Top MtF SRS surgeon comparisons?

[Venus]

I don't really know which surgeon I'd want for SRS but I know exactly how I want it to look; so, I was wondering if there was any sort of directory listing top SRS surgeons along with after photos of various results maybe? You know, to make it easier to choose.

If anyone has experience from having researched these surgeons... what I'd be wanting aesthetically would be an "innie," but even moreso than most. Sort of like a little pair of butt cheeks (which would be the labia majora). I wouldn't want the labia minora (pink stuff in the middle) or clitoris/hood visible while standing, or bent over, or laying down, or even while having sex... effectively, I'd only really want to see them if I physically spread it with my fingers. Oh and I'm circumcised if that matters.

In terms of functionality... I'd like the vulva to be sensitive and able to achieve climax, but I'd like the vagina itself also sensitive enough to achieve climax. I'd like it to self lubricate but I'll be realistic and say that's not going to happen, especially since I don't want the colon method since the lubrication is red-ish and supposedly smells bad.

Is there even a good list of the top SRS surgeons? Bowers, McGinn, Brassard, Chett, and Suporn... are those basically the top ones, or are there others?

[Serenation]

That's how mine is with the exception of the self lubing, I do lubricate some. Guess I'll see later on on down the track if it's enough. I wanted an innie, when I asked my surgeon he said he does what he does. Just like all cis girls have different vaginas, you cannot look at a surgeons pics and rely on getting the same result.

So it's going to depend mostly on your body. Still if prominent labia minora is important to someone, then it makes sense for them to go to thailand.

So I got an Innie,
<--handy since I'm a doll

someone else who got srs on same day didn't.

[warlockmaker]

I have selected just out of personal preference the PAI clinic's Dr Sutin who will work with Dr Preecha on the FFS but I have seen also Dr Chettawut and Dr Suporn and had a skype call with Dr McGinn. The Thais perform more SRS than any other country. This surgery is not innovative anymore, all the top surgeons have produced excellent results in general but unfortunately they all have made mistakes or not lived up to some patients expectations. So if you are looking for negatives they all have them. The techniques are now all basically the same so in my view practice makes perfect and the Thais get the practice. Plus the after care is excellent.

[Venus]

I've read a pretty bad post about Chettawut; it was mostly talking about FFS, but there was a whole bunch of bad about that. I read something about Suporn leaving a bunch of the erectile tissue which a lot of people complained about feeling uncomfortable when getting aroused. I don't think I'd really want to go to Thailand either way though.

I've been mostly looking between McGinn & Bowers. The biggest difference between them seems to be that Bowers does a one stage surgery while McGinn does whatever she thinks the situation calls for (one or two stage). There's a page on her website that details that. The other big thing is that Bowers was a GYN while McGinn did other cosmetic plastic surgery. They're both trans themselves, so the biggest thing left is location. Bowers is in CA and McGinn is in PA.

A lot of people say that McGinn is the friendlier and more easier to talk to of the two and I don't have a hard time believing that at all. Bowers is an MD and McGinn is a DO. If you aren't familiar with the distinction, MD is more focused towards the straight up science and medical aspects whereas DO has a lot of training involving their interaction with their clients and bedside manner. Personally, I always prefer DO and I tend to choose DO over MD whenever possible since my experience with DO's have always been a lot better for me than MD's. It's just the way they talk to you and interact, and that goes back to their training I think.

I'm leaning towards McGinn but if I moved to Washington that'd put Bowers a heck of a lot closer. I guess it probably wouldn't matter too much considering you'd have to cross all of Oregon which would make not taking a plane a bit inconvenient. From the pictures McGinn's results look a bit better to me but I'd be requesting something totally different anyways... *shrug*

I have a while to decide I guess.

[AnonyMs]

I spent a lot of time researching this and came to the conclusion that there's not enough information out there to be sure of anything. Some surgeons do have noticeably more complaints if you search hard enough.

It helpful to find photos of results from surgeons, but even that's misleading. The ones on Suporn's site look pretty good, but I've seen much better elsewhere. You'd think he'd post his best results, but far from it. How are you supposed to interpret that?

You can find very informed people who'll contradict each other, and each side seems to know what they are talking about. Its quite confusing.

After all my research I find I agree with warlockmaker, except I prefer Suporn, but I'd be hard pressed to justify my choice.

[SorchaC]

You have probably answered your own question having ruled out going to Thailand 

Once I'd decided not to wait any longer for The NHS in the UK to get around to doing my surgery I was left with a similar choice of the top 6 surgeons (your 5 plus Preecha) My conclusion was on their day any of them would provide a successful result to my requirements. My first observation was 3 of them happen to be in a country that as Worlockmaker and AnnonyMs point out performs more SRS than any other and these 3 are mostly responsible for that so all I had to decide was which one and there were reasons why I chose Chett.

