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I cannot be unhappier since I transitioned

Started by transitionregrets, August 04, 2015, 06:52:29 AM

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transitionregrets

I know this post will be very unpopular and I will be hated, but I need to vent. Wherever I go online, I read about how happy people are after they transitioned. I lost my family, job, career, money, health, dignity and, above all, I lost my freedom to go out and be unnoticed to the public. For what? For a stupid transition. Was it worth it? No. People kept telling me "you will be so happy after you transition, you will finally be yourself". Couldn't be further from the truth.  I envy those unpassable crossdressers (no disrespect meant) who say they are very happy being out in public as women. Not for me. If I was passable as a woman, I would totally be happy, but, after all the pain I endured and money I have spent, to the general public, I am just a man with bad plastic surgery.

I guess the most painful thing for me was to fly to the US to have the best FFS surgeon in the world (now retired) charge me over 50 k and work on my face. He promised he could make me passable, but not pretty. I was stupid enough to buy into his marketing stuff. "I cannot promise to make you pretty, but I will make you passable". After full FFS, I am not passable and the most unpassable thing is my face. I had hairline lowering, type III forehead reconstruction, nose job (came out really bad), lip lift, jaw, chin, trachea shave... you name it. It was all useless. People, FFS is not all it is cracked up to be. It might work on some people, but not on some. In my case, I have an extremely long-tall horse face and, no matter what is done to my face, it will always look manly. I wish my surgeon had warned me about that, but, he did not.

Either way, I hope my post is not taken as confrontational. I wanted to vent and I wanted to see if there are other people who are unhappy after they transitioned. I feel we have an obligation towards beginners to make it clear that transition is not all that rosy.
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Ms Grace

Welcome to the forum.

You are welcome to vent. That is your experience and I am sorry to hear that has been the case. On this forum we always tell people they are the sole judge of their gender identity and any decision to transition. We do not tell people they should/must/need to transition, it is their own decision. Likewise while we understand that others have negative experiences for any number of reasons we do not permit them to use that as a reason or platform to try and talk anyone out of transition.

If you are unhappy please talk to a medical professional that can help you deal with your regret/anger/disappointment.
Grace
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Self-denial: 1991-2013
Transition 2.0 (Grace): HRT June 24 2013
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transitionregrets

MS grace, thanks for welcoming me on the forum. I was in no way trying to talk others out of transition. However, both sides should be heard. The goods and the bads. As for therapists, I have gone to several therapists in these years and they have all been useless. Completely. A therapist cannot change the circumstances that make me unhappy. Talk therapy has been useless. What made you think that I had not tried it already? Thanks
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Cindy Stephens

I firmly believe that stories like yours are necessary, informative, cautionary, and should be listened to.  At least as the other side of the story.  It shouldn't and won't stop those who are truly "transition or die."  After years of attending trans support groups, I have found few who have made successful transitions.  Most lost everything.  This is very true for those girls "of a certain age."  Now, I have a wife that is very supportive, had the facial hair removed, and been on hormones for at least a decade.  If I could take a pill and be a passable, but plain Jane girl tomorrow, I would.  But I can't and the costs are far to great, at least while I had to make a living.  The very conservative area I live in doesn't help.  Sometimes it seems almost competitive in some of the postings.   

Now some ARE successful.  The younger ones especially.  I am not trying to in any way dissuade someone from the attempt.  Just that my observations in the real world is that it is much harder for most, and impossible for some, to successfully do it.  At least compared to many of the easy peasy success stories I read.  I hope you find your true path, and work out where on the continuum you can find both internal peace as well as a smooth integration with society. 
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Mariah

We have no way of knowing what you have and have not tried. She was offering a suggestion is all. We only know what you tell us about your experience and what we know from our own experiences. It's true a therapist can't. It's possible another surgeon might be able to do something about what has already been done. Have you tried contacting other surgeons and seeing what they say. I know the shape of the face is bothering you, but who knows maybe something can be done about it. Also one big thing about face shape is a hairstyle that goes with that face shape is important. Anyway those are just ideas. Welcome to Susan's.

