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Started by vtor_91, March 17, 2015, 10:54:43 AM

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vtor_91

The past few days have been a crazy cycle of emotions, ranging far more than I'd probably like to admit.
I originally posted on here hoping I'd find someone who's been in my position before, and maybe had the relationship work out. I've found some helpful things, and some things that are definitely harder to digest.


I've seen a lot of replies essentially telling me that I need to suck it up and love my partner regardless of their physical appearance.  I would love to say that is an easy task for me, and maybe I am just really a shallow person. I like to think I'm not- here's why.

I grew up in a traditional household, a mom and dad a few siblings and a large extended (close) family. I know if I stay and support my partner unconditionally and even (somehow) manage to stay through a transition I will loose my family. Eventually with luck and persistence I may be able to bring my mom into understanding.... but the rest of them, I see very little hope.

I had envisioned a traditional life for myself, the husband kids and the lot. And sure, with this change kids may still be potentially in my (our) future- its definitely a different route.

A lot of the things that have allowed me to feel so safe with my partner does include male attributes; strength, muscle, voice etc.... of course my partner's personality plays a huge factor as well- which I know likely won't change drastically.

For those who said I shouldn't require the male autonomy to be pleased in a sexual sense- I agree, in theory I should be okay with out it... however there is definitely a connection that's different- I cannot explain it.

Ultimately I am still very, very unsure of where this will take us. All I know is how I feel, how I feel about him and the dreams I have (had) for our future.

I've embraced the areas that I can, and am willing and wanting to be of support to my partner. I am excited to share in some of their activities, like cross-dressing, at least as much as I may be allowed.

I know we still have a very long road ahead of us, but for now I am getting to a point of peace, slowly.

Anyways, thank you everyone for your support and advice in the previous thread. I'll likely stick around for a bit.

-and for those who frequent the entire site, you may have noticed I stumbled upon the support site my partner uses, and with their blessing I am free to stay and hangout.
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Athena

Sorry if my response sounded like I was saying to suck it up, that was not my intention. There are 2 people in a relationship, what I meant was that if you are willing to give it a chance then maybe things will work out for the 2 of you. You haven't given up on the relationship thus far and for that I applaud you, there will be some hard times ahead all I ask is keep an open mind.
Formally known as White Rabbit
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vtor_91

Quote from: White Rabbit on March 17, 2015, 11:11:59 AM
Sorry if my response sounded like I was saying to suck it up, that was not my intention. There are 2 people in a relationship, what I meant was that if you are willing to give it a chance then maybe things will work out for the 2 of you. You haven't given up on the relationship thus far and for that I applaud you, there will be some hard times ahead all I ask is keep an open mind.

Thank you for the clarification, it was not simply one comment, nor was it yours. I found your comment in particular really uplifting and supportive. Pretty sure it brought a couple of tears, in a good way. I'm apparently an emotional wreck this week.
But regardless, I appreciate you taking the time to offer encouragement and support.

-v
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adrian

Hey vtor,

I wasn't following your other thread, but I don't think that it is possible for a s/o to "suck it up" -- just as it is impossible for us trans* folks. You have to be happy as well. It is possibly to find compromises, but they have to be workable and acceptable for either partner.

If your partner decides to transition, then the relationship will only work if ultimately you are capable of embracing the change that is going to happen (whatever the amount of change is going to be). The fact that you haven't backed off immediately says to me that you really care about your partner. And it is absolutely possible that you will find a way of working things out so that both of you are happy. But you cannot sacrifice your happiness for someone else's.
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mac1

Vtor you will always be a girl and he wants to be a girl.  Your relationship is just in the early stages and you only recently became aware of his/her feminine desires. You have to have some serious discussions and together decide what is acceptable and possible for both of you.
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blueconstancy

I want to apologize immediately if you thought I was one of those suggesting you "suck it up"; I don't think caring about external appearance is even shallow, nor is it something you have to defend yourself against. I was absolutely gutted by some of the changes in my wife's appearance, and I'm a) bisexual and b) not especially committed to being with "a man" per se. It still took months and floods of tears to deal with some of the changes. I grieved for years for the husband and future that I lost, even though I was happy to keep the person. Heck, that was six years ago this June and I still ache occasionally thinking of that life I didn't get to have, and still feel less safe in some situations than I did with "a man" at my side. All of that is normal, and it's also normal that you'll be overwhelmed and have emotions all over the place shortly after you hear the news.