I think you should speak to both surgeons in The US and decide based on how you connect with them and then which one you feel gives their best surgery most often. I hope you find an answer and have a successful surgery when it happens

Hugs

Sorcha 

[Naeree]

Well, just like Warlockmaker said, they all have bad and good records, these surgeon you mentioned have thousands cases experience, they all good at what they are doing. You can't judge your future result by one or two picture of their past cases, those more like the prove of the surgeon's skill. Just make sure surgeon understand what you want and your expectation. Usually these top surgeons will be really straight forward to their patient. They will tell you what they can make for you, what can not and what you can expect.

And the result of surgery is not only base on surgeons performance, there are other factors that effect like post-surgery care, preparation, patient health, technique right for you, happiness etc. Good Luck

[suzifrommd]

I'd like it to self lubricate but I'll be realistic and say that's not going to happen, especially since I don't want the colon method since the lubrication is red-ish and supposedly smells bad.

I do self lubricate. I'm always deliciously moist, as much as many of the cis women I've dated. My understanding is that if you have the right mix of bacteria, they turn the dead skin into an acidic slimy mixture that both lubricates and protects from pathogens.

Is there even a good list of the top SRS surgeons? Bowers, McGinn, Brassard, Chett, and Suporn... are those basically the top ones, or are there others?

I went to see Kathy Rumer. I don't know how she compares, because I haven't been to any of the other ones. I've heard horror stories about some of the names you list (and about Rumer as well), but I have met a number of women who are happy with Rumer.

[chuufk]

I don't really know which surgeon I'd want for SRS but I know exactly how I want it to look; so, I was wondering if there was any sort of directory listing top SRS surgeons along with after photos of various results maybe? You know, to make it easier to choose.

If anyone has experience from having researched these surgeons... what I'd be wanting aesthetically would be an "innie," but even moreso than most. Sort of like a little pair of butt cheeks (which would be the labia majora). I wouldn't want the labia minora (pink stuff in the middle) or clitoris/hood visible while standing, or bent over, or laying down, or even while having sex... effectively, I'd only really want to see them if I physically spread it with my fingers. Oh and I'm circumcised if that matters.

How long do you expect to spend each day looking at your pussy? You do realise that you cannot see anything down there without a mirror? Unlike male genitalia you will never directly see clearly what is down there.

In terms of functionality... I'd like the vulva to be sensitive and able to achieve climax, but I'd like the vagina itself also sensitive enough to achieve climax.

I do not think you will find many surgeons offering non-sensate vaginas so I would not worry too much on that score. As for climax, that is largely in your head.

Personally I would pick whichever gives the best aftercare and it easiest to get to. Post-op complications can arise and if they do you will be glad if your surgeon is nearer rather than far away.

[Laura_7]

You could have  look here:
https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,193067.msg1721458.html#msg1721458
and here:
https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,193632.msg1726310.html#msg1726310

It helpful to find photos of results from surgeons, but even that's misleading. The ones on Suporn's site look pretty good, but I've seen much better elsewhere. You'd think he'd post his best results, but far from it. How are you supposed to interpret that?

Well if customer expectations are fulfilled they are kind of happy.
But if they are overfulfilled people usually are very happy.
So showing the best results might not be the best idea.

Chett also has not only perfect results.
It might fend off too high expectations, and imo is also a part of mentality... kind of rather an understatement than too much of a show.

In terms of functionality... I'd like the vulva to be sensitive and able to achieve climax, but I'd like the vagina itself also sensitive enough to achieve climax.

Usually surgeons leave the prostate in place. So it will be where the gspot is, making for a p/gspot, which many girls find very pleasurable.

Unlike male genitalia you will never directly see clearly what is down there.

Well that depends on how flexible you are...

[Jenna Marie]

Well, I went to Brassard and that's more or less what I ended up with - he's known for making discreet inner labia, and you can probably tell him what you have in mind and he'll make them even smaller if need be. (Mine are only visible if I spread wide with my fingers.) I do self-lubricate, although I don't have sex with men so I don't know if it'd be enough for that by itself. Still, it's definitely enough to be noticeable and within cis normal (my wife, like me, does not lubricate much when aroused but does get considerably wetter when penetrated) and I "squirt" at orgasm occasionally. I am not sure even cis women get the true vaginal orgasm, as the current theory is that penetration still affects the clitoris from inside and by pulling on the covering skin, but I am occasionally capable of orgasm from vaginal penetration without touching my clit directly.

I can dig up my thorough review of him if you want it.

