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Do you feel special and blessed as a transsexual?

Started by Teri Anne, August 13, 2007, 03:03:31 AM

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Christine Eryn

Cursed is more like it. I wonder as a female in a previous life, I did something really really bad. :o I would be blessed to have started life itself either in the right body or without this brain. Blessed to maybe have been born in this time where the technology for change is available.
"There was a sculptor, and he found this stone, a special stone. He dragged it home and he worked on it for months, until he finally finished. When he was ready he showed it to his friends and they said he had created a great statue. And the sculptor said he hadn't created anything, the statue was always there, he just cleared away the small peices." Rambo III
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Berliegh

Quote from: Christine Eryn on September 01, 2007, 12:48:40 PM
Cursed is more like it. I wonder as a female in a previous life, I did something really really bad. :o I would be blessed to have started life itself either in the right body or without this brain. Blessed to maybe have been born in this time where the technology for change is available.

I feel the same.....but disagree about technology......there is very little technology available these days, than there was 20 or 30 years ago. I'm hoping eventually they will be able to find the technology to make hormones work properly.....once we are well past puberty (30's or 40's) hormones do very little..

Also psychiatrists and therepists need more education into the needs of transexuals and not all transsexuals are only interested in just genital surgery, some like myself are more interested in physical change...i.e fat distribution and a more female appearance..

For many people being transsexual is a real curse and even harder if you don't entirely pass as a female..
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Teri Anne

Hormones, of course, can help with "fat distribution and a more female appearance" but no amount of fat distribution is going to change bone structure that gives some of us very broad shoulders or prevents us from having stereotypically female hourglass figures.  But, over time, GENETIC women over 50 face the same problem of losing their narrow waists.  Women over 60 can get thinning hair.  Older women's voices are lower in pitch than teenage girls' voices.  Smoking can cause some older genetic women to have lower voices than most of us.

Some have the perception in the TS world that ONLY young TS's have it good.  As time goes on, older TS's like me find life easier as genetic females' features change.  We blend in with them.  We may not look like young Vogue models but neither do the genetic women of my age.  Like genetic females, we older TS's also become less obsessed with APPEARANCE as we get older and discover there can be more to life.

We may not feel "blessed" but fitting in can give us something better than being "special" - having peace.

Teri Anne
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Rachael

thats  what i feel, younger has it harder, as we have a greater physical image expectation on us....
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Teri Anne

Rachael,
When I first transitioned (in 1997), I subscribed to a few women's magazines and all they did was make me feel sad.  The beautiful women were something I couldn't identify with.  Surprise!  Genetic women have the same problem.  They, too, cannot compete with photos of beautiful models.  And, of course, even the models are not perfect enough -- the photos are airbrushed to make the models even more perfect.  For anyone who subscribes to such magazines, my first suggestion would be to cancel them all.  Today.

I'm sure you know that genetic teenage women torture themselves over beauty and it's a leading cause of depression.  Please just consider that you have physical attributes I will never have and that you will, if you choose, have the option of a longer life as a woman.  Being a woman, contrary to society's stereotype, is more than outward appearance.

It's what's IN you.

Teri Anne
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Melissa

Quote from: Teri Anne on September 06, 2007, 01:40:00 PMHormones, of course, can help with "fat distribution and a more female appearance" but no amount of fat distribution is going to change bone structure that gives some of us very broad shoulders or prevents us from having stereotypically female hourglass figures.
Well then, I certainly won't be giving HRT credit for my narrow shoulders, normal sized hands and my "stereotypically female hourglass figure". ::)
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Rachael

yeah, im not very male shaped, but thats another story. and no, i do subscribe to teen society, because thats my world, i cant say 'eff you' to the world and be a loner hippey, im a 20 yearold girl at university. and i want to be stylish, fashionable, and popular, if that means dropping a pound or two so i look extra awesome in that dress for friday night, so be it. thats part of the life i should have, im not being lazy, my peers arnt.
R :police:
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Teri Anne

My ex (who I'd lived with for 21 years) told me, during my transition period, "if you are dead on a morgue table, your bones will show that you are male."  Harsh words but, yes, she's correct. 

I've moved beyond the point of worrying about things too much.  It's like the saying about not worrying about weeds.  We all, genetic and TS women alike, have weeds, be it physically or mentally. 

I have smaller bones/physique than most males and some women are larger than me.  But such thoughts are just weeds.  Look out...There's sun glistening on the water.  There's a cloud crossing the sky.  We need to think OUTSIDE ourselves.  I get tired of TS angst and like to think of other things.  That, for me, is where true happiness lives.

