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Not all gun nuts are transphobic, apparently...

Started by Beth Andrea, January 20, 2015, 08:24:55 PM

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Dani

I have handled guns for over 50 years. They are just tools of the trade ( farming, military, and law enforcement ) !
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GnomeKid

I believe the two issues are entirely separate.   

Its kind of a shame there is a stigma on that... Not a gun nut (don't think i've ever even shot one), but I also believe in the 2nd amendment.  There are so many guns in this country that outlawing them is only going to mean that amongst regular citizens ONLY criminals own guns... I don't like that one bit. 

I solemnly swear I am up to no good.

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Brenda E

Quote from: lilredneckgirl on January 21, 2015, 07:48:07 AMIm  very  well known  in  my  town.  was  featured  in  a newspaper  reveil  on  transgender  people  in  the  area.  me  being  trans,  is  no  secret  here  in  my  town. 
  Now,  consider,    being  transsexual,  we,  as  a  group  are  diagnosed  with  a  'mental  disorder'.   
  in  relation  to  that,  when  I  applied  for  a  conciel  carry  handgun  permit,  the  prosicuter  who  reviews  the  apps,  mandated  that  I  meet  with  a  counsler  holding  a  pHD,  and  be  cleared  as  mentaly  stable  to  carry  a  firearm.   he  stated  after  im  cleared,  he  would  not  object  to  issueing  the  permit.

A great opportunity to push forward trans rights.  I wonder if the local prosecutor also requires the same psychological clearance for anyone exhibiting any signs of other "mental disorders" listed in the DSM?  Stuttering?  Provisional Tic Disorder?  Female Arousal Disorder?  Gambling Disorder?  Internet Gaming Disorder?  Hoarding Disorder?  Anorexia?  Erectile Disorder?  They're all right there, alongside Gender Dysphoria.

I'd have written a polite letter to said prosecutor telling him to go screw himself and issue the permit, followed with a few calls to various journalists who might need a story if it was denied.
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Zumbagirl

Quote from: lilredneckgirl on January 21, 2015, 07:48:07 AM
Im  very  well known  in  my  town.  was  featured  in  a newspaper  reveil  on  transgender  people  in  the  area.  me  being  trans,  is  no  secret  here  in  my  town. 
  Now,  consider,    being  transsexual,  we,  as  a  group  are  diagnosed  with  a  'mental  disorder'.   
  in  relation  to  that,  when  I  applied  for  a  conciel  carry  handgun  permit,  the  prosicuter  who  reviews  the  apps,  mandated  that  I  meet  with  a  counsler  holding  a  pHD,  and  be  cleared  as  mentaly  stable  to  carry  a  firearm.   he  stated  after  im  cleared,  he  would  not  object  to  issueing  the  permit. 
 
  just  be  aware  of  that  issue  if  you  do  intend  to  move  forward  with  a  permit.

  Ive  been  involved  in  shooting  sports  since i  was  13.   I am  one  of  those  "  gun  nuts".    now  in  my  financialy  secure years,  I  still  hunt  and  shoot,  i  carry  daily, and  I  collect  . 
  in  another  chat  site,  there  were  many  trans  girls  that  also  were  firearm  enthusiests. 
in  my  family,  all  the  girls { my  two  sons  wives}  carry  and  enjoy  shooting. 
  basicaly,  thought  we  are  trans,  we  should  represent  equaly  with  non  trans  women  in  our  interests, persuits  and  hobbies .   


You know you brought up a good point about this mental health thing. A few years ago I decided to run a health record check on myself. I wanted to see what exactly would be contained in my health records. Bear in mind that I paid for my own transition. I didn't do it on anyone's dime, including my therapy. When I got back my medical records that was absolutely nothing about my sex change or therapy for gender transition. No mentions whatsoever. Just that my medical records showed doctor visits and such but nothing beyond that.

Now obviously I am a long time post-op and no longer need therapy so that's all in the distant past, but I decided to run my medical records again late last year and it still said nothing, BUT, on the medical records of my endocrinologist visits in the last few years (which I put through my insurance) it did say treatment for transsexualism.

