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Will I definitely need FFS? Please be honest lol, I can take it!

Started by PsychedelicSage, May 28, 2015, 11:15:49 PM

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PsychedelicSage

It's going to be next to impossible for me to get FFS within a few years because I have no credit at all. The only way I can think of that I can afford it is if I either win the lottery, or go all Walter White lol. I'm just joking please don't call the police lol. But right now I have to live paycheck to paycheck and can't really save substantial amounts of money. I make roughly $4k a year right now. that will change once I graduate college, especially considering I'll be studying computer IT, but for the next two years I will only be making $4k a year.

Anyway I'm looking at Dr. Zukowski in the Chicago area because he is closest to me. I will not be able to travel outside the state for FFS. I have nobody to drive me home after the procedure other than my parents, and they won't pick me up outside of the state.

I have only been on hormones for about five weeks (ignore the slider timeline in my signature, I had to go off my hormones for about two weeks, I just got back on them yesterday). But in those five weeks I have gained about three inches of circumference around my hips, lost about three inches of circumerence around my waist, lost like over three inches of circumference around my shoulders, and lost three inches of circumference around my biceps. But keep in mind that I have worn a slightly cheap corset almost constantly since I started HRT. Also my breasts have gained about a cup size and have begun budding.

Anyway, what's really important is my face. Is there a big chance I will need FFS.? I want to be passable. I don't expect to be or even want to be supermodel gorgeous. i would be totally happy looking like an average looking woman or even a slightly below average looming woman. Or at the very absolute least, androgynous, leaning much more towards female looking. So female-androgynous. Preferably I don't want to have to get any surgery except for SRS/GRS.










Started HRT on 4-14-15 but it was DIY.
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Dena

At this point I can't say but your face is structured much like mine and I have no desire to do a FFS. My only plastic surgery was a nose job. After a year or two of hormones my face structure changed. Fat deposit softened and shaped my face and I am sure but I thing my cheek bones enlarged a bit. These changes are small and you have to look hard to see them but they change your whole face. You and I both have long slim faces and with that face you need to cover you forehead. With a perm, I had my curly hair covering my forehead. I have stopped the perms, they were a real pain in the backside to get but easy to care for. My new cut will have bangs and sort of a page boy but instead of using a curler to bring the hair in, the hair will be cut on the underside allowing the hair to naturally curve toward my face. What every you do, avoid long hair because long hair will make your face look longer.
The basic rule for you is shorten your face by covering your forehead and round out your face with short hair on the side.
If you would like a conservative approach, I would recommend at least a year on hormones before considering a FFS. Longer would be better. Some of the short cuts are sexy easy to care for and can do wonders for your face. At least look at the included link and print off any short haircuts you like. I had about 5 finalist of which I picked with one I really will like once I get all my hair long enough.
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P.S look at cut where the top back of the head is the radiating point for the hair. They do a comb forward that will do a good job of covering any pattern baldness.
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Ms Grace

It is really up to you - you've just started HRT and your face should change somewhat over the next year or two anyway so I'd wait a little while before you start worrying about these issues. Some women with fairly masculine features chose not to have FFS and pass well, some women with fairly feminine features chose to have FFS and still feel they don't pass. Passing is a lot more than brow or jawline.
Grace
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PsychedelicSage

I'm not considering having FFS anytime soon, it'll be completely impossible for me to get it for a few years and may be impossible forever because I have no credit and can't get credit. Which is ridiculous. Why do they care what my credit is as long as I pay.? It's stupid and none of their business. They just want to put people down and ruin their lives for not fitting some ridiculous financial standards.

Yeah I was actually planning on shorter hair anyway. And my face isn't as long as you're making it sound lol.. I've seen trans girls with far longer faces than mine and they're still able to lool feminine. I've even seen genetic girls with longer faces than mine and they still looked okay. Mine is somewhat bad compared to some trans girls but not as bad as it could be or as bad as it used to be.


Well great.. I didn't even know I had pattern baldness.
I am TWENTY. How can somebody have pattern baldness when they're not even in their mid twenties.? Honestly, I didn't get screwed over enough looking like a man, I have to be balding too.?

