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Started by ChiGirl, January 20, 2015, 06:05:13 PM

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alexbb

See thats proper advice! I hope my noobish drivel helps a bit but this above is the real stuff.

Mallory

Quote from: ChiGirl on January 24, 2015, 11:49:52 AM
Well, it's been almost two days since I told her.  She is mad and not talking to me.  All she thinks about is how I lied to her all these years.  And I did.  I don't expect her to forgive me.

I just don't think she really understands this.  She got mad at me saying I came out to her.  "You're not gay! That's what coming out means!"  I think she really thinks this can be cured or suppressed. And I'm at the point where I feel like it's transition or die.  If I have to go back to living as a man, I'll just not care about myself.  I don't want that to happen.

I'm really sorry that you're having to go through such a difficult situation.  Having just recently came out to my ex-spouse I know how emotionally rocky it can get.  Her and I were working on getting back together.  We've both said we still loved each other and that whatever happened to cause our separation and divorce was the wrong answer.  We have two small children together and it's made it much harder with me being so far away (thousands of miles).

I randomly outed myself to her a few nights ago.  She had almost the exact same reaction as your spouse.  "Why didn't you tell me?", "I don't even know you.", "Why have you lied to me for so long?", it went on and on until eventually she stated, "I don't want to know you or for you to be involved in my life anymore.  I'm moving on."  It was the worst case scenario and it hurt tremendously.  It's made me have doubts about transitioning and like I need to rewind back to that night before I said anything and duct tape my mouth shut.

She made it all about her instead of attempting to be supportive and it's been like this since I've known her.  Although it hurts something terrible, she is or was the love of my life, it has opened my eyes to the type of person she really is and I deserve better.  What is so incredibly unfortunate about all of it is that it's made me go back into an in-denial, fear of rejection and loss mode that has made me question, yet again, my motives and feelings regarding all of it.

And that's exactly where my therapist will come into play hardcore.  Since you're already speaking to a therapist I would definitely speak to him or her about everything and get the help you need to navigate through all of this, whether the final outcome includes her or not, for your own piece of mind.
Carpe diem.



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JoanneB

If it is any consolation it has taken my wife about 5 years to really get over her sense of betrayal. For over 30 years I was "just a CD" untill the T-Bomb got dropped. She still isn't thrilled, nor cares too much for the direction things are going with me, but is no longer upset over the "Why".

Can't wait to see what develops for "Bargaining". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%C3%BCbler-Ross_model
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ChiGirl

Thanks, Joanne and Nikki.  I don't expect her to get over this right away.  I'm not that crazy, but I would like us to try and work on it.  All she wants to do is yell and scream and blame.  I would like her to talk to some people who could actually help, but she doesn't "believe" in therapists.  Like they're leprechauns or something.

I'm no angel.  My GD has turned my depression into anger and I've gone off on fits of rage.  I've broken things in the house.  I've scared my wife and daughter.  I hate myself for it.  But I feel every time I've tried to atone, she decides that's the time to remind me of awful I am.  And the cycle starts again.  My family wants nothing to do with her.  She wants me to cut out my family entirely.  I am stuck.  I am getting to the point I'm willing to give up any custody of my daughter just to be free of my wife, but I guess that's what keeps me going. I love my daughter.

Thanks again for listening.  I really need to find a local support group so I stop all yall. [emoji13]
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ChiGirl

My wife has said she will stand by my side and help me through this. BUT, she firmly believes I am a man and that I know it.  She will help me feel like a man.  In fact, she thinks my therapist is making me think this way.
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Cindy

I'm not sure if this is helpful or not.

I do community therapy and as part of that have access to professional therapists with vast experience for guidance.

They made the comment that for couples they need to talk to the couple together and separately. Even for wives that appear to be accepting when speaking as a couple they usually revert to referring to their partner with male pronouns when talked to alone.

Most relationships fail. Some of course succeed.

I would plan for the worse and hope for the best.

Many transwomen in divorce settings end up giving much more away than they legally need to, from some sort of 'guilt' feeling.

