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Started by Kylie, April 13, 2015, 02:35:58 PM

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ainsley

Quote from: iKate on April 20, 2015, 10:03:12 AM
Especially when our own Government is shipping them south of the border...

I think the more correct statement is our Gov is allowing them to be shipped by nefarious individuals for investigative purposes (whether you believe in the success of that tactic or not). ;)
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SonadoraXVX

Yet people are free to buy military grade weapons here and 1/10 the crime of mexico. Mexicos population is 120 million, and the u.s. is 320 million.  The u.s. are a bunch of potheads and dopeheads,  so says people south of the border, yet there isnt narco terrorism on the scale of colombia, but there is in mexico.
Reason that mexico is being called in a colombianization mode, by the MIIC, here in the u.s. and other super- industrialized countries.

Its a round robin accusation, but hey at least we're not falling apart like countries south of the border.

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iKate

Quote from: ainsley on April 20, 2015, 11:07:03 AM
I think the more correct statement is our Gov is allowing them to be shipped by nefarious individuals for investigative purposes (whether you believe in the success of that tactic or not). ;)

Ah yes, "I see nosssing..." LOL.

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ainsley

Quote from: iKate on April 20, 2015, 02:38:23 PM
Ah yes, "I see nosssing..." LOL.

haha, Sgt. Schultz, I presume?
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Kova V

Is that Chris Christie? We could make meme trading cards of all the politicians satirizing common characterizations of what we think THEY think and sell them for a dollar!!! We'll make at least $13, then we can have a pizza party!

#merica #pizzaParty #chrisChristieNotInvited
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iKate


Quote from: Kova V on April 20, 2015, 06:01:33 PM
Is that Chris Christie? We could make meme trading cards of all the politicians satirizing common characterizations of what we think THEY think and sell them for a dollar!!! We'll make at least $13, then we can have a pizza party!

#merica #pizzaParty #chrisChristieNotInvited

It is. It's a meme straight out of bridge gate.
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iKate

Quote from: Kova V on April 20, 2015, 06:01:33 PM
Is that Chris Christie? We could make meme trading cards of all the politicians satirizing common characterizations of what we think THEY think and sell them for a dollar!!! We'll make at least $13, then we can have a pizza party!

#merica #pizzaParty #chrisChristieNotInvited

It is. It's a meme straight out of bridge gate.

Used to support him until he turned soft on gun rights, besides he vetoed the trans birth certificate bill.
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gennee

Law abiding citizens should be able to protect themselves. Penalizing the law abiding citizen just makes the criminals more brazen. The police moved to more power weapons because the criminals were using AK-47s, Uzis and other powerful weapons. What's isn't addressed is the chronic problems in high crime areas: drugs, lack of opportunity and education, anger and the feeling of hopelessness.   


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kariann330

So to start things off, obviously I live in Ohio where we have some of the least restricted gun laws. Really the only thing that you can't own is full auto unless you are LEO or military.

Now to my views on it....well let's just say that my safe would give Diane Feinstein a heart attack. I have revolvers, semi auto hand guns from Glock to a $3,000 1911. I have shot guns, two AKs (one 5.45 one 7.62) three ARs in various calibers (5.56 300aac and SOCOM) an AR10 that I have reached out to 700 yards with regularly, some bolt guns and 4 or 5 suppressors aka silencers.

Obviously I'm all for it but I do feel that we need to strengthen either the background check system, or reporting of mental illness to the FBI. Now I don't mean going to the point that NY or CA have. When it comes to NFA devices, I say go for it, especially with the stricter background checks done that include fingerprinting and the extra $200 to the BATFE.


Now if that scares you, consider this, under USA law, if you pay the Class 3 tax stamp for it, you can LEGALLY buy a fighter jet, tank or MRAP.