Ugh whatever lol. All getting upset over it will do is make me even balder. I bought a shampoo that's known for thickening hair and even growing it back so I hopefully should be okay. If that doesn't work I can always buy a clip on hair extension for like $15 and just wear it for like the rest of my life lol.

And honestly I refuse to look masculine. Masculinity honestly grosses me out, I find it really.. ugh I don't want to be offensive or hurt anybody's feelings here, I'm trying to think of a polite way to put this xD I find it very unattractive personally. Especially on myself. Masculine traits on me make me dysphoric. I want to look as feminine as possible. anyway I'm lesbian, if I have overly masculine features I'll never be able to have a relationship, ever.

A lot of lesbians won't even date perfectly passable pre op trans girls. And virtually all lesbians won't date nonpassable trans girls. If I'm wrong somebody please correct me.



Started HRT on 4-14-15 but it was DIY.
Started real prescribed HRT on 7-22-15 c:
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Julia-Madrid

Hello Ms PsychedelicSage

It's always a difficult call - to wait for the results from HRT or to take action with FFS. 

If FFS is done well, it is likely to make your face instantly passable at all hours, and not just in low light conditions.  OF course it's part of a number of other fixes including head and facial hair etc., makeup too.

Like any surgery, FFS comes with its pros and cons - it can affect skin sensation and mobility for a time, even speech if you have chin or jaw work done.  It's also important to have realistic expectations and to realise that FFS alone isn't going to turn you into a catwalk model :D

This said, your face is not terribly masculine.  If you were to get recommendations for FFS, they would probably suggest brow, nose and chin, a lip lift and jaw reduction.  That's around €30k as a guestimate.  In your case you may need to consider a hair transplant, and, if you were to do FFS via a cranial incision, a strip of cranial skin would give you some degree of coverage, but you may need more from another donor region at a later stage.

However, all of this is perfectly doable - it just takes money, some patience, and some level of pain and discomfort. 

Practically you're going to need a plan and some very clear intent, since FFS is something of a one-way trip.  If you are unsure, and you should at the very least be cautious, consult Alexandra Hamer of VirtualFFS.  Her mock-ups will give you an idea of how you might look after FFS. 

Edit:  if you want to stop MPB, shampoos are not really going to help much, I fear.  Your follicles are sensitive to testosterone, also DHT, and you'd need some androgen inhibitor such a 5-alpha-reductase inhibitor to stop that.

Good luck
Julia
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PsychedelicSage

#5
I can't afford any of that and probably never will be able to.. and hair transplants aren't a one time thing. They fall out and you have to keep getting them and getting them every few months and spending $3k every single time. I'll NEVER have that kind of money.


And I had no idea my baldness was that bad... Now I really never want people to have to look at me. But don't hormones stop baldness from getting worse though and even grow at least some hair back? I will try anything to get the hair to grow back or at least stop it from getting worse as long as it's not expensive, I don't care if it's dangerous or not approved by the FDA or something. As long as it's something I can afford right now and it works, I don't care. Does Rogaine work.? Does any hair regrowth product on Amazon work.? Then again this might not even be pattern baldness I might just be losing my hair from stress. Before hormones I had bad stress and depression and went through a lot of really bad situations. And probably the reason I'm stressing so much right now is because I only just got back on my hormones and they haven't completely kicked in just yet. Once I'm on them for a few weeks again I'll calm down and stop worrying so much.

I just get extremely self critical and I take any and all criticism as negative when I don't have my hormones.

Would growing my bangs out help? I definitely don't plan on keeping my hair this short.

I just can't handle cut and dry looking like a man for a few more YEARS. Possibly the rest of my life. I mean if I was able to look at least androgynous somewhat soon I'll be fine. But I will not like myself and I'll be completely undesirable until I'm at least androgynous. But with these disgusting, manly features and my baldness, that obviously has little to no chance of happening, ever. I will just be treated and thought of as a man for the rest kf ky life. No lesbian will want me because I cut and dry look like a man and they'll see me as just another "straight guy". No straight woman will want me because I can't live up to their expectations of what a man is supposed to be.


And this is not doable for me. I'll be making nothing but $4k a year for the next two years bare minimum, and I live paycheck to paycheck so I'm hardly able to save any money.

