in 2020 FEMLAR
  • skype:Rachel?call
  •