I worried about this when I applied for my license because I was worried that even the appearance of seeing a therapist would be grounds for denial, especially in Massachusetts one of the gun unfriendly states in the US. In Mass they do check mental health records.

I just dislike the fact that the ability to own a gun and protect one's self is an either/or proposition with a gender transition if it ever came down to it. Gun laws in this country make no sense whatsoever. If more people went through the process of getting the license, even if they had no intention whatsoever of owning a gun, they would see how crazy the laws are.

When I took my classes in concealed carry, which are taught by the police academy instructors they basically said that if I defended myself with a knife if I was being robbed I was 20 times more likely to go to jail from the simple act of defending myself simply because laws on knives are more restrictive. It really was quite an eye opener to understand how the laws work. Like I said it gave me a much better understanding of the police and how hard their jobs are.
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ImagineKate

To me the term "gun nut" is almost as bad as "->-bleeped-<-" but whatever. Some people wear it as a badge of honor, some don't like it.

I am a gun owner, and I own rifles, shotguns and handguns. I even own one of those scary black AR-15 rifles. It has a scope on it so it's an even scarier sniper rifle.

I carry almost everywhere although I do not carry to work (yet) because I really haven't approached it with HR but we have others here who carry so I probably will.

And I am a trans woman. Well look at that! We come from everywhere, don't we?

I am also a libertarian. "Don't tread on anyone."
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ImagineKate

Quote from: lilredneckgirl on January 21, 2015, 07:48:07 AM
  Now,  consider,    being  transsexual,  we,  as  a  group  are  diagnosed  with  a  'mental  disorder'.   
  in  relation  to  that,  when  I  applied  for  a  conciel  carry  handgun  permit,  the  prosicuter  who  reviews  the  apps,  mandated  that  I  meet  with  a  counsler  holding  a  pHD,  and  be  cleared  as  mentaly  stable  to  carry  a  firearm.   he  stated  after  im  cleared,  he  would  not  object  to  issueing  the  permit.

That's crazy. Some states have declassified being trans as a mental disorder.

I live in NJ and they only care if you're committed. They tried to nail a guy for taking anti depressants but he sued and won.

Granted in NJ it is almost impossible to get a carry permit unless you're a former law enforcement officer.
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Zumbagirl

Quote from: ImagineKate on January 26, 2015, 10:14:09 AM
To me the term "gun nut" is almost as bad as "->-bleeped-<-" but whatever. Some people wear it as a badge of honor, some don't like it.

I am a gun owner, and I own rifles, shotguns and handguns. I even own one of those scary black AR-15 rifles. It has a scope on it so it's an even scarier sniper rifle.

I carry almost everywhere although I do not carry to work (yet) because I really haven't approached it with HR but we have others here who carry so I probably will.

And I am a trans woman. Well look at that! We come from everywhere, don't we?

I am also a libertarian. "Don't tread on anyone."


What I have found in my short time in the gun world is that it crosses all socio-economic boundaries. There are liberal gun owners and conservative ones as well. Rich, poor, educated, uneducated, male, female, you name it. When I went through my training the classroom was about half male and half female and this is ultra-liberal Massachusetts. So it's definitely not a "guy thing" to want to own a gun. The only thing I see is that there are only 3 kinds of people: ones who are easily frightened by the mere sight of a gun even if lawfully carried and want them all banned, people who understand the meaning of self-defense in a life or death struggle, and some people who are still on the fence and uncertain.

What I do understand about all of this is that the right to defend your own life from being taken is just as profound a human right as being able to speak freely. That to me is the essence of the 2nd amendment. It's not about overthrowing the government. To overthrow the government in this country it's simple: we vote the bums out and get a new bunch of bums to govern us. The second amendment is also not about armies or state militias. Those will always be needed in times of riots and revolts.

