Do you think our genes give us a good sense intuitivly of being female

[stephaniec]

Given the fact that we share equally the parental genes . Genes from both male and female , which is true for everyone , would you think our consciousness should intuitively comprehend both aspects of our being human, such that replacing the proper mixture of hormones, which is really all that is missing it determining the sexes, thus giving us the same sense of our state of being as whether we intuitively feel truly male or female depending on the balance of hormones. The genes react to the hormones the same in either male or female because male and female carry the exact gene therefore the expression of those genes are determined by the hormones. What I'm trying to say that your intuitive feeling of being male or female is the exact same for all males and females. So if your a woman your a woman. Just a random thought.

[Deinewelt]

Well for one thing, the X chromosome is essentially the common base genetic material that all humans, male and female, share.  This is why I always disagree with the whole argument that AMAB can not transition to female because, AFAIK, most, if not all, secondary sex characteristics are determined by hormones.  Because this is true, the Y chromosome mostly effects the body through hormone production that essentially trigger other Y chromosome genes in the body.  By modifying the hormones, you are shutting down those triggers and the resulting human form is, in my opinion, completely female.

Also, many believe that hormone levels in early development can have an impact upon the brain, which is one current theory as to why we are the way we are.

I also believe that this can be spiritual as well where one may be a feminine spirit.  I think of myself as being feminine spiritually and physically in mind and body but happen to be AMAB.

[Randi]

My mother was given DES (diethylstilbestrol) while she was pregnant with me.  Approximately 1/3 of DES sons have been diagnosed as transsexual.  The other 2/3 are probably still in denial.  A heavy does of an estrogenic hormone in-utero is bound to have a powerful effect.

Also, many believe that hormone levels in early development can have an impact upon the brain, which is one current theory as to why we are the way we are.

[Martine A.]

I actually believe in theory that hormonal cocktail fed to child while it is still in mother's womb has influence.
My mom told me many times she wanted to get a daughter really bad. Maybe sole mother's wish can make it happen. Maybe it was just some drugs she took and my 'fairy tale'-like belief is just a nice wrap.

Anyhow, I believe my mind was wired before birth to become a woman's one. While I can't get my brain scanned, I can note some physical characteristics that persisted -- index fingers longer than the ring ones, and my chest being narrower than my hip to name a few. Also, my body was mostly hairless until 30s; then I got some more body hair but am still quite hairless. It is not all bright of course. I have the package, and am the tallest in my close family - 6'.

So, maybe it is just me but I like to think that theory is true. I hope one day I can give my mom at least some comfort by telling her she had done it right in the end and that I am happy being a daughter after all.

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To the hrt -- when I get to it, I expect it to help me adapt my body. I am already emotional as hell. Many smells make me sick. I cry a lot just because. I don't think I can realistically get much 'better' at such activities.

Oh yes, I also heard hrt could reduce my height and size of my feet. I would welcome those changes.

[Auroramarianna]

No, I don't. I think being trans is an epigenetic condition and there isn't just one cause or reason, there are various. Also, what do you define by woman's mind? Any woman's mind is way too variable to know for sure what would define it as woman or man, or if there any differences at all. What is known is that sex dismorphism is influenced by hormones in the womb. I am afraid it doesn't support all the case of those who transitioned in middle age and lived quite successful lives as "men".

[Mariah]

I don't think we can point to one thing. Maybe genes play a role and maybe they don't I'm sure hormones do play a role in time. How I function and feel now is so much easier and free now then it ever was before. It reminds of a time before puberty when I didn't feel bogged down by testosterone. Hugs
Mariah

[Zoetrope]

I think it is far more a experiential matter.

Perhaps genetics provide the potential for an identify to arise - we still cannot really say - but it is through the socio-psychological that identify is fully manifested.

[Naeree]

I use to read an article about a research on transgender persons and their chromosome, I'm not a scientist so I will put in easy conclusion from what I got from that article which is, the male to female transsexual person basically have the xy chromosome which define the body appearance. But the brainwave of the male to female transsexual person have exactly the same as female brain wave. That mean we are born with female soul. You can google more about this for more detail.

[cindianna_jones]

I think we are all a little different in the whys and how's.. The plain facts are that we do not know for sure. I only know how I felt growing up and my change solved at least that problem.

[timh1996]

I wish I was a girl


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[Laura_7]

There are parts of the brain different in women and men.
During fetal development, body and brain develop at different times. Various substance levels, at different times, can cause a mismatch, in individual stages.
https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,186458.msg1664590.html#msg1664590
Xy is mostly a factor before birth, for organ development. After birth its inactive in most cells.

Hormones can help shift a bit more emotionally if you are susceptible to it like tg people are imo.
By the way it was also found bird singing helps synchronize brain halves and feel more at ease. So taking a walk or listening to (maybe even selfmade ) recorded nature sounds might be an idea. (Just let birds live free, recorded sounds do as well. Or put some birdseed out )
It might also help with creativity etc.

