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How uncomfortable are you around cis-folk of your physical birth gender?

Started by Satinjoy, November 09, 2014, 06:31:27 AM

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Carrie Liz

Pre-transition, I had a hard time with them. I always felt like an outsider in groups of guys, and they constantly did and said things that made me roll my eyes, and often made me downright mad that I had to be stuck being seen by society as a member of the same sex as them.

Pretty much every time I was in a group where machismo was going on, guys being guys, dirty jokes, stupid s***, too much drinking, bragging, showing off, swaggering, I just wanted to leave. I shrunk into the corner, as far away from them as possible, and just couldn't stand being around that behavior. Even though technically socially I was male at the time, I definitely always felt like the girl of the group every time I was around a group of guys, and just tended to shrink away from them and wonder what the hell could possibly be going through their heads to make them act like that.

So yeah... when machismo was going on, it made me pretty uncomfortable. I actually had to leave a room sometimes, go outside and  cry for a while, maybe even just scream into the sky, just to get out the frustration of dysphoria that resulted from knowing that THESE were the people that everyone expected me to be like.

Not being forced to be male against my will, though, has significantly helped me get over my misandrist tendencies and view men and masculinity as different, yes, but still valuable. The big difference is that now when men act with machismo, it's not an insult to me anymore, it's actually a compliment, because it highlights my femaleness by contrast. Plus estrogen decided to make me attracted to guys, so I can't find it in myself to be uncomfortable around them anymore, I find a vast majority of the things they do to be downright charming and sweet. Getting over dysphoria heals a lot of hurt. I remember someone saying "I don't mind living in a man's world as long as I can be a woman in it." I guess I'm starting to feel the same. Guys can be guys, and I'm okay with that, as long as I don't have to be one of them. :P And where being treated like a guy by a group of guys ALWAYS made me feel uncomfortable, there's almost never a time where guys are treating me like a girl where I feel uncomfortable. (Aside from the ones who decide to hit on me and are very insistent about it to the point where even after saying no, I have other plans, they still keep pushing. That's the only time I'm uncomfortable around guys nowadays.)

I still don't really relate to them, and they still make me roll my eyes from time to time, but the actual discomfort and feeling of needing to get away has thankfully gone.
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captains

I strongly prefer the company of women to that of men. It's a double-edged sword. Women afford me in-group status, which is safer, and kind of nice. I like having female friends. But also it can be profoundly uncomfortable at times, and nothing will make me blanche faster than a casual, "You know how it is, girl!".

I am a vocal feminist, which some men don't like, and read as gender non-conforming ("butch"), which is equally unappealing to the same type of man. That, in combination with my sometimes-aggressive desire to accepted as a man/not-woman by other guys, sometimes leads to me getting into fights with that kind of dude. Especially when alcohol is involved. It's not uncommon for me to end a night waving a beer around and telling some ->-bleeped-<- to, eh-hem, "suck my dick." Lots of reactionary machismo on my part, but with such a low tolerance for offensive jokes or sexist remarks that I never manage to fit in.

I do have guy friends, and they're all good people. Wish I had more. But women tend to find me charming in ways that a lot of men find threatening, so that's rough.
- cameron
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Shantel

Quote from: captains on November 09, 2014, 09:27:02 PM

I do have guy friends, and they're all good people. Wish I had more. But women tend to find me charming in ways that a lot of men find threatening, so that's rough.

I find from a retrospective self examination along with that of a lot of former male friends, that they have been ingrained with a lot less flexibility in mentally accepting different or odd forms of behavior from genetically born females. It has to do with the girl next door pedestal mentality and when that image is suddenly shattered by a wild non binary dickweed type, they flinch and scurry for cover. It's not your fault, it's something they all have to overcome and get over, those that can't don't get to be buds with you and it's probably their loss.
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captains

Quote from: Shantel on November 10, 2014, 02:09:37 PM
I find from a retrospective self examination along with that of a lot of former male friends, that they have been ingrained with a lot less flexibility in mentally accepting different or odd forms of behavior from genetically born females. It has to do with the girl next door pedestal mentality and when that image is suddenly shattered by a wild non binary dickweed type, they flinch and scurry for cover. It's not your fault, it's something they all have to overcome and get over, those that can't don't get to be buds with you and it's probably their loss.