In all honesty, should I just give up ever looking female or even androgynous? I'm never going to stop taking my hormones, they may not make me look female or androgynous but they are making me less ugly. I just want to know if I have a big chance of looking female or androgynous so I don't spend my life chasing some impossible dream that will never come true for me.

Like to be completely honest I really don't want FFS. But if I absolutely NEED to have it to be attractive and feminine, I'll find some way of getting the money. It doesn't matter how. I'll just have to find a way.

I look at all of you girls on here and every single one of you look completely feminine and had good starting points. From what I've seen of pre transition pictures, all of you already had at least some feminine features. Far, far more feminine than me. Hormones can only do so much. With me, they have a LOT of damage to fix. So much that they may hardly fix it at all.
Started HRT on 4-14-15 but it was DIY.
Started real prescribed HRT on 7-22-15 c:
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Lady_Oracle

Quote from: PsychedelicSage on May 29, 2015, 02:15:12 AM
I'm not considering having FFS anytime soon, it'll be completely impossible for me to get it for a few years and may be impossible forever because I have no credit and can't get credit. Which is ridiculous. Why do they care what my credit is as long as I pay.? It's stupid and none of their business. They just want to put people down and ruin their lives for not fitting some ridiculous financial standards.

Yeah I was actually planning on shorter hair anyway. And my face isn't as long as you're making it sound lol.. I've seen trans girls with far longer faces than mine and they're still able to lool feminine. I've even seen genetic girls with longer faces than mine and they still looked okay. Mine is somewhat bad compared to some trans girls but not as bad as it could be or as bad as it used to be.


Well great.. I didn't even know I had pattern baldness.
I am TWENTY. How can somebody have pattern baldness when they're not even in their mid twenties.? Honestly, I didn't get screwed over enough looking like a man, I have to be balding too.?

Ugh whatever lol. All getting upset over it will do is make me even balder. I bought a shampoo that's known for thickening hair and even growing it back so I hopefully should be okay. If that doesn't work I can always buy a clip on hair extension for like $15 and just wear it for like the rest of my life lol.

And honestly I refuse to look masculine. Masculinity honestly grosses me out, I find it really.. ugh I don't want to be offensive or hurt anybody's feelings here, I'm trying to think of a polite way to put this xD I find it very unattractive personally. Especially on myself. Masculine traits on me make me dysphoric. I want to look as feminine as possible. anyway I'm lesbian, if I have overly masculine features I'll never be able to have a relationship, ever.

A lot of lesbians won't even date perfectly passable pre op trans girls. And virtually all lesbians won't date nonpassable trans girls. If I'm wrong somebody please correct me.

Hi there, as someone who started transition at your age I wish you the best of luck and I'm here if you ever want any advice. I'm 5 years into my transition in case you're wondering.

Congrats on getting back on hrt! Your hairline, which to me looks like a typical M shape can definitely improve with hrt but that takes awhile. In the mean time grow out your hair and buy a quality fitted wig if you don't want to deal with the awkward growing phase.  There's plenty of hairstyles to cover those sides until they grow in, side parts and middle parts can do wonders.

Regarding the thing about lesbians and dating its really subjective honestly, at least with women in our age range 20-28. Our generation is pretty accepting I find. You just have to realize that with dating whether you're cis or trans it's going to be difficult and that it takes time to find someone and usually they find you, if that makes sense. Also there's a lot to passing so unless you've been full time for awhile, you really won't know your dating pool is, plus all the other factors that go into dating so yeah its not that clear cut that cis lesbians wont date us, maybe for the older generations but in my experience that hasn't been the case. Passability is even more subjective though and you can't generalize lesbians either since there's many forms of gender expression. So who's to say that a cis butch lesbian wouldn't date another trans butch lesbian or andro or stud or fem, etc like there's so much to it when it comes to the visual aspect here, regarding "passability" with Bi and Pan women its more or less the same deal, except the genital issue isn't as big of a deal but in the end regardless if someones wants to be with you they will be whether you're preop,non or post.

As far as advice about ffs I'd say wait it out some, gain some weight if you're on the thinner side. The fat deposits in your face will make a big difference once they're filled out.