The bill of rights covers people, individuals, not militias or the government themselves. It's about what you say, and preventing the government from unlawfully imprisoning you or depriving your other rights in the process, and as result allows a person to defend themselves from others who would do them harm.

last thing I wanted to say is about this assault weapons stuff. It just doesn't make sense to treat a .22 rifle with great fear and disdain because of the color of the gun or the stock or whether to can be carried over a shoulder or has a certain scope. It's just ludicrous. I almost want gun manufacturers to make guns that look cartoonish and silly just to show how absurd it really is. Make a .22 that looks like Marvin the Martians disintegrator pistol, like a toy. Would that make the anti-gun people happy knowing that it looked silly?
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Beth Andrea

Quote from: ImagineKate on January 26, 2015, 10:14:09 AM
To me the term "gun nut" is almost as bad as "->-bleeped-<-" but whatever. Some people wear it as a badge of honor, some don't like it.

I am a gun owner, and I own rifles, shotguns and handguns. I even own one of those scary black AR-15 rifles. It has a scope on it so it's an even scarier sniper rifle.

I carry almost everywhere although I do not carry to work (yet) because I really haven't approached it with HR but we have others here who carry so I probably will.

And I am a trans woman. Well look at that! We come from everywhere, don't we?

I am also a libertarian. "Don't tread on anyone."

Unfortunately, some gun owners are nuts...not dangerous nuts, but still quite irrational.

I've sold most of mine, but have kept 3...AR, Glock, and a 1911 (as a backup to the Glock).

There are those who would say I'm a nut, also.

;)

I guess that would make me a ->-bleeped-<- nut... 8)
...I think for most of us it is a futile effort to try and put this genie back in the bottle once she has tasted freedom...

--read in a Tessa James post 1/16/2017
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ImagineKate


Quote from: Beth Andrea on January 26, 2015, 02:07:48 PM
Unfortunately, some gun owners are nuts...not dangerous nuts, but still quite irrational.

I've sold most of mine, but have kept 3...AR, Glock, and a 1911 (as a backup to the Glock).

There are those who would say I'm a nut, also.

;)

I guess that would make me a ->-bleeped-<- nut... 8)

There are nutty people in everything.

I am not a glock fan. I like the Springfield XD series.

Which 1911 do you have? I wanted to get a Kimber. I have a sig 1911-22. It feels like a 1911 but it's a .22. I want to get one in .45.
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Devlyn

I've owned two Walther PPs in .32 ACP, both retired Polizei pieces. A very concealable weapon.
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Zumbagirl

I only had to say this, and already a politician is proposing this in Massachusetts:


"BOSTON — Mental health professionals must identify patients with histories of mental illness for a state database used to screen applicants for firearms permits, under a proposal filed by a Methuen lawmaker."

http://m.eagletribune.com/news/rep-campbell-seeks-mental-health-database-to-screen-gun-applicants/article_5d88bc01-9a19-56e1-9869-0b0062b81c24.html?mode=jqm

So they will give the police full access to your medical history when you apply for a license. Tell me that won't get abused. Besides, who decides who goes on the list and who doesn't? What if mistakes are made? Will this discourage people from seeking help because they would knowingly be giving up a civil right? It's only a very small slippery slope before a cop can have your entire medical history including whether or not you had SRS surgery at a traffic stop or missed a payment on overdue taxes or an overdue library book. I'd be very worried about something like this.
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Call me Ray

Quote from: Zumbagirl on January 26, 2015, 06:21:00 PM
I only had to say this, and already a politician is proposing this in Massachusetts:


"BOSTON — Mental health professionals must identify patients with histories of mental illness for a state database used to screen applicants for firearms permits, under a proposal filed by a Methuen lawmaker."

http://m.eagletribune.com/news/rep-campbell-seeks-mental-health-database-to-screen-gun-applicants/article_5d88bc01-9a19-56e1-9869-0b0062b81c24.html?mode=jqm