This response meant a lot to me today. Thank you for your insight, Shan. :)
- cameron
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Randi

Although born male, I have been an active member of the League of Women voters for over 15 years.  I am frequently at functions where I am the only male.  I feel very comfortable and at ease in these social situations.

I can't imagine being in a similar group of men.  I find sports bars intimidating.

At family gatherings, such as Christmas, when the men go to one area and the women another, I'm always with the women. My sisters-in-law and nieces phone me frequently and seem to forget that I'm not really a woman.  I never hear from my brothers-in-law and nephews except in a most perfunctory manner.

Randi

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Asche

I've never been comfortable with men.  I've learned to deal with them, and even care about them sometimes, but when I'm with men, especially groups of men, I feel like I have to have my guard up all the time.  It's like I'm hanging out with scorpions, who at any moment might decide to sting me for their own incomprehensible reasons.

I guess it's more accurate to say I don't really feel safe around men.

FWIW, I get the same feeling with some M2Fs.
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Kendall

I feel uncomfortable around cis-folk.
Sometimes, it's like walking on eggshells and nails.
I'm alright with my family and close friends.
My family at least loves and accepts me, unlike what I've heard happened with others
My mother is very understanding and helpful.
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JulieBlair

I work with men and women equally well.  Many of the men in my life are affirming and generous.  A few think I am strange and creepy, and a few think I am exotic and interesting.  The people I play with are also mixed, and also mostly delightful.  Sports bars - went into one once and left quickly.  Not my venue of choice.

But I pick where and how I interact with folk male and female.  I present as a woman and am treated mostly with respectful courtesy.  It is sort of like the rest of my life.  When I'm comfortable they are too.  When I'm not comfortable it's ciao.

Julie
I am my own best friend and my own worst enemy.  :D
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KittyKat

I don't think I have any real problem being around guys, but I don't see myself making that many new friends that are guys. I probably see myself dating a few in the future. Sometimes I do get kinda scared of a significantly large amount of guys, but I kinda did even before transition, I'm the one the cried in a locker during basic training when I was fresh in the Army.
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Wild Flower

.... I make more male friends. I only make female friends if they are much older or much uglier than me. Or they are very pretty.... but the average female doesnt like me. Usually. Its like they see me as competition... ugly ones just need any reassurance, and pretty ones are confident enough to not care. I dont see much of hate from females at the moment... just indifference.

Guys are usually my friend unless they are afraid of me... its like.... "oh my gawd he can turn guys gay" fear.  Or... they really hate my guts.... that hasnt happen in over 8 months.... but it was because I was acting really annoying like I was 19. But i never let that side of me show anymore.... it was only during that era of my life.


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Nowadays people just like me... people may think Im just weak. Im just there right now.  But if you talk crap about me.... at least 3 guys in my office will defend me.  Lol.

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Really... im accepted by all people. I adapt to my surroundings. I had poor white trash females as friends to hillbilly guys to hippy guys to gay guys to asian guys to straight military guys to urban ghetto guys.... yeah...
"Anyone who believes what a cat tells him deserves all he gets."
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JulieBlair

Quote from: Wild Flower on December 14, 2014, 01:05:25 PM
.... I make more male friends. I only make female friends if they are much older or much uglier than me. Or they are very pretty.... but the average female doesnt like me. Usually. Its like they see me as competition... ugly ones just need any reassurance, and pretty ones are confident enough to not care. I dont see much of hate from females at the moment... just indifference.

Guys are usually my friend unless they are afraid of me... its like.... "oh my gawd he can turn guys gay" fear.  Or... they really hate my guts.... that hasnt happen in over 8 months.... but it was because I was acting really annoying like I was 19. But i never let that side of me show anymore.... it was only during that era of my life.


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Nowadays people just like me... people may think Im just weak. Im just there right now.  But if you talk crap about me.... at least 3 guys in my office will defend me.  Lol.

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Really... im accepted by all people. I adapt to my surroundings. I had poor white trash females as friends to hillbilly guys to hippy guys to gay guys to asian guys to straight military guys to urban ghetto guys.... yeah...

You would be a gas to go have lunch with.  Hee Hee  ::)
I am my own best friend and my own worst enemy.  :D
Full Time 18 June 2014
Esprit can be found at http://espritconf.com/
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shimmeringbluorb

Quote from: Satinjoy on November 09, 2014, 06:31:27 AM
I am quite uncomfortable around the born-male.  I am accutely aware that I am fundamentally different  from them, and always feel that pressure from them to be like they are, which would be torture to me now, there is no way.... the more butch they are, if you will, the more I feel like hiding from them, running.

