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Started by KatelynBG, September 12, 2015, 09:51:00 AM

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KatelynBG

Oh yes a Celtic queen is a lovely spirit animal, I will take your suggestion and run with it!  ;D
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LizMarie

YOU are not doing these horrible things. THEY are. Remember that.

You are doing one thing and one thing only - following a standard course of treatment for severe gender identity dysphoria. You have made no demands for divorce, no demands about children, no threats, nothing.

THEY have done this, not you. And no matter what she threatens, unless it can be proven in a court of law that you are a physical danger to the children, she cannot keep you from seeing your kids. In fact, a good lawyer who was informed about her blackmail attempts (and that's what those are) might even get you custody if you were so inclined.

You are only responsible for what you choose to do and say. They can't blame you but they'll try. The reality is they make their choices. She could accept, she could reject kindly and politely helping with an amicable split, or she can be an ass, and it sounds like, at least right now, she's chosen the latter.

You're also learning something that some of us idealistically held to and then were devastated to find was not true - love is almost NEVER unconditional. It's almost always very very very conditional. People who truly love unconditionally are rarer than we imagine.
The meaning of life is to find your gift. The purpose of life is to give it away.



~ Cara Elizabeth
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KatelynBG

My wife and I had a LONG talk last night. It was devoid of the anger and vitriol from the other night. She asked me exactly what I want and I told her about how I very much wanted my family in my life every day. About how I love our house and our neighborhood and our marriage. But I also talked about my dysphoria and what it does to me on a daily basis. How I got to this point with my dysphoria. She asked me what I want a lot and expressed concern that I she wants me to be happy too. I told her what life would be like if we stayed together and I didn't transition. We talked about what life would be like if we separated. She asked if she should call her parents to go live with them (they're the next town over) and I said it would be her decision.

Bottom line is the only thing we decided was to try to give our kids a great Christmas.

I was encouraged by the tone of the conversation more than anything, even though it's still clear she wouldn't stay with me after my transition.

Am I beating about the bush too much?
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Jayne01

Hi Katelyn. I think it's great that you and your wife were able to have a conversation without anger.

It seems to me quite clear from all your posts I've read that for you the only option is to transition. If your wife can no longer be with you after you transition, that is something only she can know. If she can get past the fact she would be in a same sex relationship, which is a big ask for someone who is heterosexual, and know she would be with the better version of you, that would be awesome!

I hope once all the anger starts melting away, you are both able to remain friends if not a couple. It would by far be the best outcome for your children and also for the two of you. Hate and anger are not helpful to live a happy life.

I wish you and your family a great Christmas.
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suzifrommd

Quote from: KatelynBG on December 08, 2015, 04:06:07 AM
Am I beating about the bush too much?

Given the way things have improved in the past week, seems like you're doing things just perfectly. You can't argue with results.
Have you read my short story The Eve of Triumph?
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KatelynBG

So I found a trans woman that lives in my town. She's a very prominent activist and is very out about being trans. I found her blog and my therapist knows her. I reached out to her recently and we've agreed to have a cup of coffee together soon. I'm excited for this because I've never met a trans person that I could actually talk to about being trans myself. I mean, I've had 2 banking customers that were trans and one of them I had a very good business relationship with, but I could never have mentioned myself to them. I just went out of my way to give them extra supportive customer service whenever I could. The one who I had a great relationship with actually wrote me a letter after I left that branch about how thankful she was that I treated her with so much respect. I used to get angry when my coworkers would misgender her or say something otherwise transphobic. I surprised a lot of people I think.

Anyways, I'm looking forward to meeting this woman, we have a lot in common in our lives besides being trans.
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Dena

It would be ironic if the woman you are going to meet was one of the bank customers.
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KatelynBG

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KatelynBG

I bought a new outfit last night and shaved my legs this morning. No cuts, yay!
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KatelynBG

So. Wow. The loneliness is sufficating. My wife has declared that I not show any femininity at all. This won't last long and at this point, I'm just trying to make it past Christmas for my kids' sakes. It's the overwhelming sense of being alone of swallowing my true nature. It's not healthy to fight every instinct in my body.
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suzifrommd

Quote from: KatelynBG on December 21, 2015, 07:24:18 PM
My wife has declared that I not show any femininity at all.

Does she get to call the shots?
Have you read my short story The Eve of Triumph?
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KatelynBG

Quote from: suzifrommd on December 21, 2015, 08:45:33 PM
Does she get to call the shots?

Oh Suzi, I love that you're always pushing me on that. Don't stop.
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Shandril

I would hate to be in your shoes especially when youve got kids, i understand your needs as i share them as well.

However if your relationship is definitly over I personally would suck it up until afyer xmas and then you need to work on another transition before your own and thats the transition your children will be facing.

An ugly divorce with kids in the middle can cause irreparable damage to them, it would be worth seeking counsel in this regard where you, your wife and children sit down and discuss the future.