From what I've seen in various photos, including from people who aren't posted on the surgeons' web sites, the Thai surgeons tend towards very large/prominent labia minora. So that's something to keep in mind.

[Laura_7]

Well, I went to Brassard and that's more or less what I ended up with - he's known for making discreet inner labia, and you can probably tell him what you have in mind and he'll make them even smaller if need be. (Mine are only visible if I spread wide with my fingers.) I do self-lubricate, although I don't have sex with men so I don't know if it'd be enough for that by itself. Still, it's definitely enough to be noticeable and within cis normal (my wife, like me, does not lubricate much when aroused but does get considerably wetter when penetrated) and I "squirt" at orgasm occasionally. I am not sure even cis women get the true vaginal orgasm, as the current theory is that penetration still affects the clitoris from inside and by pulling on the covering skin, but I am occasionally capable of orgasm from vaginal penetration without touching my clit directly.

Here is some more info on the gspot... its a spot or an area...
friskybusinessboutique.com/her-other-sweet-spot-pleasure-in-the-key-of-g/

From what I've seen in various photos, including from people who aren't posted on the surgeons' web sites, the Thai surgeons tend towards very large/prominent labia minora. So that's something to keep in mind.

Well also labia majora...

[Dena]

I really can't comment to much on doctors because my surgery is terribly obsolete but distance is a different story. As long as you are staying in the country, distance makes little difference unless your doctor is located just down the street. My trip to Dr Haben was one of the longer trips you can make in the United States and the return trip was long only because I was routed through Florida with almost a 3 hour layover. If you need to fly to all the doctors under consideration, judge by the quality of work first and distance second.

Something else to consider is local doctors can do the follow up. I had a local doctor checking things out after surgery and he made sure I healed correctly. I will admit a major complication might have demanded a return to my surgeon.

[StartingOver]

From what I've seen in various photos, including from people who aren't posted on the surgeons' web sites, the Thai surgeons tend towards very large/prominent labia minora. So that's something to keep in mind.

This is one main reason I'm unlikely to go Thai (although I still might, depending on final costs - Chettawut is a killer deal at the moment and would save me a good $10,000 over Montreal.)  I'm after something "smaller" and more "discrete" than the examples I've seen on both Chett's and Suporn's sites.  While very vagina-y, their work just doesn't appeal to me at all from a cosmetic standpoint.  Although as someone has already mentioned, I'm not going to be staring at it all day so the cosmetics of it all shouldn't really play a major part in my decision.  But that said, I want to be as comfortable as I can be with what I've been given by my chosen surgeon, and I'd be far more comfortable with looks of a well-performed penile inversion.

Which is why I'm leaning towards Brassard at the moment.  He is, in my mind, the undoubted king of penile inversion and can probably perform the operation blindfolded and with one hand tied behind his back.  I've found next to no examples of anyone anywhere dissatisfied with his great work, his unmatched aftercare, his entire team, or him as a person.  Unhappy customers tend to be very vocal customers, and the lack of complaints about Brassard make me very confident that he's worth spending a little more on.  But that's just me.  I want a low-risk, (relatively) low-maintenance option that looks neat and tidy and works well, and Brassard offers precisely that.  Given that GRS is pretty much a one shot deal, I'm slightly uncomfortable going to anyone with a history of complaints, even if those mistakes and bad results are relatively rare.

Not that the other choices are bad choices.  If you're using a "name brand" GRS surgeon, you'll almost certainly get good results these days.  For whatever reason, GRS seems far more predictable than FFS: the good GRS surgeons deliver good vaginas day in, day out.  FFS surgeons seem to be all over the shop in terms of their results, and they all have plenty of unhappy customers.  I guess that's got something to do with the fact that we see our faces each and every day over and over, but we tend not to dwell upon how our genitals look.  Or at least I don't.

Since I'm not yet committed to any one surgeon, I do tend to fluctuate between Brassard and Chettawut.  Sometimes the steal that Chettawut's work is pushes me towards Thailand, while other times the cautious me thinks about the safety of Brassard.  I guess it'll all come down to what kind of mood I'm in on the day I have to send deposit money out.  Either is a great choice.

[Isabelle]

There is no real point in comparison because you're only comparing individual anatomy, not surgeon skill. You can talk about technique. That would be a more meaningful way to decide which surgeons methods best suit your needs. Comparing photos though, would only be meaningful if you had two different surgeons perform their surgery on identical twins.... Your outcome depends heavily on your anatomy, what your body is like, inside and out. Your age, how you heal, your general health, these are the important factors. Any surgeon you go to can only do their best with what you give them. As for aesthetics, again this depends on your anatomy. one thing I will say though, now that I know what to look for, I've never seen a picture of a post-op vagina that looks natal.