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Ms Grace

The hairloss should reverse on HRT but may take several months. I knew a cis male who had lost most of his hair at age 24, apparently it started thinning when he was 18!
Grace
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Transition 1.0 (Julie): HRT 1989-91
Self-denial: 1991-2013
Transition 2.0 (Grace): HRT June 24 2013
Full-time: March 24, 2014 :D
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PsychedelicSage

I apologize for freaking out lol. My hormones haven't comlletely kicked in again just yet and I'm a bit sensitive without them.

It was just hard to hear that I'm balding in addition to having such masculine features. Hearing that made looking even just androgynous seem completely unattainable.

But I'm actually not balding I found some old pics of myself and my hairline has ALWAYS been like this, at least since 2013, and I seriously doubt that I've been losing my hair since 18. And now that I think about it my hairline has been like this since early high school too.

And as long as my bangs are grown out at least a couple of inches, you can't even tell I have such an awful hairline. Honestly I don't even understand why my hairline being like this is practically the end of the world, I plan on growing my hair into a longer pixie cut and I'm never going to be putting my hair up in a ponytail, so it honestly doesn't matter.

Hormones have actually already made my hair thicker. I used to have a noticeably thinner spot near my crown when my hair was longer than this and you could kind of see my scalp, but it's completely gone now.

And I bought a shampoo and conditioner on Amazon that were top rated and well known on there for thickening hair and even growing some lost hair back. It should be here tomorrow so that's a glimmer of hope too.

So I need to calm down and let hormones do their thing. They have a lot of damage to undo and no matter how upset I get, it's not going to happen overnight.

I am just so tired of looking like a man and people treating me and seeing me like a man. I know all of you understand, it sucks when people take one look at you and automatically think you're supposed to like sports and cars and be aggessive and dominant and going to the gym every day.

But hormones are affecting me sort of quickly. like from the breasts down, I have an EXTREMELY feminine body with really great curves and everything. Like it seriously looks like a genetic girl's body except for one certain part lol. Which is crazy because before hormones I had a pretty masculine body. And my butt went from almost completely flat and pointy to a bit bigger and MUCH rounder. The sides of my butt were nonexistent before, even when I gained a bunch of weight a bit after high school. And my changes aren't really even getting started yet.

I just need to work on my face, biceps, shoulders, and neck muscles, that's all.
Started HRT on 4-14-15 but it was DIY.
Started real prescribed HRT on 7-22-15 c:
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Julia-Madrid

Hey PsychedelicSage

Some comments for you...


I can't afford any of that and probably never will be able to...  Bah, nonsense... you're young.  At some point your income will change.  But I want you to consider another thing: while you might want to fix these things now, there is still time.  I wanted to change gender 20 years ago.  Back then FFS was dangerous and practically experimental and we were all freaks.  I did something different with my life, quite successfully.  And now I've done what I needed to do.  It can be possible. 

I look at all of you girls on here and every single one of you look completely feminine and had good starting points. From what I've seen of pre transition pictures, all of you already had at least some feminine features.   Not really true.  All of us were pretty obviously male once upon a time.  What you're seeing here is the result of some time, patience, money, and good camera angles :D  We've had to work on it!

Work on it... you'll get results!

xxx
Julia



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PsychedelicSage

Quote from: Julia-Madrid on May 29, 2015, 09:26:22 AM
Hey PsychedelicSage

Some comments for you...


I can't afford any of that and probably never will be able to...  Bah, nonsense... you're young.  At some point your income will change.  But I want you to consider another thing: while you might want to fix these things now, there is still time.  I wanted to change gender 20 years ago.  Back then FFS was dangerous and practically experimental and we were all freaks.  I did something different with my life, quite successfully.  And now I've done what I needed to do.  It can be possible. 

I look at all of you girls on here and every single one of you look completely feminine and had good starting points. From what I've seen of pre transition pictures, all of you already had at least some feminine features.   Not really true.  All of us were pretty obviously male once upon a time.  What you're seeing here is the result of some time, patience, money, and good camera angles :D  We've had to work on it!

