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Do I Look, or Could I Pass, as Female? 4.0

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evecrook

Quote from: androgynouspainter26 on March 22, 2015, 06:42:35 PM
Of course, I mean I'm already growing it out.  You have to understand, in it's current state this style is pretty much the only option I have, and I'm a few years away from getting to a point where it's good.  Once I get there, if it looks good, I really hope it does...idk.  I'm gonna put a pink hi light in it, that's not something I'm so ready to give up!
My hair is getting to where I want it. Its grown pretty fast . I'm thinking maroon streaks.
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Shawn Sunshine

 :icon_female:  :icon_chick:  Hi there my Sexy Susan's Sisters and Beautiful Brothers and everyone under the Sun. I went to church today, determined to be a little more bold and classy and feminine, given my stature and only being on hrt for 5 months. I am not that great at applying makeup or eyeliner/eyeshadow/browliner so far eithier, but you be the judge. Tell me if I am getting closer to female. Tell me if I am getting closer to adrogynous. Or just tell me what you think in general please. I hope everyone has a blessed day if possible. Love and Sunshine   :angel: :icon_bunch:

*Edit*   For a frame of reference Let us see my 1.5 month picture on HRT and short buzzed hair vs Today at nearly 5.5 Months



































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ImagineKate


Quote from: Shawn Sunshine on March 22, 2015, 07:05:51 PM
:icon_female:  :icon_chick:  Hi there my Sexy Susan's Sisters and Beautiful Brothers and everyone under the Sun. I went to church today, determined to be a little more bold and classy and feminine, given my stature and only being on hrt for 5 months. I am not that great at applying makeup so far eithier, but you be the judge. Tell me if I am getting closer to female. Tell me if I am getting closer to adrogynous. Or just tell me what you think in general please. I hope everyone has a blessed day if possible. Love and Sunshine   :angel: :icon_bunch:






























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Getting closer but I'm more a fan of the closer to natural look... Also I'd say shape the brows. Made a huge difference for me it will for you too!
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Mariah

Definitely more neutral colors for the makeup would work better for you.
Mariah
Quote from: Shawn Sunshine on March 22, 2015, 07:05:51 PM
:icon_female:  :icon_chick:  Hi there my Sexy Susan's Sisters and Beautiful Brothers and everyone under the Sun. I went to church today, determined to be a little more bold and classy and feminine, given my stature and only being on hrt for 5 months. I am not that great at applying makeup so far eithier, but you be the judge. Tell me if I am getting closer to female. Tell me if I am getting closer to adrogynous. Or just tell me what you think in general please. I hope everyone has a blessed day if possible. Love and Sunshine   :angel: :icon_bunch:






























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Shawn Sunshine

well i did have my brows waxed and used a pencil and brush on them, they don't look this thick or dark or tall in the mirror, the camera on this mac is adding too much there for some reason. But yeah i know lol. I will try more smokey natural tones sometime soon but, I just wanted to do the pink and blue girly thing.

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Shawn Sunshine

I am pleased with my hair for sure, all my life I have cut it off and went straight and short. These are my natural curls, natural color of my hair, only thing added was a leave in 7 in 1 conditioner.





QuoteGetting closer but I'm more a fan of the closer to natural look... Also I'd say shape the brows. Made a huge difference for me it will for you too![ /quote]

What is considered natural though? What is in that range?

I desperatley need help in learning how to paint/draw and shape brows     :-\
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MacG

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Quote from: ImagineKate on March 22, 2015, 01:52:42 PM
The side is looking very femme to me.

The front is less so but this highlights one of the things pointed out - your hair style. Change that and you would probably be surprised.

Then again it sounds like you want to detransition so I'm not going to try to convince you otherwise. Best of luck in life.
Totally cute. Nothing wrong with your hair.
Sure, make-up would look less andro, but I really don't see a problem here.

Um I meant to quote painter's post, not the response.

LoriLorenz

Beautiful Sunshine!

I think your hair is awesome. For the sense of not wanting to get stares, a more natural look and shaped eyebrows would do wo nders for you, but GAWD ALMIGHTY you are a personality to behold and don't ever dim that!!!

Painter,

If you feel a need to detransition, then be free. Don't torture yourself over it. I rather like the colour in your hair, but then I've always been rather partial to purples.

Ladies, all of you. Be you to the full. Be-a-u-ti-ful.
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Gabrielle_22

Quote from: Shawn Sunshine on March 22, 2015, 07:05:51 PM
:icon_female:  :icon_chick:  Hi there my Sexy Susan's Sisters and Beautiful Brothers and everyone under the Sun. I went to church today, determined to be a little more bold and classy and feminine, given my stature and only being on hrt for 5 months. I am not that great at applying makeup or eyeliner/eyeshadow/browliner so far eithier, but you be the judge. Tell me if I am getting closer to female. Tell me if I am getting closer to adrogynous. Or just tell me what you think in general please. I hope everyone has a blessed day if possible. Love and Sunshine   :angel: :icon_bunch:

*Edit*   For a frame of reference Let us see my 1.5 month picture on HRT and short buzzed hair vs Today at nearly 5.5 Months



































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Hey there Sunshine,
firstly, kudos to you for being brave and going out. Keep building that confidence, and don't let anyone stop you.

