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Asked if I wanted to go up to the lounge. Declined.

Started by Ms Grace, March 14, 2016, 03:14:32 AM

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Ms Grace

So I had to go interstate for work last week. I was at Sydney airport and making my way to the waiting area at the gate for my flight when I noticed this guy looking at me. He was at least as old as me, maybe older, I thought maybe he was lost or something. I said hi, he said "hello, want to go up to the lounge?" - which would be the Gold Class Business Lounge. Wow, so forward! A tempting offer to be sure but this guy really looked like the roving hands type probably not that interested in conversation. So I smiled and said no thank you. I noticed that he watched where I went to sit but fortunately he took no for an answer and left me alone.

Even if he had seemed more appealing I wouldn't have been in the mood, it had been a stressful morning getting my hot water system fixed and getting to the airport in high humidity and heat, ugh. (Had to take a paracetamol that night in my my hotel room.)

It's been almost two years living full time and I'm still finding it difficult to find the right way to respond to advances from men. They don't happen all that much and in the past I have been dismissive and sometimes downright rude, at least this time I was fairly polite.

Anyway, it was interesting going on this work trip. It was for a two day meeting in a city I'm unfamiliar with, with people I'd never met...but it all went really well. I felt warmly and immediately welcomed by these interstate colleagues. And being face to face with the service industry - airlines, taxis, hotels, restaurants, etc meant lots and lots of "miss", "madam"...ain't ever gonna get tired of that!
Grace
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Transition 1.0 (Julie): HRT 1989-91
Self-denial: 1991-2013
Transition 2.0 (Grace): HRT June 24 2013
Full-time: March 24, 2014 :D
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rosinstraya

I think "you'll  know when you know" if you know what I mean! Fingers crossed for next time. Glad you enjoyed the wild north!
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AnonyMs

I can't help but wonder what he did next.

Did he ask anyone else?
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Cindy

Grace,
I think this is also a bit of personal preference. I'm into men and would have agreed. But then again I fly business and a member of Qantas BL so I would have just whistled and see if he followed. :laugh:
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WallabyWallop

Oh wow, that's exciting! At least you got a good story out of it  :)

I've been wondering if I'll ever be in a similar position. I would hate to turn someone down, but I'm in a committed relationship and not into guys (despite some caveats on both points)
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Ashey

Quote from: Ms Grace on March 14, 2016, 03:14:32 AM
It's been almost two years living full time and I'm still finding it difficult to find the right way to respond to advances from men. They don't happen all that much and in the past I have been dismissive and sometimes downright rude, at least this time I was fairly polite.

Ehh you do get used to it after some time. Fairly quick I might add if it happens often enough! It's simple though... If you're at all interested, you either think about it and let him convince you or you pretend to think about it and agree. :P However, if you aren't interested, maybe give a quick polite slight smile (one that is obviously impersonal) and say 'No, thanks', followed by the cold shoulder and not paying him any attention. Good to look busy or otherwise occupied too. It's not rude, but it's firm. Don't give any indication that he can change your mind, because I swear, guys will find aaaany way in if they can and will keep trying to convince you if there is a chance at all. So sometimes (often really) you have to shut them down quickly and definitely.
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stephaniec

I don't know what I'd do, but  since I got my black lace dress I've been looking for I'm going to end up in the lounge in my favorite movie theater pretty soon my guess is that free drinks and a nice meal, but that's me. Not to sound  shallow , but if he was a wealthy tycoon it would help too.
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Ms Grace

Now that I think about it, the one thing that has really changed for me in terms of guys hitting on me is that I am much less freaked out by it happening. I remember the first time it happened...at a busy bus interchange nonetheless!...I just about leaped out of my skin in panic. I was really rude to him too, so I'm starting to see the connection!
Grace
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Transition 1.0 (Julie): HRT 1989-91
Self-denial: 1991-2013
Transition 2.0 (Grace): HRT June 24 2013
Full-time: March 24, 2014 :D
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FrancisAnn