How about you, among those born in your physical birth gender?  (at least, physical from the point of view of a couple organs that are used by docs to define us, wrongly.)

SatinJoy

I am MAAB. I feel different when being around males. It feels like I  don't fit in with them. I can act the part of being male for a bit but it causes me a lot of internal anxiety. I find it hard to have a conversation and feel comfortable. i feels so awkward and requires a lot concentration on my part. I can't relate to males, I try but it just does not feel right.
With cis-gender women or other trans* i feel much more comfortable and can converse. I don't feel anxiety or awkwardness.
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Kelly_1979

Lately when I'm around guys I feel a  bit uncomfortable. When I'm talking to a guy but there are also girls nearby I feel closer to the girls and the feeling of pretending is intense.  Though I don't like girls that are bossy or try to take advantage of me (learn things I know without giving anything back).
When I'm around guys and they talk about typical guy things, about their girlfriends etc it feels awkward.

There is a girl that some time ago I had a crush on (but she has a serious relationship) that I feel kinda close.  I don't know if she knows anything about my issues (I might have given a few clues now and then with wearing girl jeans,  nail polish and making comments on her outfit but I don't know) but I feel comfortable around her - almost like a friend. Every time I  notice she forgot something (like her blouse or some papers or other things) I remind her.  I don't know if that behavior is "girly" but it seemed weird not to remind her.
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Azeri

I am kind of uncomfortable around ladies.  It's like around those who are almost girly and always have small talk and chatter don't seem to understand how forward I can be, and I just generally don't get the chatter.

I also don't have that many female friends.  I feel most comfortable around guys, a point that drove my mom nuts to no end.

She always got her pants in a wad whenever I spent the night with one of my best friends during high school college-- even though we were strictly platonic, and sometimes I needed it for shelter from her, since she's a little... overbearing at times.

We just played games, and drew, and discussed things.  Nothing serious. :-\
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Terra13

I've never fully transitioned(yet) but I'm somewhat comfortable around men, at least the ones that I share some interests with. I'm more comfortable around more feminine men than masculine men, though, and I tend to be more comfortable around gay men than straight.

Groups of men do often make me uncomfortable, though. Moreso when I'm dressed or acting in any sort of feminine way. I often feel the need to pretend to be less feminine than I am when in groups of men. I'm probably most comfortable around women and other transgender people.
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wanessa.delisola

I'm uncomfortable around people! Doesnt matter if man or woman, cis or trans. Sometimes I dont think I was suppose to be human at all lol.

I'm really not a big fan of people in general. What is very weird, because both my jobs forces me to connect and talk to people. Weird... but I dont think that this has anything to do with my being trans. I'm just weird!
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Zedan

Can I be the one person that is so ultra picky in life I don't even see people in gender forms? While I'm comfortable in general with women and less so with my "brothers" I also get scared to heck in a large group of anybody. Also all but one of my friends in high-school were girls but there was one guy, who was so nerdy and so out there that we just clicked. Had he been gay I think I might had have a romantic relationship for once, damn. So I think with me it's more like "Are you an oddball in your community of people? Are you scorned or forgotten at the best of times and focused and laughed at the worst of times? Do you need some one to just listen to your issues/crazy dreams? If yes to anyone to any two of these questions, lets talk. No more then five applicants need apply!" more then "Oh you're a women, I like women, can I talk to you?" No, my people skills are too awful for that.
As always, thank you for your time. Z was here.
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Lady Smith

I look on males as being a different species, - a dangerous and unpredictable species who are best avoided, - so yes I'm not comfortable at all around cis-folk who match my assigned at birth gender.
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Tessa James

Oh to see some of the old names and people i miss like Satin Joy and Julie on this thread, sigh. 

My discomfort around cisgender straight males has increased since transition.  All the years of having to deal with guys acting like guys because I looked like one are now years ago.  What a relief not to put up with that competitive machismo!  I love individual men.   I am now much different, however, and feel far less confident about understanding their intentions.

When I did live as a man the feeling of being discovered as fake left me with sort of a conditional camaraderie among men, too often thinking if they knew the real me rejection would follow.  That didn't turn out to be accurate either so there are insecurities of my own to face.  Interesting ride.
Open, out and evolving queer trans person forever with HRT support since March 13, 2013
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