And I try to make a point of saying to each person that if you find you cannot deal with it all, that does NOT make you a bad person or transphobic. Your partner changed the terms of your relationship in a fundamental, permanent way, and not everyone can renegotiate like that. I tell people that relationships can survive because it's important for some partners to know that, but that doesn't mean all relationships *will* survive, or that you should feel obligated. For now, you may need to take things literally one day or one minute at a time.

(My family disowned me, so I'm also not going to be super optimistic at you about that... and it can hurt like hell to be rejected for supporting the person you *promised* to love unconditionally.)
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awilliams1701

Personally I don't think you can hide how you feel. You can't just choose to like girls. You can force yourself to date girls, but that's different. If you're willing to keep an open mind I would say go for it. But I couldn't date a guy. I'm just too grossed out by the thought. If you're at all like me you shouldn't force yourself to stay in a relationship with someone of the wrong gender for you. You might be able to deal with it now, but in the long run you're only going to hurt her worse. On the other hand if there is any chance you might be bi-sexual but avoiding it then it would be worth it to stick with it. Don't change yourself just to be with someone.
Ashley
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cindy16

Hi vtor_91, I am sorry if you found my reply among the ones telling you to 'suck it up'. I'd just say that my wife and I are similarly confused about where we're headed, so my response was more to draw a parallel than to offer any advice.

I can now see some more parallels in our stories, and in fact, your posts are sort of giving me an objective view of what my wife might be going through but is not openly talking about.
Regarding feeling safe due to your partner's 'male' attributes such as strength, voice... I had something similar going on in my mind, due to which I asked a related question on a different part of this site. I know that my physical changes, if and when they happen, will put me more at risk in the world outside, and as difficult as it may be, I can accept that as one of the negatives which will hopefully be outweighed by the positives. But I would feel far more guilty if my changes put my wife at greater risk. It is unfair to her, and also makes my promise to her that 'things won't change between us' a little hollow.

About family, well I think (or hope, maybe) that our parents are somewhat liberal and may be willing to accept us, especially if we are staying together. If we decide to separate, it would be a huge problem in itself for both of us even without the transitioning angle. But even if we stay together and our parents are supportive, I do not have any hope of support from either of our extended families. Maybe a few might accept, but most of them will simply not want to hear from us again. FWIW, I wouldn't care about most of them either, and I believe that my wife wouldn't too, but to expect her not to care would be unfair.

Despite these future risks, my wife has so far been supportive, and is open to me 'cross-dressing', having longer hair than hers, and even going for facial hair removal which would likely be a permanent change. Sometimes, even such slight changes freak an SO out, and for good reason. After all, as blueconstancy said, the terms of the relationship change in a fundamental, permanent way, and it does have an effect on everyone.
For now, I am grateful for the support that I do have from my wife, and I am waiting to see how I deal with these slight changes to begin with, before considering going further or asking her to accept further changes. We have not yet reached the stage where physical intimacy needs to be re-defined, so don't have much to say there. Though she does recognize that my emotions attached to physical intimacy are slightly different from what she always thought they were.

That's the step-by-step approach that we are taking. It may or may not work for you, and your partner may go faster or slower with transitioning, or not transition at all. Finally, it's for the two of you to decide. You need not feel obligated or be forced to choose one way or the other. And yes, trying to keep an open mind about such a drastic change can take its own emotional toll, so feel free to vent here as much as you want.
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TracyCakes

vtor, I also did not follow your original post, but if you are still following the replies I am so happy you are willing to stick with your boyfriend for awhile and rooting for you.  I am so encouraged for not only you two, but for society in general, when an SO does not immediately run the opposite direction.  Three years ago, to my surprise, my wife decided to stick with me and we have weathered the storm as i have made gradual changes.  there has been alot of laughs and tears in those three years but as time goes by she knows that I am still the same person that she fell in love with, and as i like to think maybe even a better happier me.   

With that said, however, I have not physically transitioned at this time and she still has reservations about being in an intimate relationship with another woman when that happens.  But as time goes by, we are growing closer not further away so I am encouraged that she will be with me to the end.  Maybe if you are happy, and your family sees that you are happy, then they will open their hearts and minds to the possibility.  DOnt immediately sell your conservative family short, I am not saying those family members we have told were doing back flips, but you may be pleasantly surprised.

good luck. 