The thing is though, where most of yall live if you call 911 the response time is 3-10mins.... Where I live the response time is 15-20mins so my guns are either for hunting or to protect myself and my property. You would think that no one would  bother me out here but you would be surprised if you found out just how much crime really happens in the sticks....just last week I woke up to 4 teens trying to load my atv onto a trailer, the week before my neighbor (if you want to call it that since he is a half mile away) had his brand new MF stolen out of the barn.
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EmilyRyan

Lets just say there's a reason I love living in Tennessee  ;)
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Sigyn

Arizona!

#1 for so long, it's not even fair. ;)
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steyraug96

Quote from: iKate on April 18, 2015, 07:48:08 PM

The "obsession" is quite simple.

This country would not be possible without guns. The founding fathers did not ask the British for independence. Quite simply, they shot them.

We SERIOUSLY need a "like" button!  ;-)
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steyraug96

Quote from: Serena ♡ on April 18, 2015, 11:02:44 PM
Well that was another time/era.

Yes....
Before they had smart bombs, fuel-air explosives, cluster bombs (grapeshot doesn't count, you can see clusterbombs on Youtube), the Cornershot, shaped-charge explosives, drones delivering munitions, police armed with .50 caliber sniper rifles, SWAT delivering warrants to non-violent offenders at O-Dark-Thirty with no-knock warrants, or walking around with submachine guns, like the MP5s the cops had here in Boston for "personal defense weapons."
Not to mention 24/7 surveillance, with people WILLINGLY carrying tracking devices (Cell phones?) and everyone being told, like the Germans pre-WW2, "If you see something, SAY SOMETHING..."

There was no such thing as a main battle tank. Not even a HumVee.  Horse is as close as it got. No such thing as shooting someone a mile away. No such thing as incinerating a village in the blink of an eye (FAE). No body armor to withstand rifles (which is also supposedly to be made illegal for civillians to own.) 

Problem is, ALL governments turn on their citizens. It's a matter of WHEN, not IF. The founders said as much at the time.
Example: Try to buy a car without a backup camera. Not many left, and getting scarcer - 2016 models ALL have them, I understand. Why?
Because you can't see out of the windows! Why?
Because the car MIGHT roll over in an accident!   MUST be able to withstand the weight of the car, even with deformations of the accident, and rollovers MIGHT happen.

On the other hand, if you could SEE out the windows, MAYBE YOU WOULDN'T HAVE THE ACCIDENT because you could SEE the other car...  but "For your own safety," we now need a beeper for the seatbelt...  A buzzer for the backup...  Whoop-whoop for lane departure, and a tweeter for when you're "going to: hit someone in front of you, and the car will decide FOR you to slow down, stop, and whether or not the engine should be running.
But it's illegal to have your cell phone in your hand while driving, because the beeps and lights are distracting.

You want an interesting comparison to loop it all back: See how popular the EU government REALLY is. We have members there; should be easy.
As I understand, Brussels is on a par with, or lower than, the Congress here. Less than 30%.
Because they do things "for your own good," (E.G., Codex Alimentarius) that make living a PITA. they impose laws and restrictions on what you would do in your own time, which hurts no one - and imposes costs to you, even if you stay home.
For instance, those backup cameras in the US cars? Those are MANDATORY safety items.
So guess who pays for the repair when it goes wrong.
$20 for a mirror if you need to replace that. Install yourself.
I've read up to $2000 to replace the backup camera systems. Because you CANNOT do the repairs yourself; you MUST get the repairs done; and the vehicle must be disassembled for the repairs, and the repairs are necessary so you can drive it - to work, for example.

Computer-controlled ABS. Black Box electronics, like on a plane, which are also going to start telling you (and the police) when you're "speeding" - which is essential when you need to get out of the way of a MACK truck riding your bumper, for example. Or the LED lights - also essential for "safety", even though they're not headlights. How about headlights, period? $200/bulb. (More for the pretty LEDs that are there as "accents" but part of the "safety" regs now.) Checked the price compared to your expendable income yet? Approximate cost increase, 100%. IE, what used to be $15,000 is now $30-35,000. Essentially the same car. Just more distractions and alarms and big-brother stuff added. (OnStar, for example, is ALWAYS on, ALWAYS tracking you, even without a subscription. And it DOES send that data "home," and it IS shared with the mandatory Insurance Mafia.)

