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Started by Dawn5792, January 25, 2016, 03:17:04 PM

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Dawn5792

Hello,

I'm kinda at a loss for this stuff, this is all "new" to me, so bear with me.  I've known I've been trans(put a name to my feelings) for about 3-4 years, and in the past few weeks it's become simply impossible to hold back.  I've never been to therapy(though I plan to start ASAP).  I'm 31, and a professional(trial attorney).  I have some idiot questions/thoughts to get out of the way:

1.  I guess what bothers me the most is that over the past 2-3 weeks I've been scouring the internet for everything on the topic, and everybody is toeing the same party line - that a) if you think you're trans, you're trans, and b) that if you are trans, the only way to deal with it is to transition. 

and on part b) every part of my brain rebels at the idea that there is only one solution to the issue.  There HAS to be some other possibility out there. Surely something in that was acting on my brain to make me feel better, even if not 100% better?  For those doctors and therapists heavily involved in this community, it's a HUGE amount of money for a small pond, I'm especially worried that the fact that the only one solution is a product of these financial incentives. 

2.  How is everybody so sure it's not a possible explanation?  I definitely fit the profile, I'm again, 31, attracted to women, and when I dress up like a girl It pretty often turns me on, at least in the beginning before I feel so sick to my stomach...then just keep on wearing it...I'm worried that this community is being a victim of its own confirmation bias.  Why can't it just be some sort of fetish?  I've got no problem with it being a fetish...even if I started dressing like this before I even had my first erection or even knew what attraction was...UGH NONE OF THIS MAKES ANY (not allowed) SENSE.

3.  And going off that second point a bit, doesn't the fact that I feel really disgusting when I dress up kind of contradict my self-diagnosis of trans?  Like, that some part of me knows it's not right, even though I keep doing it?

4.  Off the personal stuff - is anybody here also a professional?  I'm terrified at the idea of transitioning while working.  I have to deal with juries, guys and gals.  The average american isn't exactly tolerant of transgendered people.  I'm scared that if I transition I'll have to change careers and go to med school or something like that where I won't have as hard a time at work.  If I'm dealing with the general public en masse as I do, I'd need to pass perfectly, and being a really bald 31 year old is going to make that nearly impossible, at best a roll of the dice.

5.  Is it normal to feel really really weird about this?  Like, I've been talking to one of my best friends about it, and he's been playing with pronouns a little bit, and it feels SO WEIRD when he calls me a 'she'.  Like, I like it, but I also don't because I just feels like that shouldn't apply to an obvious dude with a ridiculously hairy chest, and again, bald.  It makes me feel really disgusted with myself, like I feel like he's lying to me or something to make me feel better.  And when I think bout HRT/SRS...I mean, I've never been especially attached to Mr. Winky and his two friends, but come on within the first 3-6 months of HRT I'd be chemically castrating myself!  Kind of a big deal.  Not to mention SRS and actually going the whole way...

6.
I mean, there's so much more that's running through my head, but those I guess are my biggest concerns.  This is all just so new(I mean, not really, but you know) and weird and I'm at a (not allowed) loss.  I do want to thank everybody for sharing their experiences all over though, it really was something I needed to read, even if I'm hoping SO MUCH that this is all just some bad dream or I'm just psyching myself out or something.  Knowledge is power and you're all wonderful.

- Dawn(weird typing that out with my hairy arms)

Mod Edit - no I'm anything other trans, no Illegal acts (drugs), no ->-bleeped-<-, no self medicating talk  and no foul language please TOS 5, 8, 9 ,10, and 11 
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Deborah

Hey, welcome to the forum.  I have time to answer part of that and then I need to leave work for home.  If nobody else jumps in with the rest I'll try to later.

To an extent it is self diagnosed.  But you're right that there could be other mental health conditions that could lead you into a false conclusion.  That's one reason it's wise to seek out an experienced gender therapist and talk to them.  One of the first things they do, after a little small talk, is try to eliminate all the other things you mention.  When I went to my first appointment a little over a year ago that was the first thing I asked him to do; be certain that I'm not just insane or delusional.

Looking at the clock it's time for me to pack up my desk.  I hope that helped a little bit.


