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Legal for therapist to call the cops?

Started by makipu, December 07, 2014, 09:17:53 AM

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makipu

It's my first time here in this section. I want to know if it's a psychologist's right to call the cops on me because I didn't "promise/gave my word" that I wouldn't hurt myself. I already HATED therapy of any kind to begin with and now I know that I will never go to one. 
I am male because I say so and nothing more.
I don't have to look or act like one therefore.
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mac1

I don't know where you live. However, in the U.S., in some states it is required of medical professionals.
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Clhoe G

No they can only call the police if you say your going to hurt yourself/someone else and I think they can call em if you say your going to commit a crime or just recently committed a crime.
Thank-you scorpions...

For looking like Goth lobsters.  :laugh:

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makipu

It's not a crime or hurting someone else. I have no business with the human kind whatsoever.  What happened in summary is this:  The therapist whom I just saw 3 times (who is also in the LGBT clinic I go to  where I see my family doctor) sent me a message to schedule an appointment and I sent him a message back saying I can't at this time because I am in a bad mood and I don't want to live (now, even though this is the wording that the therapists look for I HAD SEEN MANY therapists in the past and told them this very thing as well as hurting myself -the parts in the body that are female specific- and they never mentioned calling the cops nor did they when I saw them for much longer than I saw this new guy)  So then he apparently messaged me twice and saying that he is 'required by his supervisor' to call the police if he doesn't hear from me and I didn't even check me email at the time so yesterday morning he calls me from a private number and I talk to him and asks me how I am feeling and if I am going to end my life and wants my word that I don't. Now I am not going to lie to the guy here so I told him I can't promise anything nor will I let anyone know if I do try because this is MY BODY therefore my business and specifically told him that I don't want to deal with the police because I hate dealing with people in general.
10-15 minutes pass and all these cars 4 cops are at my door.
I don't want to even mention the trauma that only added to my PTSD here but in the end they left.
I LOATHE THIS GUY no doubt even if he was doing his "job".

Right now, I don't even know if I can even see my family doctor now which is in the same clinic... If he comes up to me by chance, I will tell what I exactly feel however.
I am male because I say so and nothing more.
I don't have to look or act like one therefore.
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Clhoe G

That's no good, but it sounds like his genuinely trying to help you as best he can, like as much as it must really suck that he would do such a thing, maybe it's a good thing that he cares so much. 
Thank-you scorpions...

For looking like Goth lobsters.  :laugh:

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-Jimmy fallon-

Wow, I could have sworn I've been on HRT for longer.
O well this ticker will help me keep track.

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Brenda E

In my state, licensed counselors are professionally bound and required to notify appropriate authorities (cops, hospital, doctor etc.) if they consider there to be an imminent and significant risk to the safety of the patient or others.  (As any responsible person should, by the way, not just counselors; ignoring warning signs is irresponsible.)  The situations in which a counselor can and must call the authorities will be clearly listed in the agreement you sign before receiving counseling; it's fairly specific and narrow, and generally talking about suicidal thoughts is nowhere near enough to trigger such a call.

Your therapist did the right thing.  To be honest, you had opportunities to avoid the outcome - you had implied that you were going to kill yourself, and if you were not going to harm yourself then you merely had to placate him and say something like, "Sure, I promise I'm not going to harm myself," and you would have been left alone.  If you genuinely were thinking of harming yourself and couldn't make such a promise, then of course you should expect professionals who are responsible for helping you to do their best to help you.

Many therapists have dealt with the actual suicide of a patient; it's traumatic.  It's not a subject they take lightly, nor is it something we, as patients, should take lightly either.  No crying wolf when it comes to suicide.  No games.

Sorry I can't side with you on this and say your therapist was wrong or heavy-handed.  He did what he thought was best - even went out of his way to look out for you - and it sounds like the safety protocols worked as they should.  That's a good thing.