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Quote from: transitionregrets on August 04, 2015, 07:48:53 AM
MS grace, thanks for welcoming me on the forum. I was in no way trying to talk others out of transition. However, both sides should be heard. The goods and the bads. As for therapists, I have gone to several therapists in these years and they have all been useless. Completely. A therapist cannot change the circumstances that make me unhappy. Talk therapy has been useless. What made you think that I had not tried it already? Thanks
If you have any questions, please feel free to ask me.
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kittenpower

Yes, it happens, and I'm sorry that you feel the way you do. It's awesome that we support and encourage each other, but sometimes the truth is stretched to make someone feel better about themselves, and while this is great for the moment, there can be consequences in the future.
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transitionregrets

I see the "go to see a therapist" advice being thrown here and there, all the time and it makes me wonder why people assume someone has not seen a therapist yet. I am from a different country, however, my observation is that the power of psychotherapists' is very much exaggerated. As for hairstyles, been there, done that. Thank you. A hairstyle cannot camouflage a very long, tall, masculine face, no matter what. Not to mention that a hairstyle won't work in most situations that require hair pulled back.
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Mariah

Your right it doesn't always help in the cases where you have to pull your hair back. Considering how you feel and where your at now what do you want to do now in regards to your transition? Hugs
Mariah
Quote from: transitionregrets on August 04, 2015, 08:14:03 AM
I see the "go to see a therapist" advice being thrown here and there, all the time and it makes me wonder why people assume someone has not seen a therapist yet. I am from a different country, however, my observation is that the power of psychotherapists' is very much exaggerated. As for hairstyles, been there, done that. Thank you. A hairstyle cannot camouflage a very long, tall, masculine face, no matter what. Not to mention that a hairstyle won't work in most situations that require hair pulled back.
If you have any questions, please feel free to ask me.
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transitionregrets

I want to detransition, that is what I want to do, and, hopefully, I want to talk to people who have detransitioned. Now, be careful. I do not mean to detransition because I do not feel like a woman. Not at all. I want to detransition because I have tried everything humanly possible and I do not pass, mostly due to my grossly masculine face which was made even worse by FFS. FFS cannot make someone's face feminine, in most cases. I also could not agree more with this

but sometimes the truth is stretched to make someone feel better about themselves, and while this is great for the moment, there can be consequences in the future.


When the truth is stretched, people start living in a fantasy world. The truth was definitely stretched for me. It is hard to trust another surgeon since they all give you false hopes and it is a business for them
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Mariah

Your right it is a business to them. I can understand that. The route we eventually go down, no matter which we choose, isn't easy. You might want to take a look at the detransitioning part of the forums. A few of us who are transitioning now also detransitioned once upon a time for various reasons. Anyway we are here to help in anyway we can. It's always good to vent and share. Good luck and hugs.
Mariah
Quote from: transitionregrets on August 04, 2015, 08:25:49 AM
I want to detransition, that is what I want to do, and, hopefully, I want to talk to people who have detransitioned. Now, be careful. I do not mean to detransition because I do not feel like a woman. Not at all. I want to detransition because I have tried everything humanly possible and I do not pass, mostly due to my grossly masculine face which was made even worse by FFS. FFS cannot make someone's face feminine, in most cases. I also could not agree more with this

but sometimes the truth is stretched to make someone feel better about themselves, and while this is great for the moment, there can be consequences in the future.


When the truth is stretched, people start living in a fantasy world. The truth was definitely stretched for me. It is hard to trust another surgeon since they all give you false hopes and it is a business for them
If you have any questions, please feel free to ask me.
[email]mariahsusans.orgstaff@yahoo.com[/email]
I am also spouse of a transgender person.
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StartingOver

Sorry to hear you're not happy with how things have gone, transitionregrets.  As for the FFS stuff, you're right: no amount of FFS will make a highly-masculine face look feminine.  More feminine, perhaps, but there's a limit to what FFS surgeons can do.  They'll take your money and make your promises, however, so you're right to caution against believing every word that comes out of an FFS surgeon's mouth.  It is a business to them (and in some cases a highly lucrative business), and they're not in it for the primary purpose of improving our lives, but rather for the primary purpose of improving their bank balances.  I'd go so far as to say that the current "top" FFS surgeons in the US are milking the trans community and feeding us mutton dressed as lamb.  They see an opportunity to take advantage of some very insecure individuals who would pay any amount to change their faces, but that's a whole different post for a whole different discussion.