Work on it... you'll get results!

xxx
Julia



Thanks. But honestly I might have trouble finishing college if I have to look like and present myself as a man during ALL of it. I don't think I'll have the confidence to talk in class at all if I can't even look androgynous, let alone give presentations. I'll probably have to end up drinking before I have to give a presentation. Going up there drink and totally failing is better than not going up there at all, at least I would still get SOME points instead of getting a zero.

I start school this fall and I'm VERY nervous about it.

I feel like that if I'm openly transgender, every single person there will just laugh at me and tell me I'm too ugly and masculine to ever look anything like a woman, no matter how long I'm on hormones or how many expensive surgeries I have.

And in all honesty I don't care one bit about being successful, I just want to have enough money to comfortably get by and afford FFS because I so obviously will need it. And SRS.

I seriously doubt any of you ever looked anywhere near as bad as I do.. xD



I don't know. I've always had A LOT of trouble with being patient and delayed gratification. LIke if I want something I have to have it right now, otherwise working towards it seems pointless. And in my mind if I can't do something like within a week, it feels like I'll NEVER be able to do it or have it.
Started HRT on 4-14-15 but it was DIY.
Started real prescribed HRT on 7-22-15 c:
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kittenpower

Quote from: PsychedelicSage on May 29, 2015, 10:11:15 AM
Thanks. But honestly I might have trouble finishing college if I have to look like and present myself as a man during ALL of it. I don't think I'll have the confidence to talk in class at all if I can't even look androgynous, let alone give presentations. I'll probably have to end up drinking before I have to give a presentation. Going up there drink and totally failing is better than not going up there at all, at least I would still get SOME points instead of getting a zero.

I start school this fall and I'm VERY nervous about it.

I feel like that if I'm openly transgender, every single person there will just laugh at me and tell me I'm too ugly and masculine to ever look anything like a woman, no matter how long I'm on hormones or how many expensive surgeries I have.

And in all honesty I don't care one bit about being successful, I just want to have enough money to comfortably get by and afford FFS because I so obviously will need it. And SRS.

I seriously doubt any of you ever looked anywhere near as bad as I do.. xD



I don't know. I've always had A LOT of trouble with being patient and delayed gratification. LIke if I want something I have to have it right now, otherwise working towards it seems pointless. And in my mind if I can't do something like within a week, it feels like I'll NEVER be able to do it or have it.
If you want FFS, make a plan and stick to it. Let's say that it may take you 5 years or more to save for FFS, well that time will come and go anyway, and you'll be on HRT the whole time, so your face and body will continue to feminize, and your hairline will probably improve during that time as well, so it's a win win situation that only requires you to have patience, work, and save your money.  As far as people laughing, yes, that could happen; it's part of the duckling faze that we go through, but as long as you believe in yourself, and have a plan to succeed, everything will work itself out. 
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charlotte15

You are twenty. You have a 16 years advantage on me. Money is a flow, not a fixed thing - you can get easily that much money, and in far less than 16 years.

All it takes is work. There are some odd jobs nobody wants to do. Guess what- that's where money is. Make money your #1 priority. Some people manage to work only 6 months per year on a oil rig and make a good living. What if you did that for 2 years? you'd get money and could afford FFS.

FFS is not cheap. Expect 20 to 30 grands, given inflation when you'll have the money ready. But you have time working for you. Hormones will help a lot. Age matters a lot more than anything else.

Only one thing disturbs me: you said you don't want FFS. Why then would you be bothering? First, you must make your mind. Your resolve must be firm. When there is a will, there is a way.

You can also opt to make money, wait to see how well HRT works, and reevaluate whether you want FFS in a year or two. Money will let you do a lot of things. It's never wrong to optimize for money.
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FFS done in 2015
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PsychedelicSage

Well I wouldn't want to work on an oil rig. I would have to sleep there and live there. I would have no access to any technology or the outside world and the only people I would be able to talk with are a bunch of straight men. I could not handle being trapped in an enclosed space with a bunch of men. that's like jail. Either way I have exercise induced asthma so I can't do any really physically strenuous jobs.


Well I really don't want to have to get FFS. But if I absolutely HAVE to get it to look female or at least femae-androgynous, I have no choice but to get it because I will never be happy with my appearence if I look really masculine. I don't want to be disgusted whenever I look in the mirror.