This is not to say that I wasn't obsessed before transition.  But now, I think of other things...

Teri Anne
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Teri Anne

Sorry, Rachael.  While my comment about not thinking about TS things might seem idealistic, it is, when you get through transition, what I think we might all aim towards...

It's not always possible.  I, too - even after transition - fall into fits of depression due to societal bigotry regarding transsexualism.  Comedians, especially, seem like something I have to try to avoid.  People like Bill Maher, despite their supposid liberalness, seem to like "guy in dress" jokes.  While it's been awhile since I've worn a dress, it still hurts.

So, my thought of looking outside yourself is not intended to be a boastful thing...it is, instead, a suggestion of how to deal with all the crap in the world.

Teri Anne
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SarahFaceDoom

Quote from: Teri Anne on September 06, 2007, 02:13:33 PM
Being a woman, contrary to society's stereotype, is more than outward appearance.

It's what's IN you.

Teri Anne

Truer words have not been spoken.  Weirdly after the physical things I have done to my body, all it's done is allowed me to finally see better past the aesthetics of everything and take myself and the world more on their inate values.

Which isn't to say I don't enjoy looking good.  But it is to say that I try not to hinge my self-worth on it.
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Berliegh

Re: Do you feel special and blessed as a transsexual?
Nope!
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cindybc

Hi,

Well at one time I would have said no, it felt more like something evil wanting to posses me and fifty years ago there wasn't anyone where I could go to consult about these thoughts and feelings. So I kept it inside of me for all those years thinking I was going to go to hell. I dropped out of the church and stayed away from any church for fear that they would find out some how, yes paranoia, big time. I will tell you about why the paranoia. I am an empath and can feel peoples' feelings and even their thoughts at times and since I had this ability.  I thought that those in authority could do the same with me.  Needles to say I spent to many years with my friend paranoia and his twin low self esteem of myself.

I only just wish I had known years earlier that this was Gender Identity Disorder/Gender Dysphoria and was treatable.

Anyway, I was volunteering as a support worker at a walk-in center for street people in the basement of an Anglican church and I got to be pretty good friends with the lady minister to that church.  One day I got the nerve to go to talk to her about my problem, GID.  I was so scared, thinking that I would not only lose her as a friend but that she would say I was going to hell in a hand basket.

Not at all, I was lucky that she knew some about people like me and recommended that I go see my shrink and have a talk with him as well, that he would most likely know where to direct me to get the proper treatments. He did, and five years later I came out full time. I was finally liberated and began my new life as my true self. So I feel blessed for finding out who I am and I love the person I am.

Cindy   
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Butterfly

Most of the time, we think we aren't special because we believe that something's wrong with us.  That's just rubbish.  There's nothing abnormal about us.  We can all be happy.

I also think that the best solution for our feeling of alienation is to socialize and communicate with other people. Explore the background around us. It's like let's not put ourselves in a box...instead, let's go beyond that box and see what more life can offer.

if only you knew that being alone and depressed is a choice.  ~sigh~ - be open to new things, go out and find someone to share some time with.
take them to your place, get to know some one, let loose. ;)
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NicholeW.

Quote from: Butterfly on September 11, 2007, 04:20:23 AM
Most of the time, we think we aren't special because we believe that something's wrong with us.  That's just rubbish.  There's nothing abnormal about us.  We can all be happy.

I also think that the best solution for our feeling of alienation is to socialize and communicate with other people. Explore the background around us. It's like let's not put ourselves in a box...instead, let's go beyond that box and see what more life can offer.

if only you knew that being alone and depressed is a choice.  ~sigh~ - be open to new things, go out and find someone to share some time with.
take them to your place, get to know some one, let loose. ;)

Excellent post.

So many do not through fear of reception, unwillingness to leave the old ways, lotsa different things. People just do not want everything to change. I cannot blame anyone for that feeling, but, hey! the world does change, constantly.

Best thing in the world: find a life that doesn't center on a fantasy: either on the web, in your room or in your mind. Find a life that is something a bit more tangible, a bit more centered in a physical reality.

The big question is can I make and remake my life and walk through that as me? And that is the test each and every human being must pass.

BBs and chats are great: I can discover information, that I am not alone, I might even make a friend or three.

But, does it dawn on me that I might make ten or fifteen friends with a life that centers on where I am in my physical world? That there are women and men on this planet who are not ts who can be accepting and friendly and just find me to be who I am. Ya know, not a woman with an asterisk, but a woman?

At first it didn't. I was as frightened as anyone else. But, after awhile I found either I was to have a life, or I was to have a fantasy.