Do remember if the worst happens you will need money etc to support your life, it is not your fault that you are trans* and very few transwomen go into a marriage with any desire to hurt their partner. Indeed most go into the relationship in some hope that they will be 'cured' from being trans*. Or that their transgender character appears later in life.

It is a very tough situation for all concerned and my heart goes out to all involved.
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ChiGirl

Thanks, Cindy.  It's all very helpful.

I never expected the marriage to survive.  At this point, I think it's better we separate, but my wife refuses.  She won't get a divorce and now appears to be attempting to "cure" me. 

I understand her anger.  She's given up a lot for me, but she's given up things she never needed to give up or things I didn't want her to give up.  She selfless, but sometimes to the point of trying to be a martyr.

Thank you for listening. [emoji18]
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ChiGirl

Well, my wife snapped.  She spent our therapy session (technically mine that she demanded to go with to) screaming at me that I'm a man, I've always been a man, and I will die a man.  Then she twice threatened to kill herself if I thought about transitioning. 

I cracked.  I told her I choose her and I would work on my feelings.  I told her I was worried I would come to resent her, but she swore she would work to not let that happen. 

Less than a day later, I already resent her.  I am so angry that she is so manipulative to pull this on me.  She has problems that go beyond our marriage, but she won't accept that.  SHE'S fine.  I'M the one with mental illness. 

I don't know what to do.  If I go backwards at all, I don't know if I can live with myself.  I'm still exercising and eating right, but if I can't be who I am, I don't feel it's worth it.
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Paige

Quote from: ChiGirl on January 31, 2015, 09:54:22 AM
Well, my wife snapped.  She spent our therapy session (technically mine that she demanded to go with to) screaming at me that I'm a man, I've always been a man, and I will die a man.  Then she twice threatened to kill herself if I thought about transitioning. 

I cracked.  I told her I choose her and I would work on my feelings.  I told her I was worried I would come to resent her, but she swore she would work to not let that happen. 

Less than a day later, I already resent her.  I am so angry that she is so manipulative to pull this on me.  She has problems that go beyond our marriage, but she won't accept that.  SHE'S fine.  I'M the one with mental illness. 

I don't know what to do.  If I go backwards at all, I don't know if I can live with myself.  I'm still exercising and eating right, but if I can't be who I am, I don't feel it's worth it.


Hi ChiGirl,

What did your therapist say while all this was going on?

Life definitely isn't easy sometimes.
Hope it starts to get better,
Paige :)
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ChiGirl

Thanks, Paige.

My therapist knew she was a handful, but I don't think he expected this.  He was concerned for our safety, but more importantly our daughter's safety.  He made me come up with an action plan if either one of us trues to hurt ourselves.

She also kept screaming about my taking hormones making it sound like that's all I talked about.  I brought it up once among other things that would be needed if I transitioned.

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JoanneB

No doubt she is using emotional blackmail to manipulate you. No doubt that you feel like you do now. I feel so sorry for you both. I cannot imagine how badly you must be feeling for your daughter. This must really really hurt.

It might just be a case of too much too fast for her. Too much might even be TMI. You seem unsure as to what path you are going to wind up on. Uncertainties may be feeding her anxieties. I'd also try to stop that equating HRT with transitioning.

Transition, is to change. Something you want to do, need to do. Change does not have to mean blow it all up and start all over again. I've been on HRT for 5 years now. I still present male. I changed a TON. Like you said, the depression leads to anger. One of the few emotions men know and are allowed to feel. Hell encouraged to feel! Just the other day I had a "WTF am I doing???" meltdown after my TG group meeting.  The pain of dealing with the dysphoria often seems much more intense then it ever was. I don't like feeling pain, feeling depressed, feeling like a failure, etc.. But then I got to thinking. I FEEL. I actually feel an entire spectrum of emotions now from great joy (the previous evening) to profound sadness (that morning). I can enjoy the beauty and wonder of the world around me.

All entirely new to me. I am a beginner. A mere emotional infant. I don't have 50 years of driving experience with these. But you know.... as much as it all scares me, as painful as falling down is, it beats the crap out of being the walking dead I was.

