Estrogen/Estradiol Information

[Newgirl Dani]

Well I do believe after all these months looking I've found what I've been looking for (hopefully).  I've read about half and it looks like a gold mine of info, I just need to spend quite a bit of time cross checking info to back it up.  I'm including the link for anyone that is interested:

Link removed, if you want it let me know and I'll send it by PM.

Dani

[AnonyMs]

Hi Dani, I'm not sure what you're looking for but I had a look at that document and it doesn't see quite right to me. Having said that I'm not in medicine, and I don't know what you're after.

It looks a bit like a scientific paper, but its not. Its published by a company. Both of these lead me to wonder if there's some agenda behind it, and what that might be. The company itself is out of business, but the CEO is perhaps still around. Not sure it the same person, but it could well be since its in the same field. It looks like he's into selling Natural health products.

http://www.corporationwiki.com/California/San-Clemente/jeffrey-j-katke/42818352.aspx

http://www.bizapedia.com/people/JEFFREY-KATKE.html

[Newgirl Dani]

Hi, and Yeah I got the same feeling.  The only thing I was after was biochemical metabolism mechanism info.  I've talked to a few here about some of this on PM.

You bring up a good point though, I was probably to eager to head out the door for my walk, and put it up prematurely.  I'll scrub the link and let others know if they want the link to PM me.

Thanks AnoyMs,   Dani

P.S.  Unfortuneately all of my books are on Organic Chemistry and not Bio :-(

[AnonyMs]

I didn't actually look at the content, its not my area. I don't think its possible to evaluate the content unless you're an expert in that field, and even then it might take a long time. Easier just to check the credibility. There's so many ways to lie with this stuff.

[Newgirl Dani]

I didn't actually look at the content, its not my area. I don't think its possible to evaluate the content unless you're an expert in that field, and even then it might take a long time. Easier just to check the credibility. There's so many ways to lie with this stuff.

For me the content is 'very' interesting and knowing I am not by any stretch of the imagination close to expert, I see a high degree of probability that the answer I have been seeking is here (I have zero interest in any of the herbal aspects of the article).  One fact that I am glad to know is that the mechanism of biological transport, and metabolism systems, and their impact on uptake/storage at the cellular level remain the same.  At least when observed within a reasonably healthy and well maintained body.
This now allows the scope of my search to be narrow enough to make a trip to the college library worthwhile.   Dani

[AnonyMs]

It sounds like you're mainly use it to help track down more information, and I can see how that would be useful.

The problem I have with is in knowing how biased the information might be. For example if they want to show particular results they might look though 1000 papers and pick the only 20 that support their particular view, and not mention the other 980. When you look at the 20 it all seems good, and its difficult to see what they have done.

On the face of it, I'd not trust a word written there, but I can see how it would be very useful as a step along the way. If it is marketing its not going to work with people taking your approach, but then most people won't do that.

[Newgirl Dani]

Your first sentence is more on track for what I was doing (more like the glue that binds what I already have learned).  Not sure what you meant about the marketing, I did not even read the article in respect to whatever it was they were doing.  I was only interested in about 4 or 5 sentences out of it all, i.e. estradiol mechanism's.  The rest I'm sure was just garbage, I posted because I was so excited to get that little nugget of info that gel'd months of online research and what I was pretty sure 'may' be.  The college library will confirm or deny if this piece fits.  Stuff I will use only in my personal daily transition, and in the future if indeed something that cool comes along, well I'll use more control and not post  .

Your interest in injecting clarity into this thread was really appreciated, and thanks much!.   Dani

[AnonyMs]

The marketing point was because lets say you are selling some product, be it natural or whatever. So you write yourself a scientific paper, and publish it, perhaps through an apparently unrelated company. Then you use that paper to sell your product to customers, helpfully pointing how how scientific it all is, and you show them the paper to prove it. Chances are they will be impressed by all the technical stuff, and it they understand any of it even better. Its only if they understand a lot of it there's a problem, and who cares about that tiny minority anyway.

Call me cynical, but that's my first thought when I saw it. But even if its true and the overall point of it is a lie (and I've no idea) it doesn't mean there's nothing of value in there, only that it needs to be carefully considered. Which is exactly what you're doing.

I didn't know what you were doing when I saw your first post though, so I wasn't quite sure what to say. I went with less is better.

[Cindy]

Had a look and I agree (as usual) with AnonyMs.

I think the rule of thumb for science papers is that the are published in a peer reviewed journal and listed on PubMed.

That means the paper has been dissected by experts in the field before being accepted by the journal. It is quite a rigorous process. Even then some papers are .......?

[Newgirl Dani]

Had a look and I agree (as usual) with AnonyMs.

I think the rule of thumb for science papers is that the are published in a peer reviewed journal and listed on PubMed.

That means the paper has been dissected by experts in the field before being accepted by the journal. It is quite a rigorous process. Even then some papers are .......?

Yes, like I stated above the paper was not being used by me for its general information of any kind,  out of the however many pages (I think 5+), I only wanted a few sentences.  Medical accreditation is extremely important, that I why I gather almost the entirety of my research from PubMed.  Once in awhile I do find that tiny piece of info unrelated to an article that confirms my thinking, then I confirm that info through more medical papers.

I'll state again, "in my excitement" at finding what I had been hoping and was getting sporadic clues of, I posted hastily, and was in a hurry to head out the door.

One last thing, please do not take this last post wrong, I do appreciate input  .  I suppose I am more fact based to a fault in my language rather than from the emotional side, although the latter is beginning to win.  Hope this clears up what I had been saying in the previous posts.  Truly do luv all, even when I may sound cold.   Dani
 

[AnonyMs]

Come to think of it, what are you looking for?

Maybe someone here might know the answer.

[Newgirl Dani]

Come to think of it, what are you looking for?

Maybe someone here might know the answer.

Was wondering when someone was going to ask that.....well I'm keeping this to myself, and I have never disclosed even close to enough for anyone to put 2 & 2 together.  It is an interest I began to get glimmers of half a year ago and has slowly evolved through much work.  If I am on the path towards what I believe I may be on, well it could be drastically abused and anyone's misfortune would be on me.  Just a heavy duty spark of that all consuming wanting to know what is not known, and a fair knowledge of chemistry, and not minding a few dead end streets.   Dani