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Mariah

Hi Dawn and welcome to Susan's. I know it can be overwhelming and frustrating as we try to come to terms and grasp everything. A therapist can help you sort through this. This is a peer to peer support site so it is possible professionals are here, but at large it is just your peers supporting you. I look forward to seeing you around the forums. Good luck and Hugs


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Dawn5792

Whoa that's a lot of TOS issues, sorry bout that.
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Ms Grace

Hi, welcome to the forum. Yes, it can feel weird to feel/know you are transgender - we live in a society that is so hostile and toxic towards transgender people that the very thought that we might ourselves be trans can be deeply unsettling because the negativity has been ingrained since birth. A lot of trans people struggle with internalised transphobia and it can really lead to them hating themselves, questioning their "motives" and finding any and all reasons to avoid admitting they are trans. Being trans doesn't mean you have to transition to your identified gender - it doesn't have to mean surgery, hormones, cross dressing or anything. But if the feeling that you are the wrong gender is persistent and makes you feel confused, angry, depressed and/or lost, then rather than trying to over think or rationalise the matter you'd do better instead to at least have a chat with a therapist to sort out those feelings and what, if anything, you want to do about them.
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Mariah

Dawn, no worries. It happens. You are trying to figure yourself out and understand things and it is understandable. You will get the hang of things eventually. Always feel free to ask questions. If your not sure if it breaks TOS. then don't be afraid to ask us so we can help you know for sure if something will or won't go against the rules. Hugs
Mariah
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Deborah

Question #2 is on a subject banned here mainly because it's a theory that is discredited by most professionals in this field.  However, it's on the Internet so it always raises questions in people's minds as they try to figure it out.  I'm going to paste a response to a similar question from a few weeks ago.  (I'm not a psychologist and this is only my opinion)

"I just want to add that I understand your discomfort and confusion over the sexual feelings.  I had the same confusion.  If you are trans those feelings are there because of the testosterone in your system.  That's what testosterone does.  It causes anyone to become aroused and focused on sex.  If you do HRT the testosterone will be reduced and the sexual feelings will be gone, or at least greatly reduced.  At that point if the trans feelings remain and you are not bothered by the loss of the sexual feelings you will be able to answer to yourself what you are."


Sapere Aude
Love is not obedience, conformity, or submission. It is a counterfeit love that is contingent upon authority, punishment, or reward. True love is respect and admiration, compassion and kindness, freely given by a healthy, unafraid human being....  - Dan Barker

U.S. Army Retired
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Deborah

As for dealing with being trans if you are trans there is not only one solution.

First, you could just do nothing and hope for the best.  This generally involves coping strategies that keep the mind and body continually busy and occupied with other things.  Most here, including me, will tell you that eventually that won't work anymore.  It often spirals down into a deep well of despondency which basically just makes living suck.

Second, you could take various combinations of HRT under a Dr's supervision and not fully transition, or at least not right away.  That's where I'm presently at.  For many this does ease or solve the mental conflict.  It also can alter your appearance which may or may not cause you other problems if you are trying to maintain a male image.

Third, you could fully transition.

And fourth, there are probably other things you could try that I haven't thought of.


Sapere Aude
Love is not obedience, conformity, or submission. It is a counterfeit love that is contingent upon authority, punishment, or reward. True love is respect and admiration, compassion and kindness, freely given by a healthy, unafraid human being....  - Dan Barker

U.S. Army Retired
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Dawn5792

Thank you all so much for the support, I feel like I'm losing my mind and you're all so nice.
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Deborah

And about the question of being a professional.  I'm not a lawyer but am a professional in another field.  I'm still coming to terms with the same issues you are so I can't really help there.  However, there are professionals on this forum who have fully transitioned on the job without any negative consequences.  I believe that at least one is a lawyer.


Sapere Aude
Love is not obedience, conformity, or submission. It is a counterfeit love that is contingent upon authority, punishment, or reward. True love is respect and admiration, compassion and kindness, freely given by a healthy, unafraid human being....  - Dan Barker

U.S. Army Retired
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Dena

Quote from: Dawn5792 on January 25, 2016, 05:00:37 PM
Thank you all so much for the support, I feel like I'm losing my mind and you're all so nice.
You aren't losing your mind, your just starting to find it. I am not sure how long you have been feeling it but you mind will have a hard time stopping for a month or more while you become used to the thoughts that are going through it. This is normal and it will pass. I spend several weeks getting two hours of sleep a night before my mind returned to the new normal.
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Maybebaby56

Hi Dawn,

It's all very confusing, isn't it sweetie? I think much of the points you have raised have been at least touched, but I wanted to add my own comments.