My wife has also seen these changes in me. She has accepted that transition, embraces it, encourages it. It took time for her to notice but she has. I know.... the situation for us is not yours. But, still pretty bad with the absolute chance of her committing suicide, between dealing with me, me and trans, and her health issues.

If you can, keep up the work on your emotional health. I went through a ton of different self-help books favoring the ones that fit my philosophies on life, yet alternate ones were good to explore too. A for real gender therapist is especially important if you are not actively working towards a full-time transition, rather trying to figure out how to manage life as it is now.

So by her definition you are not actively "transitioning". In fact you are, in truth, sorting out how to manage being male.

God, grant me the Serenity to accept the things I cannot change. The Courage to change the things I can. And the wisdom to know the difference.
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ChiGirl

Thank you, Joanne.  Wise words.  Yeah, probably tmi.  She wanted honesty and now look where that got us. 

I have to look at this as a journey, not a destination.  I want to be a better person.  I think just admitting to myself has done a great deal for my self-esteem.  It's going to take time. 

You gals are just so awesome.  I always feel better coming here.
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Alana_Jane

Hang in there ChiGirl, this storm too shall pass.  Now that you've embraced your true self, the rest will come in its own time. 
Hugs

-Alana
Alana - Beautiful/Serene/Awakening
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CaptFido87

Hi ChiGirl, I'm sorry for all of this. This is so tough and really hard for a person. Here I'm just worried about losing a few friends in the process, when that's very insignificant to someone like you, who has a daughter and a wife. Losing a family is one of the hardest things I could imagine.

The hard part here is trying to get your wife to understand, which is likely that she probably never will. She's a regular cis woman. She can only think female thoughts, it's how her mind works. Where as we have the female thoughts but the body of a men. It's nearly impossible to show the difference. They simply just won't get it.

One of my friends dad is a mtf transgender. The wife understood kind of where he was coming from but said she could not live as a lesbian. She meant them no disrespect, but she said it would never work. So they ended up splitting. I can really only see this happening to you in the near future, which is unfortunate. Your wife might not fully understand the whole word of being transgender and perhaps she's too afraid of losing you.

I would ask her how she feels. Ask if the reason she feels that you are a man is because she's afraid losing you or ruining the marriage. maybe she's worried of the effects it'll have on the daughter. This is where the therapist won't be able to help. She needs to understand the truths of life. You need to have a one on one conversation. Get out everything you can on each persons opinions. If she says it's all a lie or whatever bs she can think of tell her its over. Tell her you want to be happy, and if that means splitting up then it's the only solution. I don't want to play the hands of fate here, but if she can not accept you for you, then the time for moving on has come.

Best of luck friend, you can talk to me anytime. I'm here for you

Marty (Sammi)
Hi I'm Marty. I'm a MTF Transgender who wants nothing more than to finally let Samantha (Sammi) come out and play.


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ChiGirl

Thanks, Marty/Sammi  (do you have a preference?)

First, don't be sorry.  We all have our problems we face and I never want to compare my suffering to others.  Truth is once I get past this problem, a lot opens up for me.  I have finances and family on my side.  Even if the worst happened and I couldn't see my daughter, she'll be 18 in a few years, and will have the choice to be in my life or not.  I hate feeling like I'm complaining.  I'm just so stumped on how to handle my wife, apart from just divorcing her straight out.

I know what she's feeling.  She doesn't want to be alone.  She does love me, but she's more driven by this fear of being alone. 

Thanks so much for your thoughts. 
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CaptFido87

Quote from: ChiGirl on February 01, 2015, 04:59:24 PM
Thanks, Marty/Sammi  (do you have a preference?)

For now it's Marty, until I can truly start living. Someday down the road (Hopefully soon) I'll be ready for Sammi ;) She's a bit too wild for even me right now lol. No preferences, Whatever you feel is better :)

Well now that we understand its the fear that's causing all of this, I hope you'll be able to figure it out. Losing someone who's been so important in your life, has to be among the tops for pain and suffering. I wish there was more we could do for you other than just giving advice. We've got your back through all of this.

