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Starting to Come Out Publicly

Started by Jacqueline, June 05, 2015, 03:50:06 PM

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Jacqueline

Hi all,

Looking for experiences or suggestions.

Anyone keeping track and playing along at home may know some of my process and position right now. I'll briefly(hopefull) recap and get to the root of the question/s.

I am middle aged and have had bouts of cross dressing and purging for my whole life. I started around 9 by borrowing. I was found out a few times at different ages. I always thought (since it sort of came and went) I could beat it. Last January I read enough information and tracking my past history realized, it would never go away. I only realized and accepted that I was not a cross dresser but MTF, about 2 months ago.

Here is the thing. Except for those several, humiliating moments where I was caught, I was never public. I rarely had a full wardrobe. Mostly just some underthings that I would under dress with when brave enough. For a short period of time I had a dress and appropriate undergarments. I did wear it to a party where a number of us went cross dressed(as a lark-how many times have we all read that?). I can honestly tell you that the feeling of that dress, character shoes, I wasn't balding then and had hair below my shoulders and not having to hide was one of my most alive moments in my life. However, that all went the way of purges.

I am out to my wife and have started under dressing 24/7. I have purchased several pair of women's jeans and slacks. I had forgotten that in college I wore a pair and found the "at waist" or "high waist" fit me better than any pants I had owned. It seems it is still true. So I am kind of in male mode dressing stealthily. That is one of my questions. Are there many that start this way? Not going out publicly? My therapist is pretty convinced that I am MTF but has not pushed me to go public yet.

I am still pre everything and just about to start electrolysis. The only thing feminine about me is my essence and some of my clothes. Should I be starting to collect full outfits that are not stealthy? Should I just be getting used to it in privacy or should I rip the band aid off and once I get everything start going out? I know some folks will go out to support groups or areas where they might not be recognized first. Is it best to try to set a time line so I won't keep hidden the entire time?

I also know that only I can make these decisions. However, I would love any feed back any of you feel comfortable sharing. Thank you in advance.

With gratitude,

Joanna
1st Therapy: February 2015
First Endo visit & HRT StartJanuary 29, 2016
Jacqueline from Joanna July 18, 2017
Full Time June 1, 2018





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suzifrommd

Here is my experience:
* I refused to go out unless I at least thought I might possibly pass. I made a checklist of all the things I needed before I would go out the first time. That checklist still exists here, in case it's helpful. Prior to going out the first time, I had NEVER crossdressed.
* Once I went out for the first time, my girl clothes "called" to me. I had to do it again. That's what drew me to buying a couple more outfits.
* I got passing tips from here and people I knew IRL. I had a few rough outings where people stared at me and it was obvious I was being clocked, but I slowly got better at it.
* I went out at least once a week. I typically would meet a friend or go shopping, usually somewhere a bit of a drive from where I lived so I wouldn't run into anyone I wasn't ready to come out to.
* I joined an all-female feminist reading group (trans-friendly. I didn't try stealth.) It was an amazing experience to be among women, and it convinced me that I had to do this full time.
* I later joined a divorced/separated support group and socialized with a mixed group as Suzi.

All this happened over the course of about nine months. At some point I drew up another checklist of what I needed in order to go full time (can you tell I used to be an engineer).

My advice is that when you do go out, go out as if you own the world. Passing or not, you have a right to be yourself. If you pass, enjoy every minute of it. If not, hold your head high and show them the proud face of transgender.

I really hope this helps.
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Dena

When I started out, I always went out fully dressed and had accumulated a number of outfits as i knew I would be going full time. Much of what I started with was mail-order from JC Penneys and didn't set me back a great deal. The more expensive outfits came after I was full time. I explained what was going on with the butcher before appearing cross dressed before him but all other shops I switched and didn't worry. I used my group meetings as as starting point and if we went out for food after the meeting, I would always go along. Then I lost my job and there was no time like the present to go full time.
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AbbyKat

I'm kinda doing that, I suppose.  My therapist thinks I'm in girl-mode, for the most part even though I'm just wearing fairly androgynous stuff (girl clothes but I'm talking cargo pants and regular tops.  I wear foundation and mascara but nothing else, really.