Maybe I'll start a gofundme for my surgeries. Like if I posted a picture of myself on it, people saw it, and I said I'm a trans girl on it, at least some people would feel very sorry for me because of how masculine I look and donate.

I suppose. Just making large amounts of money is difficult for me, especially in the area I live in. And I'm not able to get a full time job for at least two years because I'm starting college in the fall. I'll work in IT when I graduate but until them I have very little money and I can't change that.
Started HRT on 4-14-15 but it was DIY.
Started real prescribed HRT on 7-22-15 c:
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Julia-Madrid

Hi Sage

Working in IT is a great place to earn decent money, especially if you start something for yourself. (I've done it three times.)   So bide your time, stick with the hormones, and see where all of this takes you.  As I said, there is time.

Charlotte is totally correct - you can optimise for money if you want, and if it helps you reach a key personal goal then focus on it and make it happen.

Please permit me to offer some advice:  I understand that you have dysphoria, and it's no fun at all to look at yourself and wish you were different.  But, for heaven's sake, don't let this paralyse your life:  try to enjoy it and take advantage of what you've got.  You're a nice looking person, so make the most of it, even if you know deep inside that it's the wrong you.  Work hard and become a success. 

One final thing, where you said "at least some people would feel very sorry for me because of how masculine I look and donate".  Girlfriend, please don't cast yourself as a victim - it is a totally and utterly self-defeating position.  People who radiate positive energy go far in life - BE one of those people.

Go for a walk in a park; listen to the wind in the trees and the sound of the birds.  And resolve to make yourself a huge success. 

Tough love from Julia
xxx

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PsychedelicSage

Quote from: Julia-Madrid on May 29, 2015, 04:12:09 PM
Hi Sage

Working in IT is a great place to earn decent money, especially if you start something for yourself. (I've done it three times.)   So bide your time, stick with the hormones, and see where all of this takes you.  As I said, there is time.

Charlotte is totally correct - you can optimise for money if you want, and if it helps you reach a key personal goal then focus on it and make it happen.

Please permit me to offer some advice:  I understand that you have dysphoria, and it's no fun at all to look at yourself and wish you were different.  But, for heaven's sake, don't let this paralyse your life:  try to enjoy it and take advantage of what you've got.  You're a nice looking person, so make the most of it, even if you know deep inside that it's the wrong you.  Work hard and become a success. 

One final thing, where you said "at least some people would feel very sorry for me because of how masculine I look and donate".  Girlfriend, please don't cast yourself as a victim - it is a totally and utterly self-defeating position.  People who radiate positive energy go far in life - BE one of those people.

Go for a walk in a park; listen to the wind in the trees and the sound of the birds.  And resolve to make yourself a huge success. 

Tough love from Julia
xxx


Welll to be completely honest I've never had much of a life anyway xD I grew up without friends.

And to be honest, I don't really want to be around other people for right now because they'll all just see me as a man and not accept me. I mean once I look a somewhat decent amount more feminine, which might be in maybe three months, then I would be okay with seeing people and them seeing me. But until then all I really want to do is be a housebound hermit like I always have, lol.

But honestly my face still looks disfigured. Like my hormones are already making my face better but they have an awful lot of work to do. I don't really have anything good going for me right now looks wise, except for my body breasts down. Other than my face and shoulders and biceps I really do have a gorgeous and feminine body. Except for certain parts in my pants lol but I can live with that for now.


I don't know I just have trouble radiating positive energy when I look this way. But since I'm back in my hormones my confidence will get slowly better.

I am just so sick of being thought of as a man by people. It's insulting. Yeah my face and shoulders and biceps look pretty gross right now, but my body breasts down is already at a level no man could ever reach. Like I'm confident about my body breasts down, especially my butt lol. I'm just really self conscious about my face, biceps, and shoulders.
Started HRT on 4-14-15 but it was DIY.
Started real prescribed HRT on 7-22-15 c:
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charlotte15

Quote from: PsychedelicSage on May 29, 2015, 02:28:07 PM
Well I wouldn't want to work on an oil rig. I would have to sleep there and live there. I would have no access to any technology or the outside world and the only people I would be able to talk with are a bunch of straight men. I could not handle being trapped in an enclosed space with a bunch of men. that's like jail. Either way I have exercise induced asthma so I can't do any really physically strenuous jobs.