How many times we go over the same dog and pony show, when all it amounts to is, "Give more power to Big Brother"?
After all, it's not like governments murder their citizens. (Russia, China, Germany).
Nor perform medical experiments on them. (US: Tuskegee airmen; Germany, China)
Nor poison them (Alcohol was the method of choice in the US, as the Feds flooded the Chicago market with wood alcohol and blamed it on the moonshiners during Prohibition)

Nor do they create so many laws it's impossible to comply (prophesied in Atlas Shrugged; part of China's history; examined in "three felonies a day", available on Amazon; there are 10,000 pages of FEDERAL law alone, let alone state and local - and most are statutory, meaning your intent doesn't matter; yet the police commit crimes every day without a thought, as do MOST of our leaders of any party.)

Basic deal is: If I stick a gun in your ribs, and demand 1/3 of your income on April 15th, it's THEFT, right?
The government does that EVERY YEAR, and calls it "taxation" - and the sheep go gladly to the slaughter, while our soldiers go to kill and die on foreign shores to "spread democracy" (some of you will recall, "Make the world SAFE for democracy...") 
All the while, the "elites" (E.G., G.E., Ford, McDonnel-Douglas, etc) get rich off our blood, sweat and tears - and make it harder and harder to be free.
Gatekeepers does come to mind.

And ultimately, when push comes to shove, Mao was correct: "Political power comes from the barrel of a gun." Because there's GOT to be an, "Or Else."

Example: Love him or hate him, Obama recently said he would be a shoo-in for a third term as president.
It CAN happen - he can suspend elections if there's a "crisis."  I don't think he will, but play out the logic here: There's a crisis, whether a financial issue, or an EMP, or a food shortage or a plague. Elections are suspended.
When, and how, do things go back to "normal"?

Because New Orleans and the Jersey Shore are STILL sorting things out, years later.
So who will enforce the "transition" back to normal, and when? The Military? will there be a clamor of unarmed citizens, that the no-longer-elected will listen to?

Ultimately, it comes down to US. Regardless of the drones, and the FAEs, and the snipers - standing up and saying, You'll kill a lot of us, but we'll get to you eventually.

See, in the EU...? They CANNOT do that.  No matter how bad it gets (Ex, firing a worthless employee) - they are already living on their knees.
Most people here don't realize - we've ALREADY been knee-capped.

Not just our right to change our bodies. Our right to own our vehicles (registration, mandatory insurance, license fees, plus the hidden taxes of speeding tickets, red light cameras - the yellow lights are shortened, BTW - and a whole BUNCH of statutory violations they can use as pretext to search the car, confiscate your assets, like the car or your cash or jewelry).
Think you own your home? Try not paying the property tax "rent" to your owners. See what happens.

Most people just aren't aware, I hope.
Because the alternative is, they're sheep - and deserve no sympathy when they get SWATed, fined, executed, or their children are arrested on trumped-up or manufactured charges, or executed.
Copblock is a biased site, but compare it to Police1 and think it over. Police1 has cops on it, celebrating the execution of restrained suspects by the cops. Same case as on CopBlock.
My question is, when the law is corrupt and inadequate, why do we still kneel to that "authority"?
Because it's shown it is the same as having NO law at all, anyway.
Same with the national government.

WE, more than most except maybe the Jews of WW2, should be able to read the writing on the wall.
Better to die on your feet, than live on your knees.
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steyraug96

Quote from: SonadoraXVX on April 20, 2015, 11:44:09 AM
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Im off my boymode now[emoji41]  aka non argumentative mode.