The reason I like this approach is that it doesn't put any pressure on me to pass.  I just started HRT so I'm probably going to continue doing this until I start getting gendered as a woman and then I'll probably femme it up a bit.  Until then, nobody sees me as a transgender person trying to pass and nobody treats me differently.  If I went out in a full dress and bright make-up, however, I'd be a target of unwanted attention.  So in otherwords, I don't see a problem taking it slow.   

For now, it's a very relaxed way to transition.
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Mariah

You to find what works for you best which is the best suggestion any of us can give. For me I ramped things up over time. Starting from andro to completely going feminine. Besides my body being free of hair for most of a year and at least a month or so on my face one of the first things I did was get my ears pierced. Sure people will notice but on the over all even guys where them. Anyway that is where I started. Now having said that with anything you do please be mindful of any work policies that are in place because you certainly don't want to get in trouble or be forced to come out before your ready. Hugs
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Jacqueline

Thanks all,

Some great suggestions. Thanks for sharing your experiences. Suzi thanks for the check list link.

I am 50 and have more hair everywhere else other than the top of my head. So unless I am feeling 80s Sinead O'Connor I think I may have to invest in a wig or two. (probably start a little cheaper then look into human or high quality synthetic.).

Have had one ear pierced for years and was thinking about getting the other one done.

Being 50, when I get around to hormones I am not sure I will shift very much physically. Except that woman my height tend to have a good sized chest I have no real urge yet to get a large cup size. I guess I am more thinking of the rounding, losing some muscle mass and shifting of weight around. Long intro to I guess I need to find out what looks okay on my frame.

From there, check Suzi's and my lists, then it's all the mental work?

Anyway, thanks again to all.

With loving thoughts,

Joanna
1st Therapy: February 2015
First Endo visit & HRT StartJanuary 29, 2016
Jacqueline from Joanna July 18, 2017
Full Time June 1, 2018





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Tiffanie

The first few times I was called ma'am I wasn't even out of the closet.  I had long hair and wore gender neutral clothes.

When I did come out my wife was actually the one who took me places (my wife, my son and one of my nieces).  Pam made sure I was mostly presentable.

We started simple, like quick trips to the store and built to longer exposures in more crowded places. 

iKate


Quote from: Abysha on June 05, 2015, 08:16:18 PM
I'm kinda doing that, I suppose.  My therapist thinks I'm in girl-mode, for the most part even though I'm just wearing fairly androgynous stuff (girl clothes but I'm talking cargo pants and regular tops.  I wear foundation and mascara but nothing else, really.

The reason I like this approach is that it doesn't put any pressure on me to pass.  I just started HRT so I'm probably going to continue doing this until I start getting gendered as a woman and then I'll probably femme it up a bit.  Until then, nobody sees me as a transgender person trying to pass and nobody treats me differently.  If I went out in a full dress and bright make-up, however, I'd be a target of unwanted attention.  So in otherwords, I don't see a problem taking it slow.   

For now, it's a very relaxed way to transition.

I also go out androgynous. However, boobs make it very unmistakeable that I'm a woman. I wear makeup sometimes but never to work (not yet anyway) and it's light.

But going out to the supermarket? I'm not going to do my makeup fully.
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JoanneB

I doubt a therapist will "push" you to do anything unless you yourself keep saying "I wanna... I wanna....I wanna...." yet NEVER do anything at all. Even then it may be obvious any of those wannas are way out of your comfort zone and you haven't reached the point of "I just don't give a %$#$#" anymore

You need to do what is comfortable for you. There are NO RULES, NO SCHEDULES, NO HAVE TO's" I've been trans all my life. I never purged, nor have I ever over-indulged (if there is even such a thing). I've worn womens panties for a large portion of my adult life. I wear a lot of women's jeans mainly because they do fit me well with my big hips and high waist. I've been on HRT for about 6 years now. I learned that I can go out into the real world as the real me. I achieved my lifelong dream of being seen as and accepted as a woman (in a part-time sense). Yet... I still live and present primarily as male. TODAY.

Baby Steps

One little itty bitty step at a time. One's that you know can, and importantly want to/need to take For Yourself. After all, this is primarily what you need to do for you. That "You" can and does include the other people and things in your life that are important to you. Only you can render final judgement on what is truly important and takes top priority. Now, if you are constantly waking up now and thinking I can't live another day as a male, what you need to do seems pretty clear to me. Only one choice of the two viable ones offers a do-over.