My concern is that you seem (1) surprised that your transition was not a glowing success, and (2) rather reluctant to take much responsibility for the outcome.  It's common knowledge that there's many of us (me, for example) who won't be "passable" when all is said and done.

No matter what anyone says to me, I'm pretty realistic in terms of what I'll look like and how I'll be treated afterwards.  From my starting point, there's no chance in hell that I'll end up beautiful; jeez, I might not even end up remotely feminine.  But it's no surprise, and by the sounds of things, you shouldn't have been too surprised when you had the physical outcome you ended up with either.  We're all stuck with our individual starting points, and we can only really hope for so much movement towards femininity regardless of what others tell us.  Common sense, really.

My transition is also entirely my fault.  Nobody puts the pills in my mouth except me.  No surgeon takes a knife to my face without my full and clear consent.  No surgeon starts hacking away at my private parts until I've clearly demonstrated to him or her that I fully understand what I'm doing and that I take full responsibility for the outcome (excluding, of course, medical errors.)  Sure, there's a whole bunch of marketing BS that is thrown at us as surgeons compete for our hard-earned dollars, but I think that most of us see it for what it really is: puffery.  But I've done my research, taken my time, and also taken my chances with the whole transition process.  And regardless, it's entirely my own decision.  To claim that you were swayed into anything by listening to a surgeon's sales pitch strikes me as a little unusual.  Surely the largest part of your decision-making process was independent research and thought?

Your post also comes across as very "hey guys, 50% chance you'll love transition and 50% chance you'll hate the outcome."  There may be good and less good outcomes, but it's still rather rare for anyone to get to the point of being post-surgery before they realize that transition is not for them.  Off the top of my head, I'd suggest that for people who get as far down the road as you have with transition, 90% are happier than before.  So while caution should be emphasized, so should the fact that the vast majority of us are so much happier for having transitioned than we would have been if we had not.

I hate to offer such a strongly-worded counterpoint to your posts, transitionregrets, but I think there's a couple of rather glaring issues with your transition that probably led you to the unhappy place you currently occupy.

A little research, introspective thought, and responsibility for your actions would have virtually guaranteed that you'd either have not transitioned in the first place or been happy with the results you were able to achieve.

So where now?  I know you hate this suggestion, but therapy?  Not a gender therapist, but one who might help you deal with regret.  Also how about FFS revision work?  What else about you is unpassable?  Body size?  Hair loss?  Mannerisms and voice?  Is this "all in your head" and do you actually pass rather well but merely think you don't?  How about working on not giving a damn what other people think and living your life in a way that makes you happy?  I don't know what other suggestions to offer, but please don't spend the remainder of your days feeling sorry for yourself.  It's no way to live.

All the best.
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Devlyn

Big hug! Welcome to Susan's Place! We're here for you no matter where your path takes you.  :)  Do you have a name we can use?

I'm one of the unpassable crossdressers. Usually it doesn't bother me, but just last week I had a meltdown too. We're all human and we have expectations of how we want things to go. It can hurt when we're rejected. Vent here as often as you need, we understand even if we haven't walked your path.

Hugs, Devlyn
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AnonyMs

Thanks for posting this. While its difficult to read your story, without hearing the negative sides of these things we wouldn't be able to make our own informed decisions.

I'm not socially transitioning for now because I don't want to mess up my life and I'm not desperate enough yet. I'm taking HRT, but presenting male. I wasn't really considering the chances of not being passable though. Its something to think about. I'm not sure how you go about understanding that?