Quote from: Dawn5792 on January 25, 2016, 03:17:04 PM
if you think you're trans, you're trans, and b) that if you are trans, the only way to deal with it is to transition. 

I don't think either of those conclusions should be taken for granted.  Transgender is an umbrella term, and can simply mean you question the simple gender-binary norm of society, or that certain expressions of your sexuality are confusing to you.  It certainly doesn't imply you are a transsexual or have to transition socially. 

Quote from: Dawn5792 on January 25, 2016, 03:17:04 PM
There HAS to be some other possibility out there. Surely something in that was acting on my brain to make me feel better, even if not 100% better? 
There may well be.  This is for you and a therapist to explore together, so that you may deal with it more constructively.  Nothing is a foregone conclusion.

Quote from: Dawn5792 on January 25, 2016, 03:17:04 PM
2.  How is everybody so sure it's not a possible explanation?  I definitely fit the profile, I'm again, 31, attracted to women, and when I dress up like a girl It pretty often turns me on, at least in the beginning before I feel so sick to my stomach...then just keep on wearing it...I'm worried that this community is being a victim of its own confirmation bias.  Why can't it just be some sort of fetish?  I've got no problem with it being a fetish...even if I started dressing like this before I even had my first erection or even knew what attraction was...UGH NONE OF THIS MAKES ANY (not allowed) SENSE.

3.  And going off that second point a bit, doesn't the fact that I feel really disgusting when I dress up kind of contradict my self-diagnosis of trans?  Like, that some part of me knows it's not right, even though I keep doing it?

I know what you are referring to, and I agree it just makes things more confusing. I crossdressed for years, ever since I was a child.  It was tremendously satisfying.  I felt such relief. I also found it sexually arousing. However, as I got older, any feeling of relief was offset by the disgust and self-loathing I would feel afterward.  I went for months, even years, suppressing the feeling. I got married, I had children, I did everything a guy was supposed do, but the desire to be female never left.  For me, it was not the clothes that were exciting, but the feeling of fulfillment.

One of the biggest conformations for me that I was trans was after starting hormone therapy.  My sex drive became non-existent, but my desire to be female never stopped.  Ironically I feel so much more complete, and at ease with myself I wondered if I should continue my transition.  But when I imagine stopping I am filled with a feeling of despair. 

Quote from: Dawn5792 on January 25, 2016, 03:17:04 PM
4.  Off the personal stuff - is anybody here also a professional?  I'm terrified at the idea of transitioning while working.  I have to deal with juries, guys and gals.  The average american isn't exactly tolerant of transgendered people.  I'm scared that if I transition I'll have to change careers and go to med school or something like that where I won't have as hard a time at work.  If I'm dealing with the general public en masse as I do, I'd need to pass perfectly, and being a really bald 31 year old is going to make that nearly impossible, at best a roll of the dice.

There are many other professionals on this site. I have a PhD in chemistry, and work as a scientist in the defense industry. Your concerns are not unique, and they are not insignificant. My biggest fear, aside from alienating my children, is coming out at work.  However, if I were you, I would be more inventive than simply saying "I need a new career".  Maybe you don't have to be a trial lawyer to practice law.  As you well know, there are many fields of law where one never has to deal with the public.

Quote from: Dawn5792 on January 25, 2016, 03:17:04 PM
5.  Is it normal to feel really really weird about this? 

Lol!  Yes it is, dear.

Quote from: Dawn5792 on January 25, 2016, 03:17:04 PM
Like, I've been talking to one of my best friends about it, and he's been playing with pronouns a little bit, and it feels SO WEIRD when he calls me a 'she'.  Like, I like it, but I also don't because I just feels like that shouldn't apply to an obvious dude with a ridiculously hairy chest, and again, bald. 

You would be amazed at some of the transitions that people have shared here.  Of course it feels weird.  You've been trained your whole life to think of yourself as a man.  Your whole life has been wrapped up in being a man.  Transition is hard.  There is no way to sugarcoat that. But it's your life, and you have to decide what is best for you.

Quote from: Dawn5792 on January 25, 2016, 03:17:04 PM
And when I think bout HRT/SRS...I mean, I've never been especially attached to Mr. Winky and his two friends, but come on within the first 3-6 months of HRT I'd be chemically castrating myself!  Kind of a big deal.  Not to mention SRS and actually going the whole way...