Children are extremely intelligent and you need to respect them by including them, letting them know its no ones fault you will always be a family no matter what etc..

Once youve got them stabilized and in an understanding position i would resume your own transition, or do so the whole time quietly and within respectful ranges with your wife.

My children are my life and im sure your the same, you can do this but take your time to be fair to everyone and not just yourself.

Time is on your side!

~Shan~

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Qrachel

Dear Katelyn:

From my limited view, and remember it's limited and only as informed as you made it here with all my biases embedded therein.  I speak here as if know and what I say is the truth.  It's not; it's a possibility and only that.  It remains up to you to decide what and how these words land for you.  Please know I offer them in deepest respect for your family and you:

Your relationships with your wife, children and family(ies) are evolving.  The pattern of hysteria and outbursts followed by periods of quiet and sometimes reasoned conversations are signs all of you moving to a different place than any of you were at months ago, perhaps even just weeks ago.

It's difficult to see this as progress but it is, for recognizing that it's progress doesn't always mean it's satisfying and pleasing - often quite the opposite.  However, as you go forward I hope you can see that progress is a result of those quiet reasoned times when conversation can take place without it being overly nasty, competitive and/or snarky.  You should also see when that isn't occurring you have the ability to stop the discourse with those whom you love and explain to them that you want a loving solution that everyone can live with, not necessarily what anyone would choose but the middle ground where there's acceptance and sense of completeness for each to move on with their lives, together or apart while being whole and fair (a mouth full and a ton to expect).  But that can only occur when the crap stops, and beginning now you should intend that it stops.

Further, there's nothing to rush and nothing to avoid anymore; what's there is what's possible in the real world given each party's proclivities - it is what is, nothing more and nothing less.  The time is upon you where others' abusing, guilting, and blaming are no longer permissible; it's getting in the way for you and them if they could only see it that way and if they cannot then you must help them at least stop.  This will occur when you are firm and loving and simply refuse to participate in tearing down rather building - if even building for the cessation of the relationship(s).  Simply back away, literally if necessary, for a while and then begin anew, but don't let the painful stuff occur. 

For you to do this may seem hurtful and callus but it is quite the opposite.  Rather, you are honestly being whom you are, showing your love for each and everyone while insisting that love is not permission or an excuse for poor behavior.  Again, be loving and gentle but firm and steady while patient.  (And you can do that for there is nothing preventing that now but misplaced, existential quilt.)

Get a lawyer if you don't have one, and then discuss what your desires are for HOW to move forward with your therapist.  Worry less about what the outcomes will be as you have little leverage in changing anyone's mind; they will find a way to be with you inside their lives or not.  (Use the law to ensure your children benefit from your parenting and create a fair equitable separation if necessary.  Why?  You have rights and they important to preserve going forward from today.)

Understand what the consequences will be from becoming a loving and caring adult who respects herself as much as anyone else and is ready to seek common ground for moving into the future.  For example: There may be more noise and it may be louder, threats may be made, silence may ensue, people may take sides and insert themselves where they have no standing, etc.  In addition, wonderful solutions may arise.  In any event, you as a loving partner, parent and human being will be responsibly taking care of business.  Whatever occurs, you are now one of the loving adults in the matter, maybe the only one, but in any case press on as that adult.

What I just wrote sounds withering, harsh and uncaring.  I offer that if you are the loving person who shows up here on Susan's Place then it's time you showed that love powerfully and demonstratively.  Some may take offense but that's their challenge not yours.  As long as you come from a place of love and workability you are doing what loving people do when faced with difficult times and decisions.  They ACT out of love and good reason for a future that embraces building something worth living into that future, recognizing that the future will never be the past.  It may repeat itself but it won't duplicate it.

Carpe deim my dear friend,

Rachel

P.S. Sorry for the length, it's hard to boil this stuff down much less live it as you well know.


Rachel

"Courage doesn't always roar. Sometimes courage is the little voice at the end of the day that says I'll try again tomorrow."
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KatelynBG

Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays everyone
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Qrachel


. . . and to you and yours!  Merry Xmas.
Rachel

"Courage doesn't always roar. Sometimes courage is the little voice at the end of the day that says I'll try again tomorrow."
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Adena

Katelynn, i have nothing to add to the wise words of Shan and Rachel above, please take them to heart and see how they apply to you.
Merry Christmas all!
Love,
Denali
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KatelynBG

I'm going to my first trans group meeting tomorrow night in Portland, ME.
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KatelynBG

Another long discussion with my wife last night. Another opportunity to go for it. I don't know what's holding me back on this.
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Adena

Hi Katelyn,

How did your trans meeting(s) go?

Whatever you do, do it out of love. But remember, you must love and care for yourself before you can be very effective in loving others.
Keep us posted.

Love,
Denali

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