I've a pretty poor opinion of doctors in general, so I can relate to what's said here about surgeons and money. It fits with my cynical view of things. However I don't think they are all like that. I spoke to a trans women recently who was refused FFS by Dr Suporn, because he she didn't need it. While its unfortunate for her (or is that good? I'm not sure), I was pretty impressed by his integrity. Surprised as well.
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BenKenobi

I dont think anyone expects transitioning to be sunshine and rainbows. Not even considering therapy costs there are still stigmas that we're just a bunch of freaks. I really wish we were at the point where passing isn't everything but we're not. People expect a seamless transition which is extremely unrealistic in some cases. That shouldn't mean you should be ashamed. Many ciswomen have masculine faces. It's all what genetics gave us.
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kittenpower

I don't understand how "many cis women have masculine faces" is supposed to make a trans woman with a masculine face feel better about herself. The cis women aren't happy about it either, so what is the benefit of the comparison. I'm not singling you out Ben; I see this statement a lot, and I don't see how it helps someone who is struggling.
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Rejennyrated

Well transitionregrets this of course is the reason why we have RLE and all of those sorts of things.

I know it is unpopular with many, but speaking from a medical point of view, no clinician wants to see someone make an irreversible mistake, and as this thread nicely demonstrates transition is NOT going to be the solution for everyone.

I was one of the lucky ones for whom the fairy tale really worked out and then some, I probably didnt deserve it, but life is desperately unfair sometimes, and not everyone who deserves to succeed always does so.

So no I certainly don't hate you, nor should anyone else, because as you say it is important to hear both sides.
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AnonyMs

Quote from: Rejennyrated on August 04, 2015, 12:30:23 PM
Well transitionregrets this of course is the reason why we have RLE and all of those sorts of things.

I know it is unpopular with many, but speaking from a medical point of view, no clinician wants to see someone make an irreversible mistake, and as this thread nicely demonstrates transition is NOT going to be the solution for everyone.
Really? I thought it demonstrated just the opposite.

It looks like the OP is not saying anything about SRS, but about FFS and the difficulty of living as a women and not passing. FFS doesn't require RLE, and SRS has nothing much to do with living as a women or man or vice-verse.

Speaking for myself, I need to take steps towards transitioning or I'll go crazy, but I can't deal with the social problems it will bring. Why not just have SRS and not socially transition? Its the social side that causes all the problem, so lets just avoid it. And if I can live like that all is happy, and if not I can always transition later. I don't have the option of doing nothing. If neither of those work out, well I tried, and I can't think of much else to do.
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transitionregrets

my problems have absolutely NOTHING to do with SRS. In fact, people do not see my genitalia when I am out in public. I wish all of my problems had to do with SRS. I have never mentioned SRS. b

The other poster basically is saying that it is all my fault and I should torture myself. She said that I should stop feeling sorry for myself and, instead, she advises to take responsibility for every single one of my shortcomings. No, I will not take that approach. There is only so much I can blame myself for. For instance, I blame myself for being born this way. However, I was not expecting to become drop dead gorgeous. I wanted to become a plain Jane or somewhat believable as a woman. Why am I to blame? I did things in the most logical way. I did my research and consulted several FFS surgeons in the US. I went with the most expensive but also the most experienced, which is what they say. He took my lifetime savings and promised me he would make me passable, not pretty. I believed him. Am I to blame? In hindsight, I found out he has a template of procedures he suggests to everybody, regardless. On some people, his FFS works, on some, it doesn't. He did not take time to tailor a personalized approach. I wish he had warned me and told me "look, I will do my best, but you have a very tall face to begin with, so, my FFS won't work on you". He never said that. Instead, he made promises.

Saying that there are women with masculine faces does not help me at all. In fact, I read all the time on trans-forum how masculine Jennifer Aniston's face is or how big Angelina's jaw is... in reality, they are never seen as men, because their jaw sizes and the height of their faces is infinitely smaller compared to mine. So, it's a moot point.

To conclude, no, I will not torture myself like the other poster said. There is only so much I can blame myself for. And, no, it is not voice, mannerism or hair what makes me unpassable. I am quite short and petite, it is my face that is so manly!

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Mariah

This thread has run it's course and because it has Thread locked.
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Susan

As the moderator said the thread had run it's course, and it was pointless to allow it to continue after that point.

You will find that if you go out of the way to take offense to what people say to you that the threads will most likely end up locked.

If you want my advice which you won't, find things in your life you can change for the better, and do so; bitching about things you can't change is pointless.


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