Maybe you will enjoy being courted one day by a man. It's sounds like he was nice, not rude. I would have accepted easily. It's sad to say but sometimes we have to kiss a lot of frogs to find a prince. But that's just me. I've always been attracted to men.
mtF, mid 50's, always a girl since childhood, HRT (Spiro, E & Fin.) since 8-13. Hormone levels are t at 12 & estrogen at 186. Face lift & eye lid surgery in 2014. Abdominoplasty/tummy tuck & some facial surgery May, 2015. Life is good for me. Love long nails & handsome men! Hopeful for my GRS & a nice normal depth vagina maybe by late summer. 5' 8", 180 pounds, 14 dress size, size 9.5 shoes. I'm kind of an elegant woman & like everything pink, nice & neet. Love my nails & classic Revlon Red. Moving back to Florida, so excited but so much work moving
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Ms Grace

I'm not all that attracted to guys. If I was I probably would have said yes, even though he did seem creepy.
Grace
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Transition 1.0 (Julie): HRT 1989-91
Self-denial: 1991-2013
Transition 2.0 (Grace): HRT June 24 2013
Full-time: March 24, 2014 :D
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Eva Marie

I might have said yes even though i'm not really into guys. You are at an airport and both of you are soon to leave for different destinations - you will most likely never see each other again. You will be in a private and probably very secure lounge. The guy obviously thought your were interesting enough to screw up his courage and ask, and he was probably lonely and just wanted to chat with an attractive lady. The worst he could do is ask for your phone number. Any misbehavior by him and you could just walk away or reach for security. I would see it as an opportunity to chat with and learn about someone new and a chance to practice my female social skills.

OTOH I can sympathize with the feeling of "go away and leave me alone" when i'm traveling - When i'm in an airport i'm concerned with being in the right place at the right time to catch my plane - fielding someone hitting on me is not what I really want at that moment. The airport is not the place for that.

I can also sympathize with the nervousness of getting hit on by a guy and being unsure of how to handle it. It's an experience that our cis-sisters have to learn to deal with and now so do we. Welcome to being a female.

Just accept it as a sign that people find you interesting and attractive  :)
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Tysilio

I've never been in this situation myself, but my immediate reaction is that what makes that invitation creepy is the lack of any attempt at conversation first. A non-creepy version would, IMO, go something like this:

Grace: "Hi."
Man: "Hi, how are you doing?"
Grace: "Fine, other than the heat -- how about you?"
Man: "Yeah, it's a hot one, but I'm coping. Be glad you don't have to wear this damn suit."
Grace: "Oh, I can imagine what that must be like." []
Man: "Where are you headed?"
Grace: "[city I'm unfamiliar with]."
Man: "I've heard it's nice there -- I'm going to [somewhere]. Do you have time to go up to the lounge for a quick drink?"

Without something like that, it's obvious that he'd be after anyone in a skirt.
Never bring an umbrella to a coyote fight.
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stephaniec

well, there is always the possibility that he is an esteemed scientist heading to a conference at the UN for the World Heath Organization and has a plan for preventing that epidemic that all the scientific minds in the world know is going to happen sooner or later , it's just a matter of the right mutation. He may be a genius who's social skills are severely lacking and when he saw Grace something snapped and he finally after many years of solitude felt the moment was his only chance to finally  break free and ask and adorable woman to have a drink.
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Eevee

Quote from: Tysilio on March 14, 2016, 12:26:53 PM
I've never been in this situation myself, but my immediate reaction is that what makes that invitation creepy is the lack of any attempt at conversation first. A non-creepy version would, IMO, go something like this:

Grace: "Hi."
Man: "Hi, how are you doing?"
Grace: "Fine, other than the heat -- how about you?"
Man: "Yeah, it's a hot one, but I'm coping. Be glad you don't have to wear this damn suit."
Grace: "Oh, I can imagine what that must be like." []
Man: "Where are you headed?"
Grace: "[city I'm unfamiliar with]."
Man: "I've heard it's nice there -- I'm going to [somewhere]. Do you have time to go up to the lounge for a quick drink?"