I'm after something "smaller" and more "discrete" than the examples I've seen on both Chett's and Suporn's sites.  While very vagina-y, their work just doesn't appeal to me at all from a cosmetic standpoint.

Again, to reiterate, the result is about your anatomy, not their technique. Is your anatomy "small and discreet"? Then you'll likely end up small and discreet.

[Laura_7]

I'm after something "smaller" and more "discrete" than the examples I've seen on both Chett's and Suporn's sites.  While very vagina-y, their work just doesn't appeal to me at all from a cosmetic standpoint.

Well tbh what most people see is a photoshopped impression... many pics of vaginas are softened that way, and it seems actresses with a tidy or rim look are preferred.
You might look at it that way that the additional skin is an organ.
So during activity a large labia is an additional stimulation.

Since I'm not yet committed to any one surgeon, I do tend to fluctuate between Brassard and Chettawut.  Sometimes the steal that Chettawut's work is pushes me towards Thailand, while other times the cautious me thinks about the safety of Brassard.  I guess it'll all come down to what kind of mood I'm in on the day I have to send deposit money out.  Either is a great choice.

Just remember that with Chett almost always a skin graft is necessary which adds to the final result.

There is no real point in comparison because you're only comparing individual anatomy, not surgeon skill. You can talk about technique. That would be a Beyer way to decide which surgeons methods best suit your needs. Comparing photos though, would only be meaningful if you had two different surgeons perform their surgery on identical twins.... Your outcome depends heavily on your anatomy, what your body is like, inside and out. Your age, how you heal, your general health, these are the important factors. Any surgeon you go to can only do their best with what you give them.

Well yes but within certain limits it might be talked about...

As for aesthetics, again this depends on your anatomy. one thing I will say though, now that I know what to look for, I've never seen a picture of a post-op vagina that looks natal.

Well you can look up wall of vaginas. Its a piece of art with dozens of vaginas, showing there is a huge variance.
There are quite a few people where a gyn could not tell a difference. Some even postulated a hysto.
After a few months, with the presence of estrogen, the tissue can turn into a mucosa.
So its basically like a cis vagina.

And concerning looks... well if not knowing beforehand because of variance it would be very difficult to tell a difference.
Of course there might be some spots but they can also be found in cis vaginas.
As said there are huge variances. Thats why many gyns are in awe of the results.

[Venus]

How long do you expect to spend each day looking at your pussy?

I'm super obsessive about how they look. As a hetero male (currently) I'm not even attracted to girls that don't have "innie" pussies. So yeah, it's a pretty big deal to me.

...and I'd probably be taking a lot of pictures of it to be perfectly honest.

[Isabelle]

Well you can look up wall of vaginas. Its a piece of art with dozens of vaginas, showing there is a huge variance.
There are quite a few people where a gyn could not tell a difference. Some even postulated a hysto.

I'm not talking about tissue type, I'm talking about the absence of specific external anatomical structures. I'm not an expert by any means in anatomy (or anything else) but, if I can see what's missing and a gynaecologist can't, perhaps it's time to see a new gynaecologist

[Jenna Marie]

Laura : Yes, I know cis women have a G-spot, and I can find mine. However, there's definitely some skepticism about the "types" of orgasms simply because all the structures are in the same small location and it's very hard to affect just one at a time, particularly since it's been discovered that the clitoris is quite a bit more extensive than the visible bit.

(And yes, the Thai surgeons do offer labia majora; in my personal opinion, the photos I've seen the labia majora are more separated and less defined than *I'd* like, but they do exist.)

StartingOver : The other thing about Brassard is that he's very consistent. That's bad for someone who wants a super customizable result, but REALLY good for someone who likes what he does, because he can reproduce his typical work almost every time.  Yes, there will be variations, but the preference he has for smaller "tidier" labia minora is reliable, for example. (Even with anatomical variations, what will happen is that if he has more material he uses it to refine the overall aesthetics - he gives roughly the same depth and labia minora and majora proportion to everyone, but I think more material equals better clitoral hooding and so on.)

[chuufk]

I'm super obsessive about how they look. As a hetero male (currently) I'm not even attracted to girls that don't have "innie" pussies. So yeah, it's a pretty big deal to me.

...and I'd probably be taking a lot of pictures of it to be perfectly honest.

It does not sound like a healthy attitude. As Isobel said, the final result depends on a lot of factors. If you have an ideal mental picture of your perfect pussy then you are unlikely to be happy with the end result because even how it heals will affect the final look. Your first view of it will be of a massively swollen and bruised part of your body. It can be quite off putting.

There are a lot of variables involved. Please try and not obsess about "perfection" because you will not be doing yourself any favours