Please get the help you need.
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makipu

Thanks for all the honest responses. I know they did their so called jobs nor am I seeking people to side with me here but I swear I am never going to talk to any therapist ever again. I had more harm than good from them at an overall level.
I am male because I say so and nothing more.
I don't have to look or act like one therefore.
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Deborah

I had to sign a paper with my therapist acknowledging he would call the police if he thought I was in danger of harming myself or if there was evidence of child or elder abuse.


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Clhoe G

They can help a lot but sometimes they really suck, like I had a lot of issues when I was in school and one of em was gender dysphoria, but they constantly kept pushing me n pushing me, trying to find out what was stressing me out n making me angry or act up all the time, but I flipped out one day n the next time I seen em I told them straight, I don't want to talk about my issues, it pisses me off, I told em that I really didn't want to be there and after that, everything just turned to small talk n almost became like friends, even my mum came in one a week n we basically just talked without the usually therapy thing n it really worked like therapy for me, so if you do decide to go back, it could be a good idea to point out your limits to him, even tell him the stuff that he's really pissed you off, he'll listen n back off to a point that's best to help you.
Thank-you scorpions...

For looking like Goth lobsters.  :laugh:

Quote.
-Jimmy fallon-

Wow, I could have sworn I've been on HRT for longer.
O well this ticker will help me keep track.

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Brenda E

Quote from: makipu on December 07, 2014, 10:13:51 AM
Thanks for all the honest responses. I know they did their so called jobs nor am I seeking people to side with me here but I swear I am never going to talk to any therapist ever again. I had more harm than good from them at an overall level.

That's a reasonable approach: you gave therapy a good try and it didn't work for you.  It doesn't suit everyone.  Promise us one thing though?  You'll find someone you can talk to if things ever get bad? :)
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makipu

Thanks for your concern Brenda but I also can't promise that...Like I noted previously I specifically wouldn't tell anyone when/if I do something to the body that is mine (as much as I hate the disgusting parts). I see life nothing but pain anyways.

By the way Deborah, I don't remember signing any papers of that kind with this doctor. I only remember signing a paper to have prescribed testosterone before but that's all I know.

Apparently, it shows at least in this experience that the LGBT related doc cares about a patient at a different level than  "normal doctors" (my mom's wording to refer to non LGBT places) because what I told the previous doctors didn't really differ from what I told this guy.
I am male because I say so and nothing more.
I don't have to look or act like one therefore.
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mac1

Quote from: makipu on December 08, 2014, 11:32:43 AM
Thanks for your concern Brenda but I also can't promise that...Like I noted previously I specifically wouldn't tell anyone when/if I do something to the body that is mine (as much as I hate the disgusting parts). I see life nothing but pain anyways.

By the way Deborah, I don't remember signing any papers of that kind with this doctor. I only remember signing a paper to have prescribed testosterone before but that's all I know.

Apparently, it shows at least in this experience that the LGBT related doc cares about a patient at a different level than  "normal doctors" (my mom's wording to refer to non LGBT places) because what I told the previous doctors didn't really differ from what I told this guy.
Did you sign one relating to the "HIPPA" privacy act?
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makipu

I am not sure, I might have?  Is this one of the papers you sign when you first go to a doctors' office?  I didn't pay close attention and I am not going to ask them if I did or not but could I have seen doctors if I didn't?
  I mean to say, are they required to have it signed? 
I just know that I didn't sign anything with him.


Slightly off topic but I was wondering if anyone knows if hypnosis would work at least in my conscious mind to forget this event?
I am male because I say so and nothing more.
I don't have to look or act like one therefore.
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Ms Grace

Not to take the therapists side but you essentially indicated you might be considering self harm or suicide. We don't know how many times he has heard clients say that and then carry through with the threat. It's distressing enough to hear the threat but would be utterly devastating when it is actualised.

Quote from: makipu on December 08, 2014, 11:44:56 AM
Slightly off topic but I was wondering if anyone knows if hypnosis would work at least in my conscious mind to forget this event?