You have no idea what other people did or had to do. I had my fair share of health problems, and I still have a lot of scars. Some hurt when you rub them the wrong way - literally and figuratively.

When I was politely kicked out of my job because I was deemed unfit to work, I had to emigrate to another country with one backpack and 2 bags - because I couldn't pay for excess luggage. What couldn't fit or was too heavy had to be left behind.

You may wonder why I had to emigrate - because I also had debt, more than what I earned every month. I spent 6 years in a ultra retrograde place that had 2 redeeming virtues: a monthly wage greater than the monthly amount I owed, and a total ignorance of how bad my physical health was.

I remember some nights I prayed I would be hit by a car or be killed by a quick disease, because committing suicide was a mortal sin but I just couldn't take it anymore. I guess the night time was always bad for my mood.

When I was seriously considering FFS and getting contacts and comparing the quotes to my budget, I decided to spent almost every dollar I had (I've like 400 left), and on top of that took some debt, just because I couldn't let that opportunity pass.

Money is a flow. It comes, it goes. It comes more when you work more, and when you're ready to do whatever it takes. I'm sorry, I can't give you any pithy, so I will leave the discussion.

When I read some things that trigger me, like the paragraph above that stuck straight to my heart, I'm not sure I have any pithy left.
AA, Laser and Electrolysis since 2011
HRT since 2014
FFS done in 2015
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lovelessheart

Quote from: PsychedelicSage on May 28, 2015, 11:15:49 PM
It's going to be next to impossible for me to get FFS within a few years because I have no credit at all. The only way I can think of that I can afford it is if I either win the lottery, or go all Walter White lol. I'm just joking please don't call the police lol. But right now I have to live paycheck to paycheck and can't really save substantial amounts of money. I make roughly $4k a year right now. that will change once I graduate college, especially considering I'll be studying computer IT, but for the next two years I will only be making $4k a year.

Anyway I'm looking at Dr. Zukowski in the Chicago area because he is closest to me. I will not be able to travel outside the state for FFS. I have nobody to drive me home after the procedure other than my parents, and they won't pick me up outside of the state.

I have only been on hormones for about five weeks (ignore the slider timeline in my signature, I had to go off my hormones for about two weeks, I just got back on them yesterday). But in those five weeks I have gained about three inches of circumference around my hips, lost about three inches of circumerence around my waist, lost like over three inches of circumference around my shoulders, and lost three inches of circumference around my biceps. But keep in mind that I have worn a slightly cheap corset almost constantly since I started HRT. Also my breasts have gained about a cup size and have begun budding.

Anyway, what's really important is my face. Is there a big chance I will need FFS.? I want to be passable. I don't expect to be or even want to be supermodel gorgeous. i would be totally happy looking like an average looking woman or even a slightly below average looming woman. Or at the very absolute least, androgynous, leaning much more towards female looking. So female-androgynous. Preferably I don't want to have to get any surgery except for SRS/GRS.













Its true whay most of every one is saying.. Hormones are powerful and will change you face to some degree..

But for now if id say

Cheek implants
Forehead remodeling
Feminizing rhinoplasty
Jaw contouring
Chin contouring
Possible eyebrow lift


The rest would be to of course dress feminine.. And hair lol
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PsychedelicSage

#19
I really apologize if I triggered anyone  :-X
I'm just really frustrated because I have so many obstacles and I don't have good features to start with. And I have to wait so long. I just want to be able to be confident.
Yes I know that transitioning won't solve all my life's problems. But my biggest issue in life holding me back is really low confidence.
and I will not have extremely good or high self esteem until I at the very absolute least look androgynous.