I echo what the others have said about makeup generally so far, but I would also add that a useful general rule is that, if you aren't going for a neutral palette, to emphasise either the eyes or the lips (or, in rare cases if you have a fantabulous blush, the cheeks), but to not try to draw too much emphasis to both at the same time. This isn't a hard-and-fast rule--really, makeup is ultimately about what makes *you* feel good--but it's a useful general tip, especially when you're starting off. If you do too much, you risk visual chaos, and if you're worried about passing, visual chaos will draw attention that will get you read more quickly. I like your lip colour, so maybe a softer eye--and I would avoid going so deep with the liner/shadow-as-liner. Keep practicing and you'll get better and better. Once you have more practice under your belt, you'll learn what rules to keep and which to break!
"The time will come / when, with elation / you will greet yourself arriving / at your own door, in your own mirror / and each will smile at the other's welcome, / and say, sit here. Eat. / You will love again the stranger who was your self./ Give wine. Give bread. Give back your heart / to itself, to the stranger who has loved you / all your life, whom you ignored" - Walcott, "Love after Love"
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Gabrielle_22

Quote from: androgynouspainter26 on March 21, 2015, 07:29:45 PM



I don't know why I'm posting even more of these (no makeup this time, unflattering light, etc), I feel like I'm just torturing myself.  But if it's never going to happen and I need to go back, so be it.  I was utterly and completely miserable as a man.  But, hey, it's not like I'm any happier now-except now people stare at me in public and I have to worry about getting attacked every time I leave the dorm room/being totally unemployable.  My voice is good.  My posture is bad, but I'm working on that.  My hair is growing out now, it's a mess.  And I've been on HRT for two years...I wonder, since my cheeks have filled out, I've actually been finding that some of my masculine features are more prominent since my cheekbones are less visible.  I wonder if that means I should try to lose some weight?  I don't know. 

If I'm never going to pass, it goes without saying I should detransition, I'm not prepared for the social cost of being out to EVERYONE I meet, weather I like it or not.

Aside from what everyone else has said--I'm not lying when I say you're, firstly, like your name--androgynous. From the side, from different angles, etc.--I could easily imagine people seeing you and taking you for a cis-girl, while at other times, you seem more teenage-boyish--and the latter is partly because of your glowering expression in many of the photos. Smiling doesn't make anyone female, but glaring is a bit more likely to make you look masculine if your features are already ambiguous or not 100% passable--and in your case, it does. I also find that the photos of you I've seen with makeup, like your avatar, look more feminine--and I mean passably so. The HRT has already given or helped give your face a very smooth, youthful appearance that visually helps it lean towards female; if makeup will help push you over the visual boundary into the female range, and if you enjoy wearing makeup in general (as I do), then that is one option. Another option will come as you grow out your hair. Some girls look boyish when they tie their hair back, but a lot more 'feminine' when they let their hair down; the same may be true for you. Again, long hair has no inherent connection to femininity, but everyone has different features to work with, and having your hair frame your face, or in a high fanned-out ponytail that shows off your beautiful curls, might help. I myself was convinced for a long time that I couldn't wear my hair back and pass, and I still hate my profile when my hair is back (though I'm pre-HRT, so things may or may not change for me). But if I tie my hair up high, it gives a visual effect that doesn't detract so much from my femininity, and I feel I pass better.

You sound to me like you'll be much sadder if you detransition--so keep at it. No, you're not 100% passable, but you're definitely androgynous, and I think visual cues, like certain kinds of makeup and hairstyles, will help you tip the balance in your favour. When I wear lipstick, I feel more likely to pass. This is me--no one should be forced to wear makeup--but I know it helps me feel more passable. You look good in your avatar with the colour you're wearing. And you have lovely curls. Grow out your hair and see where it goes from there. At very least, give yourself until your hair is below shoulder-length.

Good luck with whatever you decide to do--but don't give up just yet, if you can.
"The time will come / when, with elation / you will greet yourself arriving / at your own door, in your own mirror / and each will smile at the other's welcome, / and say, sit here. Eat. / You will love again the stranger who was your self./ Give wine. Give bread. Give back your heart / to itself, to the stranger who has loved you / all your life, whom you ignored" - Walcott, "Love after Love"
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androgynouspainter26

Is there any way, do you think, that I could pass 100% of the time?  This is very important to me.
My gender problem isn't half as bad as society's.  Although mine is still pretty bad.
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kittenpower

Quote from: androgynouspainter26 on March 22, 2015, 09:06:29 PM
Is there any way, do you think, that I could pass 100% of the time?  This is very important to me.