Am I blessed? Yes. I have certain physical features that have been blessings. But, when push comes to shove those features do not gain me any friendships. They haven't made my professors give me grades, nor have they made me any friends. Personality, expression, overcoming fear, a willingness to risk myself: those have been blessings that I grasped for myself.

I am blessed, but not just as a ts, as a human being, like every other human being.

Nichole W.

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Quote from: Butterfly on September 11, 2007, 04:20:23 AM
Most of the time, we think we aren't special because we believe that something's wrong with us.  That's just rubbish.  There's nothing abnormal about us.  We can all be happy.

I also think that the best solution for our feeling of alienation is to socialize and communicate with other people. Explore the background around us. It's like let's not put ourselves in a box...instead, let's go beyond that box and see what more life can offer.

if only you knew that being alone and depressed is a choice.  ~sigh~ - be open to new things, go out and find someone to share some time with.
take them to your place, get to know some one, let loose. ;)
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Nigella

Quote from: Teri Anne on August 13, 2007, 03:03:31 AM
I know what some will say -- Yes, I TOO had plenty of tears throughout my life because of gender dysphoria and, for me, it was "transition or die."  Unfortunately, I definitely underestimated the grief and suicidal thoughts I'd encounter in the process of transitioning




Teri Anne

Hi Teri,

I don't feel it is a blessing, in fact I call it a curse. I had thought's again last night of why I can't die. Sometimes I wish I could. it seems it would be easier than living with GID. Sorry to seem depressed I don't mean to. I would not wish this on my worst enemy (hope I really don't have any, lol).

As you have said it is transition or die, is that a choice?

hugs

Nigella
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Teri Anne

Dear Nigella,
I (and probably many in this room) can relate to what you say.  I vacillate between thinking of it as a curse and thinking of it as something that just IS.  I can't get excited enough about it to consider it a "blessing" regardless of what extra insight transitioning has given me.  People who endure wars can appreciate life more or, contrarily, can get bogged down with post traumatic stress.  Psychologists say that when you endure extreme pain, that incident can become something you "churn" about over and over.  Post Traumatic stress therapists use Cognitive Therapy as the best solution -- it teaches you that it's not the incident that is so terrible but rather how you choose to think about it.

Regarding suicide, I find that when I begin thinking about it, I instantly get very sad.  It can easily bring tears to my eyes.  Rather than wallowing in it, though, I've come to realize that my reaction is probably good for my health -- if I'm sad at the prospect or even thought of death, that must mean that, deep down, I have a need or WILL to live.

Another aspect that tempers any suicidal thoughts I may have is the realization that, for friends and family, suicide of a loved one can be a torturing thing.  So, instead of me being the only one that's tortured, my death could create a small GROUP of people what would forever wonder what they could have done or said -- they would be forever tortured.  Though I may sometimes be selfish, my bottom line is that I have no desire to pass my torture to them.

Nigella, you asked if "transition or die" is a choice.  Yes, it is a choice, a good choice, for many of us who choose to live.  One of my favorite sayings is:  "the meaning of life is find out what happens next."  You'll never know what might happen if you choose death.  If you're philosophical like me, curiosity will rule over self-torment.  I want to see what's going to happen next...

And, of course, there's a third choice.  Please don't get attached to the "transition or die" mantre that many of us in this room have expressed.  There is a third obvious choice:  Continue as you are and forget about all this gender stuff.  People who have panic attacks are sometimes told to just concentrate on OTHER things around them, a table, a chair, a shoreline, a tree. 

Life is not just inside us but is OUTSIDE us, too.

Looking carefully at the wonder/miracle of nature can be a calming thing.  Sometimes, NOT transitioning can be the best choice.  When you're transitioning, it can become an all-consuming thing.  After transitioning, if you're like me, you'll say, "Okay, now that's done.  Now what?"  You can't keep obssessing over gender forever because you've crossed the bridge.  You've checked it off.  You have to find OTHER THINGS to do.

You can go directly to the OTHER THINGS and skip the transitioning stuff.  It's a perfectly acceptable third choice.  Remember, Cognitive Therapy teaches us YOU control how YOU think about something traumatic.  The trauma should not control you.