And hormones have an influence on the body.
According to studies, cells from a neovagina can shift to becoming a mucosa over time.
https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,149304.msg1682002.html#msg1682002
Trans men grow more muscles... etc...


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[Laura_7]

I wish I was a girl


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Well... you could have a look here:
https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,188309.msg1674885.html#msg1674885

*hugs* and welcome

[Swayallday]

Or our receptors lacking in androgen-reception in the first place.
androgens/estrogens/progestogens are just the sex-related ones, there are also mineralocorticoids and glucocorticoids & other regulatory modulators...
Seeing as there are over 400 mutations revolving AIS it doesn't surprise me anymore.

[stephaniec]

My mother was given DES (diethylstilbestrol) while she was pregnant with me.  Approximately 1/3 of DES sons have been diagnosed as transsexual.  The other 2/3 are probably still in denial.  A heavy does of an estrogenic hormone in-utero is bound to have a powerful effect.

The more I become aware of this situation of the DES it gives me pause as to my own particular situation. My parents have both passed so I can't find out if I was given it or not , but I was born in 1951 and would of been right in that time frame. It makes sense that it's possible because of how early I was affected (age 4) or at least became aware of a need for estrogen. Once on got on HRT my brain just said thank you. This is only a very small percentage of people with dysphoria and it was discontinued in the very early 70's, so there is a much greater issue except for something else causing the estrogen bath in pregnancy. It's made me think though.

[Jenna Marie]

I think if you get a dozen cis women and another dozen cis men in a room and ask them what it feels like to be "intuitively" their gender, you'll get at least 30 answers. And that's *without* bringing trans people into the mix.

(Basically, I don't think it could possibly be "the exact same" for everyone.)

[iKate]

I am afraid it doesn't support all the case of those who transitioned in middle age and lived quite successful lives as "men".

Some of us were trying not to be killed in our teen years and 20s. Some of us also really didn't know what to do about our different feelings about ourselves.

Don't judge people who aren't like you. Just saying.

[kittenpower]

I'm past questioning reasons why. I think, therefore I am...

[Auroramarianna]

Some of us were trying not to be killed in our teen years and 20s. Some of us also really didn't know what to do about our different feelings about ourselves.

Don't judge people who aren't like you. Just saying.

Oh don't talk me like I don't know. Just because iI am young does not mean I haven't been through a lot.

And really? So, you "hid your femininity", how did you do that? Cause you know I was beaten, called a ->-bleeped-<-got and humiliated and wasnt even wearing girl clothes. And I couldn't hide at all. It was obvious to anyone. Femininity isn't something you can hide if it is a pervasive social behavior and it is just the way you are seen. So, yes, it is offensive when people said hid their femininity to avoid bullying. Gender non conforming cannnot hide their difference very well and it is not "fake" or "put on", it is how they are naturally. This is exactly the thing parents tell to their kids when they face bullying, "hide it, be more masculine/feminine/whatever" "if you only ypu weren't so different you would have friends..." this puts the blame on victim, which is why i hate sayings like that. It is just nasty. If you had been seen as feminine you would know, trust me. The bullying would have been unreleting.

[iKate]

Oh don't talk me like I don't know. Just because iI am young does not mean I haven't been through a lot.

And really? So, you "hid your femininity", how did you do that? Cause you know I was beaten, called a ->-bleeped-<-got and humiliated and wasnt even wearing girl clothes. And I couldn't hide at all. It was obvious to anyone. Femininity isn't something you can hide if it is a pervasive social behavior and it is just the way you are seen. It isn't something you can hide, it is just the way you are seen by people. So, yes, it is offensive when people said hid their femininity to avoid bullying. Gender non conforming cannnot hide their difference very well and it is not "fake" or "put on", it is how they are naturally. This is exactly the thing parents tell to their kids when they face bullying, "hide it, be more masculine/feminine/whatever" this puts the blame on victim, which is why i hate sayings like that.

Um, yes it is something you can hide.

So essentially you are invalidating older trans women who have had to hide their femininity as a form of survival? That is such utter nonsense and it is clear that you are taking today's acceptance of trans and gender non conforming people totally for granted.

You are lucky, you are young, and today society is accepting. But back in the days of Lynn Conway there was really no choice. Even in the 80s when I grew up, if you even REMOTELY act feminine you were beaten back into the closet. Do you know how many times my father told me, "hey that's for WOMEN boy!!!" when referring to my clothes, or the way I acted? I cried so much trying to just be myself. I eventually just gave the hell up. You telling me this is unusual and the only valid trans people are those who couldn't hide it?

Clearly, you have a lot to learn.

Not only that, but look at the number of people coming out today at younger ages versus older. This alone shoots a huge hole in your theory and all the other nonsense. This is a direct result of society becoming more accepting, so people like me and people like a lot more of us don't have to hide anymore.

You grew up in America, right? Go to the Caribbean and tell me how you can't hide anything. Trust me. You will find a way to hide.

[stephaniec]

I think we need to calm down a little please, sorry but were talking about genes.