So they will give the police full access to your medical history when you apply for a license. Tell me that won't get abused. Besides, who decides who goes on the list and who doesn't? What if mistakes are made? Will this discourage people from seeking help because they would knowingly be giving up a civil right? It's only a very small slippery slope before a cop can have your entire medical history including whether or not you had SRS surgery at a traffic stop or missed a payment on overdue taxes or an overdue library book. I'd be very worried about something like this.
Wouldn't that be a clear violation of HIPAA policy?
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Dee Marshall

Quote from: Call me Ray on January 26, 2015, 09:58:35 PM
Wouldn't that be a clear violation of HIPAA policy?
Depends. HIPAA allows for legitimate police business. In this case a therapist would have to refuse, be cited and win in court. I suspect most police agencies would back down at a refusal to avoid a court decision. On the other hand, I also suspect most therapists, especially independent ones wouldn't risk going to court either, so it's going to be a crap shoot.
April 22, 2015, the day of my first face to face pass in gender neutral clothes and no makeup. It may be months to the next one, but I'm good with that!

Being transgender is just a phase. It hardly ever starts before conception and always ends promptly at death.

They say the light at the end of the tunnel is an oncoming train. I say, climb aboard!
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Beth Andrea

Quote from: ImagineKate on January 26, 2015, 05:40:36 PM
There are nutty people in everything.

I am not a glock fan. I like the Springfield XD series.

Which 1911 do you have? I wanted to get a Kimber. I have a sig 1911-22. It feels like a 1911 but it's a .22. I want to get one in .45.

Indeed there are!  :o

What sold me on Glock was the 32C I had....357 Sig = awesome!

Then I fired it without ear protection (because, of course, IRL one won't have ears on)...OMG that was incredibly painful! Like being hit upside the head with a 2x4! (Or so I'd think, if I'd ever been hit with a 2x4...but I digress).

I traded it for a 19, which is a very good weapon (except for all Glocks, no external safety).

The 1911 is from Regent ($450+/-; a company in Turkey, iirc) and is a straight-up duplicate of the WW2 issue 1911. It's worked every time I've fired it, accurate to my needs. Only issue is the return spring is much harder to compress when initially charging the weapon. At least, to my memory of the several 1911's I've handled in my life (probably 6 or so) Or maybe it's because I have girlie-arms now... :-\
...I think for most of us it is a futile effort to try and put this genie back in the bottle once she has tasted freedom...

--read in a Tessa James post 1/16/2017
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Devlyn

I'm looking at your avatar and thinking you'd be lucky to squeeze off a round from a Nerf gun!
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Beth Andrea

Quote from: Devlyn Marie on January 26, 2015, 10:28:45 PM
I'm looking at your avatar and thinking you'd be lucky to squeeze off a round from a Nerf gun!

Pixie dust FTW!
...I think for most of us it is a futile effort to try and put this genie back in the bottle once she has tasted freedom...

--read in a Tessa James post 1/16/2017
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ImagineKate

In NJ they get around the HIPAA stuff by making you sign a release form that says you consent to mental health records search.
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Zumbagirl

Quote from: Call me Ray on January 26, 2015, 09:58:35 PM
Wouldn't that be a clear violation of HIPAA policy?

I work in the health care field and one thing I have noticed in the past few years is a government that is requesting greater latitude and freedom to view people's personal health information and for reasons other than law enforcement. They have been quietly chipping away at one of the last bastions of real privacy, the law that was designed to protect people's most confidential medical information, to combat against terrorism, stopping gun violence, you name it.  If they can come up with a cause they will just to get that information. Then they will tie it all together, right down to the license plate on your car. Get pulled over for speeding? They will know more about you in 2 minutes than you will ever know about yourself. If the cop doesn't like trans people or we threaten his manhood, watch out. The sad part is, I actually like police because I understand how tough it can be for them. Just writing this makes me feel like I should be one of those tinfoil hat wearing people, but I'm not. I am reasonably intelligent and hopefully I'm wrong, but I just don't see it that way.

Nowadays health insurance companies are also using the "healthy living" health plans as a way to keep up to date medical information. The goal is noble, but the misuse of the information can be catastrophic.
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