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Started by Marienz, November 09, 2015, 05:41:44 PM

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Marienz


Quote from: Laura_7 on February 25, 2016, 03:56:04 PM
The Tshirt is nice :)
I also like the colour  :)

Well you could make a few helpful posts...

and do you have a few friends you could hang out with, and do a few things to gie you a few new thoughts?
What would you always have liked to do and never were able to do ?
Learning a new language ... starting painting ... learning to cook a certain way ...

maybe its time to try one or two new things ?


many *hugs*

A few helpful posts is a great idea:)

I'm going to do a sailing course to learn how to sail solo.... Quite scary! :)


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Laura_7

Quote from: jamiej on February 25, 2016, 06:31:10 PM
A few helpful posts is a great idea:)

I'm going to do a sailing course to learn how to sail solo.... Quite scary! :)


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You have kept your sense of humour :)

Keep it up, its what people like and what attracts other people  :)

Sailing isnt that difficult imo :)


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Marienz

It's been awhile since I have posted in my own thread.
I'm having the worse Easter as it is here in New Zealand.
I went away with friends and most of the time in between trying to put on a very brave face I couldn't stop thinking about my trans friend (my now ex partner).
I wish I knew back in November/December what I know now.
Then maybe things might not have worked out how they did.
I feel I over reacted to her when she came out of trans. For a number of reasons, I was worried about what others may think (friends and family) I was worried about if I could be intimate with him as a her and worried about myself primarily.... But a good part about others and their thoughts.
Since January I realised none of this mattered and I love her for who she was... A pair of boobs and a possible removal of the male genitals seems like nothing to me now without this person as my partner, the person I shared all things with little or big.
I miss her as that special someone... Even with us still being close... It hurts so much... I wish I had of taken the time back then to figure all this out.
Now it's to late and it hurts like hell. I feel devastated that I won't be the person she gets to explore her new life and body with. One thing this as shown me is to consider things before ending things... I hope if any other SO read this they take the time to think about things deeply first.
My situation is now far from ideal... Yes I have have a deep respect for trans people... But I wish I could turn the clock back on my own situation.
Life is not the same without her around all the time. I miss her so much:(
This all sounds quite sad doesn't it... But it's my true feelings:(
It's certainly a very hard dark day. I guess this is what you call loving someone for who they are and gender doesn't play a factor in it.
X


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jayne01

I'm so sorry you are having such a sad day. I hope you feel better soon.

Jayne
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Laura_7


*hugs*

As you describe it it was not only you.
It was both of your fears playing into each other.

What do you feel would be a good thing now ?

Trying to start anew ?

With them ?
Or do you feel you would like something different ...
what would you really like ?


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Marienz

Quote from: Laura_7 on March 27, 2016, 05:19:20 AM
*hugs*

As you describe it it was not only you.
It was both of your fears playing into each other.

What do you feel would be a good thing now ?

Trying to start anew ?

With them ?
Or do you feel you would like something different ...
what would you really like ?


*hugs*

Hi Laura:)
To be honest I would like to start again, with the knowledge he is turning into a her and going into it open minded to that with her.
I have spent since December thinking... Maybe the feeling of love would pass... But it hasn't.
Although now, I think the pain we went through, there is no hope left to be together.. On her side.
I'm big on, I don't care now what others think.
Gosh I wish I knew allot more back in November/December:(
X
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Dena

Quote from: jamiej on November 10, 2015, 01:53:55 PM
HI All,
thanks for all your replies I really appreciate them. NO matter what happens I would stand by him, I"m unsure yet what this will entail if as his partner or as his friend. I know for me having a family is very important, I wish to be a mum. I have tried to encourage him to open up more, so he said he will. He's not sure yet whether this is just cross dressing or taking it to full female and I'm not sure how I feel about the extreme. I have found him a gender counsellor to go to, and I hope that will help. thanks again all x
I went back to the start of this thread to see how soon I became involved and I spotted this post. I think you did pretty much everything that was possible for you to do. We all have things go wrong in life that we think we could fix if we had a do over. Maybe we could or maybe events would still play out the same way. My memory of this thread is of somebody who made a real effort but the price of staying together became very high. For relationships to work, both sides need to contribute and I think you did your share.
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Marienz