The rest was interesting, but this sort of gets my hackles up...
Why would BOYS be the only ones allowed (a) have opinions, (b) be vocal about them, or (c) argue?
::poke::, ::poke::
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steyraug96

Quote from: Serena ♡ on April 18, 2015, 11:16:32 PM
Was the recent Scottish independence campaign executed using guns against england or with a referendum? I think time have changed. If the amendments are still applicable to non-violent things, then it's great, but gun is not the same thing.

Things have AND haven't changed.
If the refendum had passed, would Scotland have been ALLOWED to walk away? Don't know. But who has the guns? The Crown? then it would be at the Crown's discretion.

Then, there's an old saying attributed to Lenin: "It matters not how the people vote; it matters who counts the votes."
If you could vote for Lenin or Stalin, would it even matter?
That's part of the kabuki theater over here in the US. Corporate interests own ALL the candidates, so it hardly matters how people vote, or who they vote for; the game is rigged twice. (1) Both candidates receive massive contributions from Corporations, so their loyalty is to the Corporations. (2) The politicians ALLOWED to make it on the ballot are so fundamentally the same, it doesn't matter who wins. The Agenda continues unabated.
And that's assuming the election numbers for voter turnout are real.... 


Quote from: Serena ♡ on April 18, 2015, 11:16:32 PM
That's the problem to begin with, americans are so easy to use violence, I don't want to go off-topic, but american cops can be very violent, let's just think about the black men that got killed because of that, and police officer would of course allowed to get guns, because that's their job, but citizens should not be allowed to do that, there is too many crazy people. This is my opinion I am sorry I am not going to change it.

Yeah - 100% right on that. Police1 vs. CopBlock, same story. CopBlock is biased against, and it's "always" bad. but Police1 is worse; a subdued, handcuffed suspect is shot in the back of the head while kneeling, it's a "good shoot" by all the Officer 82nd airborne types. It's disgusting.
Yet somehow, other civilized nations don't have the Waffen-SS as their role models for policing. Iceland, for example. Japan, too - so it's not a White European thing. France, too, despite the violence there. (Epidemic of rape, robbery, and property damage via arson.)

We let thieves and liars run our government; why not have the psychotics enforce the rules?
This IS, after all, the country that has ruled that: (1) Police have no duty towards any citizen. They need not endanger themselves. (2) The Police don't need to know the law. Ignorance of the law is no excuse for us mundanes, but for the Po-Po? Not a problem. (3) The Police are allowed to shoot a fleeing suspect in the back, killing him - and not face charges. A civilian must have articulatable reasons to believe he was in imminent fear for his life, and even then will likely be arrested for murder. Shooting a fleeing suspect, even if said suspect committed murder, is illegal murder itself.

Those are the guts of several supreme court cases. Ie, federal law here. Nice, huh?
Lastly, the cops can carry anywhere, anytime, thanks to a certain bill referenced elsewhere in this thread. Including the SOB who killed someone in the movie theater for texting during the previews. And he had to go get his gun to do it, IIRC... 
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Valkyrie_2

I live in the united States. At one time, I had a concealed carry permit but allowed it to lapse. Where I live is a fairly wild area but as everybody has a gun, people don't mess with each other.

I like to shoot on occasion but have way more fun with airguns than with real guns.

It would concern me greatly if gun ownership were restricted as disarming a population is the way to totalitarianism.
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iKate

Yes, the wall of blue is a real concern. One of the reasons I did not continue with law enforcement as a career. It was a pity though, people loved me. I actually had people smile when I pulled them over because of my friendly demeanor.
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MichelleZelda

I can't even fathom guns being as unregulated as your Democrats would leave them with their gun control measures. People DO NOT own guns in general in this part of Canada, and probably throughout much of the country. I think there's only 2-3 people who own guns in my extended family, ~50 people.
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Sigyn

even with my pistol?



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