Have you considered gaining a little weight; I think that it would have a good feminizing effect on you.

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androgynouspainter26

Quote from: kittenpower on March 22, 2015, 09:15:44 PM
Have you considered gaining a little weight; I think that it would have a good feminizing effect on you.



Funnily enough, I have been putting on a few pounds and my face has actually looked a bit MORE masculine because my lower cheeks are now filling in and it makes my jaw look more prominent.  I'm considering trying to diet again. 
My gender problem isn't half as bad as society's.  Although mine is still pretty bad.
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evecrook

Quote from: androgynouspainter26 on March 22, 2015, 09:06:29 PM
Is there any way, do you think, that I could pass 100% of the time?  This is very important to me.
honestly and I have never said anything on this site that was not my true belief. You are truly within the normal boundaries  for how the  cumulative average sample of the way woman look. Honestly , your not Marilyn Monroe or Greta Garbo , but they are one in a quadrillion
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Serena

Quote from: Abysha on March 19, 2015, 06:39:10 PM
Ok, beautiful folks.  I've lost about 20 pounds or so since I first uploaded a picture (right after I joined).  A lot of the brutish features I didn't like I think were due to my weight.  I'm still pre-HRT so I know a lot will change (going to get electrolysis, as well).  I've already decided to use it as my avatar but here it is, anyway.

What effects do you think HRT will have on my jaw/chin area?  Just filling it out would be handy maybe.  In your experiences with HRT, does a lot of the sharper testosterone-poisoned edges smooth out beyond just the cheeks?

Is there hope?



Oh well I can just say it depends on people, but there is no hope in my opinion most of the time, unless you talk about fat added to that area through hrt which would look like adding pounds instead of losing them, which will round your face out but usually a square chin will stay that, I have a square chin myself... Can't wait to get enough money for ffs. Good luck!
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Serena

Quote from: androgynouspainter26 on March 20, 2015, 01:08:25 PM









Again, please be honest.  This time isn't about feeling good about myself, it's about weather or not I should detransition.

Now there is a lot of tall girls out there, have you tried adding hair? Extentions or maybe a wig for the moment, it's really good to use one while you try to grow your hair, and you should try not to dye them or do anything that will damage, and a wig will protect your hair and help them grow faster, longer hair help passing very well... I think the only problem you have is a square chin like me, I think you might want to see if you would like ffs or not, it's kinda a personal thing, I hate my chin, so I will definitely see if I can get my chin to be rounder and more feminine, but besides that I think you look very feminine, and you're really skinny... I'm jealous.

Also don't listen to this people hating on your hair texture, it's beautiful and natural, just keep it that way if you want or just do whatever you want, if it was longer, it would be even prettier! Good luck on growing your hair out! Also maybe try hairfinity or some pills for hair growth, usually they help with shedding or making them softer or silkier, and less damaged.
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ImagineKate

Quote from: androgynouspainter26 on March 22, 2015, 09:06:29 PM
Is there any way, do you think, that I could pass 100% of the time?  This is very important to me.

No.

Not even cis women "pass" 100% of the time.

There is no such thing as an absolute. There is in fact an extremely passable trans woman on this forum who said that she was sir'ed the other day... it can and does happen. Meanwhile I go out with a shadow and no makeup and get nothing but ma'am and miss, and even get bounced out of the men's restroom... Go figure.

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Serena

Quote from: Jasriella on March 20, 2015, 01:32:55 PM



Maybe you should try wear some make up, I don't know if you are or not from the picture... Nothing too crazy especially if you're not really good at it. Maybe you can try brush your wig too a little more, and definitely a closer shave or a good Concealer /Foundation to cover the 5 o'clock shadow, and if you can go somewhere to get your eyebrows done and then buy a eyebrows plucker, and pluck anything that will grow, so you can maintain the shape they gave you, or look for tutorial on youtube. Good luck!
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Serena

Quote from: Eevee on March 20, 2015, 05:00:21 PM
I decided I wanted to look pretty today. I hope I pass well enough. I've been on HRT for almost 6 months now.



I feel like you don't really need to spend a lot of time trying to look pretty... Gorgeous and no need of asking, yes... You do pass fabulously!
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Serena

Quote from: TheRealMeMsKylie on March 21, 2015, 07:55:54 AM
I'm hoping this link will work because for some reason I can't post any pics from my phone, you will have to just scroll down a bit to see the two pictures I believe.

Anyways this is me, no hormones yet but I'm 3 laser hair removals in which is working quite well so far. Going to be starting HRT in May, which I'm beyond excited for, to really get to start my journey.

Let me know what you all think [emoji4]

http://therealmemskylie.tumblr.com/post/114188077777/tried-on-a-new-dress-tonight-feeling-good

That's such a cute dress, looking lovely :) and you're at a great start, showing people you don't need HRT to pass!
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