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So would you really de-transition because your voice is male

Started by evecrook, March 30, 2015, 06:16:15 PM

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evecrook

I'm just some what curious , it seems there is such a torment for those who can't sound like Joni Mitchell to the point that they would not transition. I truly understand the need to be invisible and sound perfect. The videos I've seen of voice surgery are amazing, but personally I can never do that unless someone leaves me a lot of money. I'd love to be perfect and navigate womanhood without any ripples, but that wont  happen . I no now that I can navigate the public without any seeming hint of be transgender , but if I have to speak more the a few sentences I'm doomed. I've just come to the conclusion that I'm  transgender and I have a weird voice for a female, but that definitely for me doesn't out weigh my need to transition. Just a little curious on a scale of 1 to 10 , 10 being de-transition time where would you consider the importance of voice towards your determination to transition.
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LizMarie

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Ms Grace

It was certainly a mitigating factor in my decision not to detransition the first time I tried. I mean I didn't sound like Barry White or anything and I could do a reasonable enough job to make my voice pass kind of but I really hated it at the time. There were many reasons I detransitioned and that was one of them.

Quote from: LizMarie on March 30, 2015, 06:51:19 PM
But consider the following link.

http://feminizationsecrets.com/top-10-women-with-deep-voices/

I don't know if any of those ladies would be misgendered on the phone though...
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Rachel

Eve,

I have been working at the same place for 27 years. There are 14,000 employees and I interface with a lot of people. My female voice  (I have been practicing for 2 years and I am thinking of lessons) sounds good but not as high as a woman's. It does not pass. I have always had it in my head when I express at work I would have my old voice. Unless I had VFS in which case it would be known and an opportunity for a clean break. So voice at work would not be the issue.

Everywhere other than work would be an issue. I would not de transition over that.
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Lady Smith

I used to work in the same office as an English cis-woman who had a lowish toned voice and she was forever getting mis-gendered on the phone.  We used to laugh about it actually.  Telephones do not pick up the higher tones in any voice very well so they tend to make everyone's voice sound not the best.
My job involved using the telephone a lot so by sheer practice I learned how to sound more or less acceptable on the phone.  Face to face no one had any problem with my voice, though clients were always asking at reception for the 'tall Dutch lady'  (I'm not Dutch) and even some Dutch people would ask me if I'd immigrated from Holland.  Don't ask me what I was doing, that's just how my voice sounds!

Sometimes, especially if I was tired, folk would get my voice wrong when I was using the phone.  Usually when I gave my name which is 'Anne' by the way, I would get 'Ian' back from the person on the other end.  I made a habit of always correcting them even if I had to spell my name out to get the point across.  Sometimes the caller would get a bit too invasive over why my voice was the way it was and I would simply tell them that I was going to end the call which usually worked just fine to get them back on track.

Would I have ever gone back to living a lie because of my voice.  The quick answer to that is 'No'.  Nil bastardo carborumdum was my motto back then, - don't let the b@stards grind you down.  True enough I became so anxious sometimes I was terrified to speak during my first two years, but I knew for certain that going back to trying to be a fake male was the worse option.
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evecrook

yea, I've been caught in situations where I've had to talk more then I expected to and I think I've done all right . but I don't really know. I just hope for the best
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carey965

nope never, i could never imagine going backwards even in the slightest
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Jill F

I wouldn't detransition if someone put a gun to my head.
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Shawn Sunshine

This does not affect me as I am a voice actor (who does not get paid) I very much like my voice. However it DOES bother me that I don't know how to truly speak like a woman yet, so there is that problem.
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kittenpower

...No, I would keep working on it. I think most people can develop a female voice, it just takes patience, practice, and devotion. 
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Newgirl Dani

H_LL No, (gosh, do not want to swear here) They have to have "something" to worry about  >:-) >:-) >:-).   Dani
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Lady_Oracle

Quote from: kittenpower on March 30, 2015, 08:48:49 PM
...No, I would keep working on it. I think most people can develop a female voice, it just takes patience, practice, and devotion.

This ^ like you really have to dedicate yourself to it. Voice training isn't something that you can slack off with. You have to put the time in else you won't see results at all.

My voice was my main worry going into transition. So I started training right away. After about two years I achieved my girl voice and that was before I started hrt too. That old voice of mine was very deep. It didn't help that my voice had dropped at an early age around 14 so yeah training my voice was one of the hardest things I've ever done. If I hadn't been so adamant about training, my transition as a whole would of been really difficult. Even possibly to the point of going back to some degree.

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evecrook

I usually just try to borderline soft  voice a couple octaves higher and hope for the best.
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kelly_aus

What's a 'male' voice? What's a 'female' voice? There's a whole lot more to it than just pitch..

I've got a lowish pitch, but I've been told by several people, including a speech therapist, that, pitch aside, my voice is clearly female.

Make of it what you will.
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allisonsteph

I wouldn't de-transition for any reason. I have a pretty deep voice and I work in a call center so I get called "sir" 30 or 40 times a day, however I haven't been mis-gendered in person in over a year despite my voice. I can get my voice into Katherine Hepburn or Lauren Bacall range but I'm not able to speak at an adequate volume when I do. I think I really need to find a speech therapist that will work with trans clients.
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LizMarie

Without even touching pitch, adjustments in resonance, cadence, intonation, and rhythm can alter a voice from male to female, assuming a voice is not ultra low male to start with. Resonance (chest resonance) is one of the largest audible indicators of a male voice. Get rid of that and you've made huge strides right out the gate. Resonance alone is occasionally enough for some people, though most of us need a bit of everything to make it all click.

My understanding (and someone who has been to Yeson can correct me if I am wrong) is that Yeson deals primarily in pitch. Dealing with resonance and the other issues are still candidates for voice therapy with a speech therapist.
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Auroramarianna

Quote from: kelly_aus on March 30, 2015, 09:11:49 PM
What's a 'male' voice? What's a 'female' voice? There's a whole lot more to it than just pitch..

I've got a lowish pitch, but I've been told by several people, including a speech therapist, that, pitch aside, my voice is clearly female.

Make of it what you will.

But it's still one of the main gender markers in voice, as long with resonance. If pitch is too low, your voice will be perceived as male on the phone. Inflection doesn't make one's voice sound female.

To the OP, no, I wouldn't because my voice is naturally high. I am mam'd on the phone and I don't do any effort at all. But remember it has the flipside coin: I was bullied for this and other things, for being so femmie. So it's not all roses and butterflies.
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kelly_aus

Quote from: Auroramarianna on March 31, 2015, 03:44:05 AM
But it's still one of the main gender markers in voice, as long with resonance. If pitch is too low, your voice will be perceived as male on the phone. Inflection doesn't make one's voice sound female.

To the OP, no, I wouldn't because my voice is naturally high. I am mam'd on the phone and I don't do any effort at all. But remember it has the flipside coin: I was bullied for this and other things, for being so femmie. So it's not all roses and butterflies.

I forget the last time I was misgendered on the phone, except by someone who had a screen in front of them that ID'ed me as male..
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DanielleA

There is no way that I would de-transition because my voice didn't pass. If anything, I would target that area of transition until I was satisfied that it was near my idea of perfect.
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big kim

I sound like Lemmy from Motorhead.It's not stopped me or going to make me
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