   




but may feel differently if I fully transition.   
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Amy85

So, I don't know if it is terribly relevant to giving vtor some good advice but just in case it is I should let it be known that I am the boyfriend she has been talking about. So people can feel free to read my post history or ask me questions if they would like some more information on our situation before leaving vtor some helpful words :)
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mac1

Quote from: Amy85 on March 17, 2015, 04:26:17 PM
So, I don't know if it is terribly relevant to giving vtor some good advice but just in case it is I should let it be known that I am the boyfriend she has been talking about. So people can feel free to read my post history or ask me questions if they would like some more information on our situation before leaving vtor some helpful words :)
It is great that your girlfriend is willing to try to accept your being a girl. How do you view your future relationship with her? Do you desire to be a girl with full transition? Do you desire to be a girl without SRS? What will be your sexual relationship to each other: male to female; female/male to female; female to female; other?
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Amy85

Quote from: mac1 on March 17, 2015, 06:16:01 PM
It is great that your girlfriend is willing to try to accept your being a girl. How do you view your future relationship with her? Do you desire to be a girl with full transition? Do you desire to be a girl without SRS? What will be your sexual relationship to each other: male to female; female/male to female; female to female; other?

Those are all great questions. I wish I had thorough and definite answers for them :P Alas I have only two therapy sessions under my belt right now and I have only recently fully admitted I have big gender issues to myself and vtor (and the therapist). I haven't decided if transitioning (fully or in part) is right for me or not. I haven't even been able to accept (or say) that I am transgender honestly. Though logically it really kinda looks that way :/

I liked the picture of me being vtor's husband and the father of her kids, but I don't know if I could fill that role as a man and be truly happy. I don't know if I could live the rest of my life as a man without snapping 10 or 20 years down the line and having to transition then. I decided it wasn't fair to keep this possibility from vtor and told her everything. I am considering staying a man and finding coping mechanisms (part time private crossdressing has helped in the past, maybe depression meds could also help) or if I should partly transition with HRT but present as a somewhat more androgynous man at certain times and as a fugly transwoman at others, or just go for a full transition. I do know though that due to the way I feel a full or part transition would be very slow going and gradual do I could try and handle it.

As for the sexual relationship, I don't have any problems using my man bits so that would be ok unless I decided I had to go all the way and in which case there are glaring incompatibilities that I can't see how to manage, at least at this point.
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mac1

Quote from: Amy85 on March 17, 2015, 07:12:18 PM
Those are all great questions. I wish I had thorough and definite answers for them :P Alas I have only two therapy sessions under my belt right now and I have only recently fully admitted I have big gender issues to myself and vtor (and the therapist). I haven't decided if transitioning (fully or in part) is right for me or not. I haven't even been able to accept (or say) that I am transgender honestly. Though logically it really kinda looks that way :/

I liked the picture of me being vtor's husband and the father of her kids, but I don't know if I could fill that role as a man and be truly happy. I don't know if I could live the rest of my life as a man without snapping 10 or 20 years down the line and having to transition then. I decided it wasn't fair to keep this possibility from vtor and told her everything. I am considering staying a man and finding coping mechanisms (part time private crossdressing has helped in the past, maybe depression meds could also help) or if I should partly transition with HRT but present as a somewhat more androgynous man at certain times and as a fugly transwoman at others, or just go for a full transition. I do know though that due to the way I feel a full or part transition would be very slow going and gradual do I could try and handle it.

As for the sexual relationship, I don't have any problems using my man bits so that would be ok unless I decided I had to go all the way and in which case there are glaring incompatibilities that I can't see how to manage, at least at this point.

FYI, from the time I was around six years old or possibly younger I felt that I should have been a girl but never had the opportunity.  I was always shy with girls and dated only a couple girls after my 16th birthday.  I first dated my wife after graduating from high school (she was just beginning the 11th grade) and married her about 3 1/2 years later.  I truly love her and enjoy the time we have been married (more than twice as many years as you are old).  I would still like to be able to experience being a woman at least part-time with her but any transition would have to appear to be natural or medically necessary and not elective for her to be accepting of it.
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Athena

I wish you the best and I hope the 2 of you can find happiness.
Formally known as White Rabbit
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vtor_91

Quote from: mac1 on March 17, 2015, 08:00:40 PM
FYI, from the time I was around six years old or possibly younger I felt that I should have been a girl but never had the opportunity.  I was always shy with girls and dated only a couple girls after my 16th birthday.  I first dated my wife after graduating from high school (she was just beginning the 11th grade) and married her about 3 1/2 years later.  I truly love her and enjoy the time we have been married (more than twice as many years as you are old).  I would still like to be able to experience being a woman at least part-time with her but any transition would have to appear to be natural or medically necessary and not elective for her to be accepting of it.

Mac, I'm curious do you feel like you're angry/upset/another emotion... with your wife for not being totally onboard with your desire to transition?
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Amy85

Quote from: White Rabbit on March 17, 2015, 09:46:21 PM
I wish you the best and I hope the 2 of you can find happiness.