Do the best that you can.
Hi I'm Marty. I'm a MTF Transgender who wants nothing more than to finally let Samantha (Sammi) come out and play.


As of: 03/07/2015
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ChiGirl

RANT ALERT!  BE WARNED!  POSSIBLE TW!  SORRY!

I don't know what I'm going to do.  My wife has told me in no uncertain terms that she will kill herself if I even consider transition.  She expects us to grow old together and if we don't, and once our daughter goes away to college, she will have nothing and she will kill herself.  It feels more like manipulation than a genuine threat, but I gave told her, and I meant it, that if I cannot at least consider transition down the road and I have to go backwards and live as a man completely, I will go back to my old habits and probably eat myself to death. 

I know it's only been 3 weeks and I've been dealing with this for 35 years.  She needs time.  But I also know my wife.  She holds on to grudges.  She's mad at people for insulting her but she can't even remember what they said, only that she felt insulated.

I see my therapist in a few hours and she's supposed to see someone tonight.  But I feel like everything will still be the same tomorrow.  I just want to get away from her but I am afraid what she'll do.  Hurt me?  Hurt herself?  Out me on Facebook?  She's threatened all three.  I'm ready to check myself into the hospital to have time away.  That is how messed up this all is. 

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CaptFido87

Gosh that's terrible. I wish there was more I could do to help you. If she's threatening herself with suicide, It might be best to put life on hold until you can get her stable again. We don't want anything bad to happen to her or you. This is now getting serious. You guys need to see a doctor or a therapist now.

I'm sorry for your struggles. You got lots of family and friends here for comfort.
Hi I'm Marty. I'm a MTF Transgender who wants nothing more than to finally let Samantha (Sammi) come out and play.


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JulieBlair

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Hi ChiGirl,

Three years ago I began my journey to my authentic self.  I was not taking hormones, nor was I in therapy, I was reading all I could find and trying to locate myself under all the fat.  Running and walking and biking and diet have made a huge difference, and for me was necessary before I entered the psychic space to transition.  Still my wife pulled most of the manipulative strategies you describe.  We began couples therapy and I was screamed at, my gender identity denied, and one night I was assaulted.  The insistence that I had mislead her and the description of me as a betrayer of her trust  Had me questioning both my motives and my integrity.

All those behaviors were fear driven, and I bought into her issues for most of a year.  She was certain that she would be laughed at as the spouse of a transexual freak.  She was afraid that her future would be alone, that my decision to transition was crazy,  that I would never be accepted as a woman and that she would always be a victim of my search for self.  She is not a victim, and her fears need not be mine.  I did not mislead, nor did I betray.  I lived with the best understanding that I could muster at the time.  The betrayal portrayed was to choose life over continued sadness and depression.  That is not betrayal, that is survival.

I've been on HRT for thirty months, living full time for eight.  We are separated and the divorce will be complete sometime over the next few months. 

She is still alive and beginning to even treat me with courtesy.  She will never use my name, she will never call me by my gender.  But that is not my issue.  I am no longer invested in her rage, hurt, perception of betrayal or anything else.  It all passes, it is her burden and no longer mine.  You are not mentally ill.  You are a soul seeking yourself.  Keep seeking.

Living authentically is a pilgrimage to self.  Like all odysseys it has many detours and may change in nature or scope as it goes along.  There is no one path, there are no fixed milestones.  For most of us this is not a choice, it is existential.  For decades I felt lonely, angry, different and afraid.  I knew for sure that I was either wrong, bad, or crazy.  Those were all lies.  I live a lovely beautiful life. 

Transition has cost me much of my family and nearly a half million dollars.  So it goes.  I am the woman, friend, lover, person that I have always dreamed of being.  I am sixty-two years old and finally finding the voice of the girl within.  She is kind, honest, and she is me.

You will find yourself, trust it and walk through the fear.  You have help here, you have yourself to discover.

Peace,
Julie
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ChiGirl

Wow.  Thank you, Julie.  I feel for your pain and sadness.  I hope I can summon that courage for myself and truly be the woman I know I am.

Thank you to everyone who has listened to my ranting and raving.
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