Unlikely, besides the last thing you want is a repressed memory of a traumatic event.
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AnonyMs

Quote from: makipu on December 08, 2014, 11:44:56 AM
Slightly off topic but I was wondering if anyone knows if hypnosis would work at least in my conscious mind to forget this event?
I'm trying to be constructive here, so instead of forgetting perhaps you could learn something from it. Giving a doctor or therapist the impression that you're at risk
is asking for a lot of trouble (help). I can understand why you did it, as I kind of have the same attitude, but we don't live in isolation and sometimes you just have to deal with other people a certain way or face the consequences. Its not necessarily right or wrong, fair or unfair, it just is.

I'd also say that the point of seeing a therapist or psychiatrist (and I'm doing both) is to get some help. Don't look at it as them being in charge and doing something to you - your buying their service, you're the customer, and its all for you, not them. If you give up on them then you're cutting off a big piece of the help you can get, and its only going to hurt you, not them. I'd suggesting finding a way of dealing with them so that you can get what you want out of it (life's a lot easier if you can get people to do what you want, so its a useful skill). If you can't do that then perhaps you really do need to see a psych/therapist ... tricky that.
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makipu

Yeah, I definitely learned loads from this. I will make sure to keep my mouth shut and will never talk to a mental specialist ever again. I don't need people getting into my personal life if that's the way they help that's for sure. I am an introvert anyways.
I am male because I say so and nothing more.
I don't have to look or act like one therefore.
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Beth Andrea

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Therapy can be a good thing...but not if you toy with the the*apist.

To say you intend to harm yourself, or are planning it (and have taken steps to accomplish it), and then act all hurt because your Therapist betrayed you...


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Sincerely Tegan

Quote from: makipu on December 07, 2014, 10:13:51 AM
Thanks for all the honest responses. I know they did their so called jobs nor am I seeking people to side with me here but I swear I am never going to talk to any therapist ever again. I had more harm than good from them at an overall level.

I'm sorry that you're in a bad place, however I really hope that you overcome this bias against the medical community. What you essentially did was threaten to end your life, and then you refused to even check in to assuage the concern of the person you had reached out to. I'm curious, why tell the therapist you want to kill yourself if you don't want anybody to stop you?

Your therapist's job is to keep you alive. You scared them and they responded appropriately.

It seems like you need help, and that a huge part of you wants it. Allow help to be provided. Please.

Things will get better if you let them. PM if you need somebody to chat with or lean on. I'll do what I can.

Hang in there,
Tegan
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Shodan

Quote from: makipu on December 07, 2014, 09:49:04 AM
It's not a crime or hurting someone else. I have no business with the human kind whatsoever.

This is false, absolutely and unequivocally false.

I know this because I was there. Trust me, I've said that same thing to myself. I've attempted suicide on three separate occasions because I hated my life so much that I thought that I mattered very little to this world, and there was nothing I could do to make it better. Hell, it got so bad that I was even hospitalized for a week after one particular attempt.  I've been there, and my heart hurts in empathy because you're there right now.  So, please listen to me when I say this:

You matter. I know your brain will look on those words and recoil at them like salt to a slug, but that doesn't diminish it's truth. You matter.  One of the hardest lessons I ever learned was that I mattered, and that hurting myself hurts them too. I was 40 when I learned this. Please, please listen to me and take this to heart and be a smarter person than I.

There is hope.




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mac1

Quote from: makipu on December 08, 2014, 11:44:56 AM
I am not sure, I might have?  Is this one of the papers you sign when you first go to a doctors' office?  I didn't pay close attention and I am not going to ask them if I did or not but could I have seen doctors if I didn't?
  I mean to say, are they required to have it signed? 
I just know that I didn't sign anything with him.


Slightly off topic but I was wondering if anyone knows if hypnosis would work at least in my conscious mind to forget this event?
All of my doctors have requested to have it signed to start and again once a year. It is a "CYA"  paper for them.
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