Teri Anne
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cindybc

Hi Nigella

Well your free to make any choice you want, but to be honest with you if you are truly TS there is only the two choices as mentioned bellow, transition or suicide. Obviously I picked the former. I was fortunate in many ways in the sense that once I made the decision and made whatever arrangements I needed to do that were necessary, like change of ID hormones and a good shrink, and in as stable and orderly sense of mind as I could. I just stepped out that one morning as Cindy and never looked back. I was surprised as to how well things turned out. I was actually supported by the girls at work and was never given a hard time by anyone at work or out in the community. And this was in one of those typical small town where everybody knows everybody. There is light at the end of the TS tunnel, you just have to get serious about transitioning and do it.

With Love

Cynthia 

Posted on: September 11, 2007, 04:26:02 PM
Hi Nichole

Hmmm, about fantasy, during the hard parts of my life that finally lead to transitioning I wrote six children's fantasy novels. It was my way of escaping reality and played the role of the main character in my stories. I am quite grateful that I spent all that time in fantasy, it was an escape from the big bad world out there. It turned out that writing those six children's novels was what gave me hope and the strength to keep going until I made up my mind about transitioning. All that book writing actually opened the conscious mind to many possibilities of the different potentialities here in this life and beyond this reality.

"Hee, hee." I can quite assure you that I am more sane now then I ever was in my life and I still write now and again as a hobby.

Cynthia
 
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Wing Walker

Quote from: Teri Anne on August 16, 2007, 02:07:56 PM
Regarding technology helping transitioning:  Medical technology has come a long way.  Hopefully, medical research will one day kill the psychobable that labels transsexualism as a mental "disorder."  That diagnosis just FEEDS the bigotry of society thinking that, "Aha!  I knew they were crazy." 

***Break In Quote*****

I once read that Christine Jorgensen, despite being at what most would consider the infancy or dark ages of our ability to transition, felt that, in some ways, she had it easier than us today.  She said that, in her days of transitioning, most people in society did not know about that possibility and, thus, she could be more stealth and blend in. 

I've said, like some have here in this post, that my trauma is directly related to my perception of how society treats me or people of my kind, TS's.  If I was on an island by myself, there would be no trauma...I'd still be happy that I made the choice to have the operation, even if I was the only one that knew about it.

*****Break In Quote*****

Is calling yourself "blessed to be TS" some kind of self-protective illusion?  An illusion that helps us to survive?  I do understand, more, the argument that "I'm glad I'm a woman."  The road, for me, to get there, though, was so filled with ruts and depressions, I'm still shaken and, admittedly, wounded (I'm sorry if this sounds like self-pity but I'm trying to be honest).  Maybe, like any traumatic event, some of us undergo Post Traumatic Disorder (oh, dear, another disorder!).  But it's not all my fault:  I'll live my life as a woman and then, just when I think things are going nicely, HAVE TO REVISIT the TS world when I have to admit to a loved one (prospective mate) things about my gender past.  That is something a genetic woman never has to face.  I'm still hoping to find some more positive way of looking at it from your posts, so I appreciate your help.

For now, for me, being transsexual just "is."  Like water flowing down a river and out to sea, it couldn't be stopped.

Teri Anne

Hello, Teri Ann,

I have read many of your posts in this thread and what you write makes sense to me.

For many years I believed that my transsexuality was a curse because there it was, me as I saw her, and all I could do is imagine my dream.  After I turned 50 I decided that I had lied to myself long enough and I began research on transitioning.  What a relief that was!

Like you, I believe in a Supreme Being and when I made my prayers to this Being I gave thanks for having been allowed to be born transsexual.  After my first session with a gender therapist, the knowledge that I really am she who I had been eluding and chasing at the same time was intoxicating!  I still give that thanks.

Am I blessed?  I am in the respect that I have lived in both genders in the same lifetime, that I did not opt for suicide or do-it-myself surgery; that I had the psychological, psychiatric, and medical help available to help me find my way, and that there was a whole lot more information and acceptance around when I began my transition than there was when I first tried on my sister's skirts.

We do create our own suffering, comfort, joy, or misery.  I have my depression and anxiety under control with the help of medication and a caring psychiatrist.

I am simply a woman, a woman first and always, making my way as all of us must.  What is special and a blessing is what's within me, who she is, and how she goes about her business.  Bone size ratios make no difference to me because, as you said, it's only in autopsy that anyone will measure my bones and when they do I'll be long gone.  I have observed younger women and there are many who are taller than me, with thick temporal bones, shoulders wider than their hips, small or no visible breasts, and no observable fat or cellulite on them.  I worked for one who fit that description.

I am blessed more than I can understand, not for what I am, but for what that has allowed me to become.

Thank you for hearing me out, Teri.  I'll be reading and learning.  And so my river flows.

Wing Walker
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Berliegh

...it's like saying...'do you feel blessed you were run over by a truck'....
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