Keep in mind, what you feel and are thinking Today, can and will likely change in the future. You may wake up one day and say WTF? or "I got that out of my system". just as likely as waking up one day and realizing that "Transition is just another word for nothing left to loose" Either can happen, both can happen. I sure had plenty of "WTF am I doing ??? " meltdowns my first few years. Still do today. I also have plenty of "F' It. I can't do this anymore" moments. I know I am far from alone in having these feelings.
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Missy D

It's all about confidence. Or accepting the fact that you don't have to apologise for the fact that you exist and just going with the fact of being a woman - after all we come in many varieties.

I'll tell you a funny story, which is both life affirming and life changing in a minute. But for the time being let's concentrate on people watching. We notice unusual people and pay them greater attention. Over time I've seen the odd woman who caused me to think "is she?". Don't hate me for doing that, I've already hated myself for thinking it, but the reason was generally something about behaviour rather than appearance. In all cases there was something on the edge of my perception. What to call it? Furtiveness? Perhaps being withdrawn. It's weird - when we actively try and deflect attention from ourselves we quite often end up attracting it. Which leads to the opposite. What of the dozens, hundreds maybe of trans women I've seen or spoken to or otherwise fleetingly encountered who haven't registered at all? What did they do? The answer is nothing more than present as comfortable in their own identities.

We attach credence to something called 'Expert Power' in sociological terms. Usually it's used to describe the phenomenon where we tend to believe the expert when they tell us something, or give information concerning a topic we know little about. We make the assumption they know the answer, or their opinion is somehow correct, based on our perception of them and the overall power relationship.

Which is something we can use to our advantage. Or at least I've tried it and it seems to work. Simply put, be the 'expert' when presenting gender to someone who hasn't yet formed an impression. As long as it's done with enough confidence, other people are less likely to question and more likely to distrust any contrary cues. If nothing about your manner suggests doubt in the fact that you are female, then it's less likely to translate into doubt in others' minds. I don't have to full on say "Hi, I'm a girl" - but I can work on various ways of implying it. If this sounds daunting, it is. I was terrified the first time I went out!

Now for the funny story. This was my first time out in London (I don't live there, only kind of near it). I'd gone up on a Saturday in order to meet someone and was dressed for a semi-smart occasion: black trousers, ballerinas, blue blouse and a black jacket. Plus a little makeup and some jewellery. Anyway I needed to cross one of the large parks in the middle of the city. Went in and, in usual ditzy style, paid no attention at all to my surroundings. Which was working fine until I realised I had wandered in to the middle of a women-only, national level charity running race. Lots of people were walking, as it was near the end and it's generally for amateur entrants. So that part wasn't a problem. What was, kind of, was finding myself in the middle of a crowd of several thousand women in pink themed fancy dress. On a route past even larger numbers of spectators.

Did anyone care? Of course not, nobody even noticed I was there. I was eventually ejected by a marshal as I didn't have the relevant race number! I had attempted to leave the course after realising I shouldn't be on it but there were barriers everywhere. Quite why there wasn't one at the point I stumbled in to the race I have no idea. Never mind.

What was, simply, life changing about that was the overwhelming impression that nobody was at all bothered. I know it's more difficult in a small town and perhaps in other, more conservative places. But I think it served to highlight the fact that most people care about themselves, their families and their friends. Not what some random person on the other side of the street is doing. So use that to your advantage and let them get on with it! They don't really want to think about you, so let them carry on with their solipsism. It's so difficult at first, but once you've gone through the initial difficult phase then being in public shifts from being oppressive to liberating. I'm not going to lie though - gatecrashing a running race possibly isn't the best place to start!!!

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Jacqueline

Missy D,

Thank you for the suggestions and the story. You sound very well grounded. I would like to think I am as well. However, my only lacking confidence is in myself. It is a flaw I have had all my life. I actually think it has been connected to a self loathing I felt.

Having, after decades, come to the realization of who I really am, I think it is time to change that feeling(along with some other things). Thanks again. I hope your journey and clarity continues smoothly.

With warm thoughts,

Joanna
1st Therapy: February 2015
First Endo visit & HRT StartJanuary 29, 2016
Jacqueline from Joanna July 18, 2017
Full Time June 1, 2018





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