Quote from: Dena on March 29, 2016, 09:12:58 PM
I went back to the start of this thread to see how soon I became involved and I spotted this post. I think you did pretty much everything that was possible for you to do. We all have things go wrong in life that we think we could fix if we had a do over. Maybe we could or maybe events would still play out the same way. My memory of this thread is of somebody who made a real effort but the price of staying together became very high. For relationships to work, both sides need to contribute and I think you did your share.

thanks Dena:)
Its strange how things progress, back then I was okay with him cross dressing but nothing more. Now I"M okay with a full blown transition.
But the children thing has not changed for me :)
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Laura_7

Quote from: jamiej on March 27, 2016, 05:52:30 PM
Hi Laura:)
To be honest I would like to start again, with the knowledge he is turning into a her and going into it open minded to that with her.
I have spent since December thinking... Maybe the feeling of love would pass... But it hasn't.
Although now, I think the pain we went through, there is no hope left to be together.. On her side.
I'm big on, I don't care now what others think.
Gosh I wish I knew allot more back in November/December:(
X

Well as Dena said you did a lot. And its possible you had restraints then you simply could not get over.
No ned to cry over spilt milk.

I' say think a bit about what you would like to have ... don't say no too soon ...
maybe a good solution comes up ...


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Marienz

Quote from: Laura_7 on March 30, 2016, 05:02:53 AM
Well as Dena said you did a lot. And its possible you had restraints then you simply could not get over.
No ned to cry over spilt milk.

I' say think a bit about what you would like to have ... don't say no too soon ...
maybe a good solution comes up ...


*hugs*
Hi Laura
I agree:) I feel okay about things this morning:) the future is always unknown and I can be so thankful for how much so far I have grown as a person:) my love for her has grown immensely, but my love for myself has grown immensely as well:)
Have a great day everyone:) X
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Laura_7

Quote from: jamiej on March 30, 2016, 12:59:36 PM
Hi Laura
I agree:) I feel okay about things this morning:) the future is always unknown and I can be so thankful for how much so far I have grown as a person:) my love for her has grown immensely, but my love for myself has grown immensely as well:)
Have a great day everyone:) X

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HappyMoni

Dear X,

I just read through your thread for the first time today. I just have to say what an amazing person you are. I am so sorry such a good person has had to go through such a difficult time. I hope you find the happiness you deserve.
Moni
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Marienz

Quote from: HappyMoni on March 31, 2016, 04:37:38 PM
Dear X,

I just read through your thread for the first time today. I just have to say what an amazing person you are. I am so sorry such a good person has had to go through such a difficult time. I hope you find the happiness you deserve.
Moni

Thanks Moni:) X
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Jamie (Marie)

I just wanted to say that I read through almost this entire thread and so many of the feelings you felt are similar to mine.my boyfriend recently came out to me That he was wanting to become a woman. This is the person that I thought I would be spending my life with as we have talked so much about marriage and family. I've been struggling a lot with so many changes happening so quickly. My boyfriend was always very masculine so I never expected this to happen. I thought he would be ok with doing this sometimes but I think he wants to transition more. As someone in the medical profession/ someone with a lot of science background I do believe people being trans is a very real thing and it is not a choice- I think it may even have to do with development changes that happen in the womb.

I've always been a heterosexual woman but for some reason, even though I'm not attracted to women- I am still attracted to him. I love him so deeply that I think I can overcome this and love him even if it means I have to appear like a lesbian in the future.

I guess one thing I am struggling with is the loss of how I remembered him before. I also struggle with wondering how we will work out some things in the future . Sometimes it also feels like  our future together was something that was so was important to him but now it seems like becoming a woman is the most important thing .  He told me the day he met me he was the best day of his life but now he says the first day he could be a woman was the best day of his life . Money or things he didn't want to spend before on  are suddenly ok. It probably sounds so selfish because I want him/her to be happy and live his life how he wants but does anyone else struggle with feeling like as a significant other that you are thrown to the wayside during all of this? I guess in some ways I feel resentment and like I'm not enough for him anymore.  I also feel like I have a lot of questions for him but when I ask , even if sometimes I need that repeated reassurance that he gets angry at me.