Thank you, that's very nice of you :)
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vtor_91

Quote from: TracyCakes on March 17, 2015, 03:27:13 PM
vtor, I also did not follow your original post, but if you are still following the replies I am so happy you are willing to stick with your boyfriend for awhile and rooting for you.  I am so encouraged for not only you two, but for society in general, when an SO does not immediately run the opposite direction.  Three years ago, to my surprise, my wife decided to stick with me and we have weathered the storm as i have made gradual changes.  there has been alot of laughs and tears in those three years but as time goes by she knows that I am still the same person that she fell in love with, and as i like to think maybe even a better happier me.   

With that said, however, I have not physically transitioned at this time and she still has reservations about being in an intimate relationship with another woman when that happens.  But as time goes by, we are growing closer not further away so I am encouraged that she will be with me to the end.  Maybe if you are happy, and your family sees that you are happy, then they will open their hearts and minds to the possibility.  DOnt immediately sell your conservative family short, I am not saying those family members we have told were doing back flips, but you may be pleasantly surprised.

good luck. 

   




but may feel differently if I fully transition.

TracyCakes,
First, thank you very much for your encouragement. Though unfortunately I think my family will react exactly how I think they would.... when my dad first found out I was dating he was surprised/happy for me. He had mentioned he was glad I "didn't go the other way...." trailing off and never being able to actually express what he wanted to say- up until then I had never visibly shown interest in guys around my parents, so he was worried. I'm really unsure if he would be able to cope with the idea of me in a committed relationship with a transwoman- that just ups the levels a tad.


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OH! And thank you everyone for your support and encouragement today. I really do appreciate it.
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WifeofMTF

My now husband, future wife, just came out to me a few months ago as wanting to fully transition. We by no means have everything figured out, but I can offer a few things that really worked well for us. After the shock wore off, we had a lot of fun with dressing up. I got my wife a long wig and one night we did her up from head to toe. There was a glow about her that I had never seen before and it was SO attractive--even though I've never been attracted to girls before. Second, we went to a coffee shop and hid in a dark corner and made a timeline of the transition that we were both comfortable with. It sounds like you aren't in this place yet, but writing out a timeline really helped us be on the same page so there were no surprises we weren't somewhat prepared for. Another thing we did was we went on vacation to Las Vegas and for the entire vacation she was my wife. It gave me the idea of what life would be like and though I felt a little freaked out at first, it let me know that we could do this full time and be happy. Finally, on a more intimate level, we tried out sex as "lesbians." My wife hates using her male part, so my biggest fear was that I wouldn't feel real pleasure ever again. I was sooo wrong. Our personal life has never been better.

As far as family....UGH! He has told his and they are fine, but mine are going to freak. I guess you have to be prepared for the worst decision of your life...your family or your love.

Stay strong! It's a good sign you are seeking help on here. You wouldn't bother if you didn't care.
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cindy16

Amy and vtor,

wow... what do I say? A few differences in my case such as being in a relationship longer and just slightly longer in therapy, but other than that, it's all so eerily similar to what I am going through.

Amy, I had read your posts about going to therapy etc and then vtor's posts here, and it's truly awesome how both of you are trying to work this out. I hope it works out well for both of you, in whatever form it may be.

Quote from: vtor_91 on March 17, 2015, 10:12:12 PM
Mac, I'm curious do you feel like you're angry/upset/another emotion... with your wife for not being totally onboard with your desire to transition?

vtor, sorry for butting in but my answer to a similar question would be... I wish my wife were totally on board but no I can't be angry or upset with her. If anything, I feel guilty about putting her through this, but then also question why I should blame myself when this is not something I have chosen to go through.

Quote from: WifeofMTF on March 17, 2015, 10:56:51 PM
Another thing we did was we went on vacation to Las Vegas and for the entire vacation she was my wife. It gave me the idea of what life would be like and though I felt a little freaked out at first, it let me know that we could do this full time and be happy.

Thanks for sharing this WifeofMTF. My wife and I are planning something similar later this year, just to see how it goes.
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Amy85

Quote from: cindy16 on March 17, 2015, 11:07:39 PM
Amy, I had read your posts about going to therapy etc and then vtor's posts here, and it's truly awesome how both of you are trying to work this out. I hope it works out well for both of you, in whatever form it may be.

Thank you. I can't say how things will work out in the end but we are taking it slow and trying to manage everything. I really hope there is a happy ending for us but at this point in time it is hard to see one and that distresses me. Right now we are considering a compromise down the road that may work or may just leave us both unhappy.
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