Yes preferably I want to pass as female. But if that isn't possible, but I'm still able to look female-androgynous, life is still worth living for me.
The only way it wouldn't be worth living is if I'll always look excessively masculine and like a manly man for the rest of my life no matter what I do or how much hormones or surgery I get. That would honestly be a fate worse than death but there's very slim to no chance that's going to happen if my body is taking to hormones this well so soon.
Like if I posted a picture of myself before I ever had hormones, all of you would have laughed and thought, "that THING can never look anything like a woman!"  :laugh:

And when I first came out as transgender to my dad when I was eighteen, he wouldn't take me to get on hormones because he thought I looked too masculine for hormones or surgery to do anything. He sat me down and started belittling me and verbally pointing out every single excessively masculine trait I have and pretty much rubning it in my face. He said that I was really deluded if I honestly thought I'd ever be able to look anything like a woman.
But after five weeks of DIY this year, he apologized to me and admitted I already looked more feminine than he thought I ever could, and took me to get my hormones prescribed a few days ago.

So there has been SOME improvement already. Otherwise my father (who was COMPLETELY against me transitioning, he's only started warming up to it now) and my traditional Christian psychiatrist would not have said I look more feminine already.

Like when I went to see my VERY hardcore Christian psychiatrist the other day, she even admitted my features already look more feminine.

Honestly everybody keeps telling me my nose is soooo awful.
But it really isn't THAT bad. It could be way worse than it is. Like my dad's nose is way worse than mine, he has like a big total beak/hook nose with a big bump in it. What my old martial arts teacher would refer to as a beezer, lol. Not that there's anything wrong with that but he isn't transitioning lol. I'm extremely lucky because for the most part I got a lot of my mom's features, facially at least. And I already have a better waist to hip ratio then her.. I'm not sure why, I believe my grandmother on my mother's side was a very beautiful woman, I just have never seen her since I was under a year old because my mother hates her lol. I saw a picture of her a few years ago and she honestly looks a bit like Marilyn Monroe, even though in the picture I saw she had to be like about fifty. And I think she has an hourglass figure. My great grandmother on my mother's side was a voluptuous woman. Also my half sisters on my dad's side are both very beautiful and pretty much have hourglass figures.

So my genetics seem promising.

But I honestly find big noses on girls to be cute, provided their nose doesn't have a huge bump in it. Not that there's anything wrong with anyone who has a nose like that, it's still possible to be cute even if you do have a bump in your nose.

Like Lucy from the show The Big Bang Theory.? She has a nose the size of mine, if not larger, but she's still adorable. And her noise even has more of a bump in it than mine.









And to be honest I think the thing that's really dragging my appearance into the gutter right now is my hair. Like if I had bangs that covered a good amount of my forehead I would look a hundred times better. Like look at the pictures of myself I have put in this thread. Take your hand and cover my forehead, pretending I have bangs. Does that not look drastically better? I never plan on wearing my hair back anyway, I want a pixie style cut.

And right now I am actually eating a lot of fatty things all the time and going to sleep right after that sometimes to gain as much fat as possible so my hormones have more to work with. That's actually how sumo wrestlers gain weight very quickly, they stuff their faces then go right to sleep lol. So my face will get at least a LITTLE wider. And my hips will most likely get much wider, both from redistributed fat and the fact that a lot of people's hips don't totally fuse until they're like 25, so my hips probably aren't completely fused yet. They look drastically wider already than they ever have in my life anyway.



WAIT. I thought you had to completely pay for all plastic surgery in full right before you get it.?

That's awesome to hear. I can get FFS and SRS and get into like $80,000 or more of debt. And if I'm not able to pay it, worst case scenario, I get thrown in a women's prison. Correct me if I'm wrong but if you have had SRS done the prison system is legally required to house you in a women's prison for your own safety.
Honestly being in a women's prison as a woman is a thousand times better to me than to be free and have to live as a man forever. And no I am not just saying that because of Orange Is The New Black lol, I actually have been to jail. Not for any violent or crazy offenses or anything lol, it's just a long story.



Like honestly my features could be so much worse, like some people's faces are much longer and narrower than mine, and their face is like 40% chin. Like I do have a smaller chin at least length wise than a good amount of men.

So I just need to grow my hair out, get electrolysis done in the meantime, and let hormones do their thing and see what happens. I mean, hormones can't possibly make me look any worse, so I should be grateful for that.
Started HRT on 4-14-15 but it was DIY.
Started real prescribed HRT on 7-22-15 c:
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