Let me be clear- I've thought a lot about things and I want to see this through because we still want all of the same things together. I just am struggling because just as i am supporting him in transition I need support too. I want to feel like my changing my future life completely in order for us to be happy together matters to him too. So many of you that post about staying married for years even after transition give me so much hope. I guess I am so scared of losing him - and I want him in my life even if he becomes a she- because she will still be beautiful to me. I just need time and help to cope. Does anyone have any suggestions or any books I can read? I can only find ones about parents of trans...  Sorry if this post is all over the place..
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Laura_7

Quote from: gnb984 on April 24, 2016, 04:41:40 PM
Does anyone have any suggestions or any books I can read? I can only find ones about parents of trans...  Sorry if this post is all over the place..

You could have a look here:

http://www.amazon.com/Significant-Other-View-Julie-Freeman/dp/1493568213

and here:

http://www.amazon.com/Trans-Kin-Family-Friends-Transgender-People/dp/0615630677

http://www.transohio.org/?page_id=456

you might look for a counselor yourself...
and it may be possible there are support groups for SO of transgender people ...


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Marienz

Quote from: gnb984 on April 24, 2016, 04:41:40 PM
Jamie (Marie)

I just wanted to say that I read through almost this entire thread and so many of the feelings you felt are similar to mine.my boyfriend recently came out to me That he was wanting to become a woman. This is the person that I thought I would be spending my life with as we have talked so much about marriage and family. I've been struggling a lot with so many changes happening so quickly. My boyfriend was always very masculine so I never expected this to happen. I thought he would be ok with doing this sometimes but I think he wants to transition more. As someone in the medical profession/ someone with a lot of science background I do believe people being trans is a very real thing and it is not a choice- I think it may even have to do with development changes that happen in the womb.

I've always been a heterosexual woman but for some reason, even though I'm not attracted to women- I am still attracted to him. I love him so deeply that I think I can overcome this and love him even if it means I have to appear like a lesbian in the future.

I guess one thing I am struggling with is the loss of how I remembered him before. I also struggle with wondering how we will work out some things in the future . Sometimes it also feels like  our future together was something that was so was important to him but now it seems like becoming a woman is the most important thing .  He told me the day he met me he was the best day of his life but now he says the first day he could be a woman was the best day of his life . Money or things he didn't want to spend before on  are suddenly ok. It probably sounds so selfish because I want him/her to be happy and live his life how he wants but does anyone else struggle with feeling like as a significant other that you are thrown to the wayside during all of this? I guess in some ways I feel resentment and like I'm not enough for him anymore.  I also feel like I have a lot of questions for him but when I ask , even if sometimes I need that repeated reassurance that he gets angry at me.

Let me be clear- I've thought a lot about things and I want to see this through because we still want all of the same things together. I just am struggling because just as i am supporting him in transition I need support too. I want to feel like my changing my future life completely in order for us to be happy together matters to him too. So many of you that post about staying married for years even after transition give me so much hope. I guess I am so scared of losing him - and I want him in my life even if he becomes a she- because she will still be beautiful to me. I just need time and help to cope. Does anyone have any suggestions or any books I can read? I can only find ones about parents of trans...  Sorry if this post is all over the place..

Hi:)
I can completely see where you are coming from. You obviously love him despite gender:)
I am the same, although I wasn't to start with!
My biggest suggestion to you right now, is to remain calm, whilst being honest and open to yourself and to your partner. Talk talk talk and communicate together!
Read up on as many things as you can, whilst exploring other parts of this forum. I believe Jenny boylan wife wrote a book, it might be called she is no longer my husband. I'm not exactly sure on the title:)

Your question about be thrown to the wayside, was slightly turn for me last year. I don't believe the trans person does it on purpose. I think that finally they have it off their chest and need to start to explore and possibly forget about the SO for awhile. *no offence to anyone*
Please gain support for yourself... This is a very hard time for you as well! You will have a tonne of questions.. I remember asking a tonne sometimes repeat ones and I would get a grumpy answer back to! I think it's because they genuinely don't know the answer yet. But it's hard on you... I know that feeling! Hugs:)
Keep talking, I wish you the best of luck:) keep me posted X
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Marienz

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HI All,

I thought I would post an update to my situation which in turn may encourage other Significant others to possibly live in the moment.