Transition does not have to mean SRS and "going the whole way".  When I decided to transition, I made concrete plans, e.g. see a gender therapist, start hair removal, start HRT, get FFS, etc.  At each point I could stop, and abandon transition if it was just too much. I will say it again, transition is hard.  People can lose friends, family, careers. You have balance that potential cost against what you feel you will gain.

Quote from: Dawn5792 on January 25, 2016, 03:17:04 PM
6. I mean, there's so much more that's running through my head, but those I guess are my biggest concerns.  This is all just so new(I mean, not really, but you know) and weird and I'm at a (not allowed) loss.  I do want to thank everybody for sharing their experiences all over though, it really was something I needed to read, even if I'm hoping SO MUCH that this is all just some bad dream or I'm just psyching myself out or something.  Knowledge is power and you're all wonderful.

- Dawn(weird typing that out with my hairy arms)

I think you will find lots of support and information here.  I wish you all the best!

With kindness,

Terri
"How we spend our days is, of course, how we spend our lives" - Annie Dillard
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V M

Hi Dawn  :icon_wave:

Welcome to Susan's  :)  Glad to have you here, join on in the fun

Hugs

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Dawn5792

 :icon_chainsaw:

wooooooooo, fun.

Can't say I'm not a bit excited, I expected to have an adventure this month - didn't really expect THIS to be my adventure, but, you know...

Excuse me while I start therapy and lose like 85 pounds.  Thanks for all the advice, you're all wonderful.
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Devlyn

Hi Dawn, welcome to Susan's Place! I'm up near Boston. It can take awhile to sort things out in your mind, that's what we're here for, though!  :)  See you around the site!

Hugs, Devlyn
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kaitylynn

Welcome aboard to a great resource for us.  Do not worried too much about being confused about trans, it is like that by nature.
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MeganAshley

"Have I gone mad?"

"I'm afraid so. You're entirely bonkers. But I'll tell you a secret. All the best people are."

What is "normal", anyway?

Sorry, had a session with my therapist today and that always leaves me feeling a bit philosophical.

Welcome! I am glad that you found us...but more importantly, I am glad that you are starting to find yourself.
The journey can happen in a million different ways so don't think that you only have a single choice in all of this.
Meet with a gender therapist. It will help to focus and organize your thoughts and find a direction that will ultimately work best for you.

In the end, your journey is your journey and you have to take it. But you will meet some wonderful and fantastic people along the way.

*hugs*
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Futurist

Quote from: Deborah on January 25, 2016, 04:43:25 PM
Question #2 is on a subject banned here mainly because it's a theory that is discredited by most professionals in this field.  However, it's on the Internet so it always raises questions in people's minds as they try to figure it out.  I'm going to paste a response to a similar question from a few weeks ago.  (I'm not a psychologist and this is only my opinion)

"I just want to add that I understand your discomfort and confusion over the sexual feelings.  I had the same confusion.  If you are trans those feelings are there because of the testosterone in your system.  That's what testosterone does.  It causes anyone to become aroused and focused on sex.  If you do HRT the testosterone will be reduced and the sexual feelings will be gone, or at least greatly reduced.  At that point if the trans feelings remain and you are not bothered by the loss of the sexual feelings you will be able to answer to yourself what you are."


Sapere Aude
Our of curiosity--would this be true for me and for my own sexual feelings as well? After all, while my own cross-gender and gender-variant feelings are largely non-sexual, there certainly is a sexual component to them (such as me sometimes getting sexually aroused by the thought of me having a vagina)?
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Deborah


Quote from: Futurist on January 30, 2016, 02:58:02 AM
Our of curiosity--would this be true for me and for my own sexual feelings as well? After all, while my own cross-gender and gender-variant feelings are largely non-sexual, there certainly is a sexual component to them (such as me sometimes getting sexually aroused by the thought of me having a vagina)?
it might be.  Or it might be that my theory is all wrong. 

Could it be you are in fact trans and are simply overthinking it all due to the plethora of often conflicting theories that abound on the Internet?  I think that's possible.  Try this thought experiment.  Remove all sexual components from your mind.  What remains then as to your sense of self?

Regardless, it probably would be useful for you to speak on this issue with a professional to help sort it all out in your mind.


Sapere Aude
Love is not obedience, conformity, or submission. It is a counterfeit love that is contingent upon authority, punishment, or reward. True love is respect and admiration, compassion and kindness, freely given by a healthy, unafraid human being....  - Dan Barker

U.S. Army Retired
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