This is purely based on my journey and in no way is a way to suggest others on what to do. Allot of lovely people have in the last 10 months read my post and helped me in so many ways.

Allot has happened, my ex partner, who I love and adore still to this day, came out to me in November last year. We both behaved badly in some way when the outing took place, there was allot of lies and hurt from both of us. We sold our house, separated our lives and lost our joint dreams together. Since then we have both purchased another house and in some way we have both had healing time as well. One thing has become more and more obvious to me as time has gone one, I love my special someone regardless of gender and that wont change. WE are still best friends, do I wish it was more, I do...I do not have the heart to let her know this, as I feel I would be interfering on her own discovery and exploring time of herself, which I know I wouldn't be, as I too have learnt the art of personal space, even while together.  I think about letting her know often but I guess I'm scared I will lost her all together as well. I do still hope someday our dreams will come back together, even if she ends up a fulltime woman...as that would be okay with me!
I thought that in time my feelings would become less but they haven't! I to have had plenty of time to explore my own feelings and inside emotions and I can say I am a new person, still the same person, but the TG stuff has changed my life as well for the better. I have had to explore parts of my emotions and soul that I may not have had to do otherwise. I had to challenge myself to look at my feelings for someone, and for myself, ultimately I took a good look at how I view the world and ultimately how I manage my responses to things around me. I didn't like everything I saw in myself and have taken active steps to better myself as a person and ultimately for the first time in my life I feel content in myself as a person.
The real message is, this entire journey I feel has shaped my life and ultimately provided me the challenge I needed to look at myself as well. Who would of thought this, back in November!

My ex partner has had plenty of counselling and therapy and has since come to the conclusion she is gender fluid. The news was hard for me at the time, as the reason we first separated in my eyes, was because I was scared that he would change into a her and what would people think of me! All of those fears diminished over the last 9 months and I realized she could turn into an alien and it wouldn't matter to me, I loved her as a person. If she needs to go further down the track in the future, I would now fully support her without all the fear I had in the beginning.   The entire journey I think has made us understand each other much better and realise when we were together, we were not operating as the best people we could be, and how could we ever have been the best we could be, when the TG stuff was not out in the open.  I now have fun, buying her outfits and feeling she is authentic with me. I used to worry so much in life about everything, and now I have realized, there is no point worrying, enjoy everyday and live it as most things I worry about never actually take place.
I feel like a different person and I turly believe this journey I have been on the last 10 months has been the contributing factor too that feeling.
Thanks to all who have supported me. If you're a SO currently going through a hard time, remember to look after yourself first, keep calm and make decisions in a rational state.
Thanks to this website to opening up my mind, heart and soul!
Marie
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SadieBlake

That's a tough story, I can relate, having gone through a different path as the transitioning partner. Suzanne and I have been involved for 18 years, polyamorous from the start (practically speaking monogamous for much of the time since how much time do busy people have?).

I've also been trans for the entire time, have never presented as anything but femme attired in bed. I was also working my way through understanding myself and whether I needed SRS as we were both working out how to live our first long term non-monogamous relationships.

She was, from the start quite negative on any sort of physical transition, whether HRT  or SRS and while taking responsibility for choosing 16 years ago not to pursue that path, her views which didn't leave much room for discussion had an influence on my feeling in the one hand 'fake' for living as a part time cross dresser and on the other hand always feeling the tug of wanting to be female full time.

Knowing her feelings and being in 4 years of dealing - or not dealing at first - with a return to severe depression when I decided I have no choice to begin transition i didn't discuss it with my partner. I needed to evaluate how estrogen HRT felt without having the relationship talk to deal with at the same time and I knew it would take at a minimum a month for anything to show.

The first ten days on estrogen felt like a month or more, not feeling able to to talk with my best friend. Heres the nut: I did tell her less than two weeks in because it was so clear that estrogen had a profound effect on my mental outlook. For better or worse her response was exactly what I expected, quite negative, concerned for social appearances and not wanting to be in a lesbian relationship, also pretty quick to say "she didn't want to be the bitch that held me back".

We're in a better place now, she's seeing a relationship that may be less sexual and since we're fundamentally poly that may not be a problem long run.

So, back to you, it's not clear to me, has she in fact been seeing other people romantically? I ask because you both went through this period in a very short time and it seems clear you're having regrets.

For me, discovery that I'm fundamentally feminine inside came alongside realizing a lot of other things about myself, being poly came shortly before, as did realization that I could be bisexual. I think it's not unusual for a few things to change at once. As a scientist I hate that; you want to change only one variable at a time. As a human, I accept that it's harder to isolate one part of my life from another (and some people compartmentalize better than others).

Best wishes, I'm glad you still have her in your life, sorry to hear that it's in a difficult way.
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Marienz

Quote from: SadieBlake on August 12, 2016, 07:38:06 AM
That's a tough story, I can relate, having gone through a different path as the transitioning partner. Suzanne and I have been involved for 18 years, polyamorous from the start (practically speaking monogamous for much of the time since how much time do busy people have?).

I've also been trans for the entire time, have never presented as anything but femme attired in bed. I was also working my way through understanding myself and whether I needed SRS as we were both working out how to live our first long term non-monogamous relationships.

She was, from the start quite negative on any sort of physical transition, whether HRT  or SRS and while taking responsibility for choosing 16 years ago not to pursue that path, her views which didn't leave much room for discussion had an influence on my feeling in the one hand 'fake' for living as a part time cross dresser and on the other hand always feeling the tug of wanting to be female full time.

Knowing her feelings and being in 4 years of dealing - or not dealing at first - with a return to severe depression when I decided I have no choice to begin transition i didn't discuss it with my partner. I needed to evaluate how estrogen HRT felt without having the relationship talk to deal with at the same time and I knew it would take at a minimum a month for anything to show.

The first ten days on estrogen felt like a month or more, not feeling able to to talk with my best friend. Heres the nut: I did tell her less than two weeks in because it was so clear that estrogen had a profound effect on my mental outlook. For better or worse her response was exactly what I expected, quite negative, concerned for social appearances and not wanting to be in a lesbian relationship, also pretty quick to say "she didn't want to be the bitch that held me back".

We're in a better place now, she's seeing a relationship that may be less sexual and since we're fundamentally poly that may not be a problem long run.

So, back to you, it's not clear to me, has she in fact been seeing other people romantically? I ask because you both went through this period in a very short time and it seems clear you're having regrets.

For me, discovery that I'm fundamentally feminine inside came alongside realizing a lot of other things about myself, being poly came shortly before, as did realization that I could be bisexual. I think it's not unusual for a few things to change at once. As a scientist I hate that; you want to change only one variable at a time. As a human, I accept that it's harder to isolate one part of my life from another (and some people compartmentalize better than others).

Best wishes, I'm glad you still have her in your life, sorry to hear that it's in a difficult way.

Hi:)
Thanks for your reply, I enjoyed (if I can say that) reading your story.

I'm not sure if she has had romantic partners since we separated our lives. I haven't, I still dream about it with her, as strange as that sounds!
I am having regrets definitely! In the past and my entire life I have been alittle bit like a bull to a gate when times are hard and don't handle them well. There was fault on both sides when it all came out. I was hurt he was the most amazing person who I admired and adored.. Also the first person I have ever wanted to stay with and remain faithful too! A big change for me! I loved him!
But as time went on the last 10 months I have realised it wasn't him I loved it was her soul, and if she ended up in a female body I would of embraced that fully.
She did at one time after coming out initiate a conversation about possibly her being able to try sexually with a man.
We have only ever been monogamous together. I flipped out as most would I suspect. As time has gone on and I have taken the time to understand I think I would now be ok with this. Too late now to be honest.
It might read like I'm prepared to sacrifice but it's actually that I have learnt that everyone is different and that includes relationships.
I have learnt so much about myself and it wouldn't of happened without this trans journey.
All I wish for now is for her and me to be happy in someway!
I think that now that she sees herself as gender fluid she may still have a very long journey of discovery to go.
Marie X


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