Without something like that, it's obvious that he'd be after anyone in a skirt.

Wow. This would be so much better than what actually happened. That would actually be charming. When I read what he actually said in Grace's post, I tried to put myself in her shoes and far too many red flags went up. I even prefer men and I'd stay far from him.

Eevee
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WallabyWallop

That's a good point. He might have done well to engage in some small talk beforehand.
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Adchop

Don't give any indication that he can change your mind, because I swear, guys will find aaaany way in if they can and will keep trying to convince you if there is a chance at all. So sometimes (often really) you have to shut them down quickly and definitely.
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I completely agree with this. Many men think that being persistent will help them to eventually land the girl. The truth is that attitude is bordering on stalker, & it's something I never agreed with. If you show interest in someone, & they turn you down. You move on.

The sad thing is that these romantic stories/movies over the years almost encourage men to take this "be as persistent as you can & win her heart attitude". Men should understand that women's choices should be respected, not seen as pursuit for the "thrill of the chase".
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Adchop

Quote from: Ms Grace on March 14, 2016, 07:19:35 AM
I'm not all that attracted to guys. If I was I probably would have said yes, even though he did seem creepy.

I think that's the problem with being a TG woman, that's not attracted to men. Men are most of the time more aggressive in terms of relationship pursuing. I'm sure it can be annoying telling men your not interested all the time.
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FrancisAnn

Ms Grace. Maybe it's good for you not to have much attraction to men. I sure cannot say that & I've gotten into trouble several times with a horny man. I cannot resist at all if the man looks nice, I like & enjoy an aggressive man. Even married men that were great at the time but later I felt so bad about getting into a 3 way, no win relationship. Good luck to you down under & thanks for the interesting post.
mtF, mid 50's, always a girl since childhood, HRT (Spiro, E & Fin.) since 8-13. Hormone levels are t at 12 & estrogen at 186. Face lift & eye lid surgery in 2014. Abdominoplasty/tummy tuck & some facial surgery May, 2015. Life is good for me. Love long nails & handsome men! Hopeful for my GRS & a nice normal depth vagina maybe by late summer. 5' 8", 180 pounds, 14 dress size, size 9.5 shoes. I'm kind of an elegant woman & like everything pink, nice & neet. Love my nails & classic Revlon Red. Moving back to Florida, so excited but so much work moving
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Emily.P

I had a somewhat close experience last week. I was returning home from Istanbul where I had spent 7 hours in transfer hotel, I grabbed a taxi cab (actually it was a van, but the driver said it is ok for a single passenger to take taxi van) and he took me home really quick (like it was 17 minutes drive from the airport to my home). We had some random chatter about traffic jam which went the opposite direction, what was weather like during the past week etc. I gave him quite generous tip for taking me home really fast, he took my luggage and then said: "I would love to ask You out for a coffee".
I could not believe my ears and said something like "Excuse me?" so he repeated. I looked at him - about 1.90 m tall, really broad (not fat) and for a brief moment considered offering him a cup of coffee at my place, but since I was quite tired after early wake up and 3 hours flight, I dismissed the idea, plus I had to move on, unload my stuff and rush to other part of the city to pick up my daughter. So I told him: "Maybe another time...".
Still, what could I tell him? Like: "You know, You really really dont want to ask me out for a coffee because..." and then hope that he wont punch me in the face?
Oh yeah, and on top of this, it was the very first time when something like that had happened in real life (not online dating) - and I always thought that our men are too shy for asking complete stranger out... Gosh, I really hope that me cutting him off did not result into some sort of negative experience for him, because IMO it takes a lot of courage - unless he routinely asks out all unaccompanied female passengers.
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Arch

Grace, at least you recognize when a guy is interested. I've had it happen a couple of times since I transitioned, and both times I didn't really figure it out until later. The first time, I did start second-guessing the guy's behavior from the week before, so at least I wasn't a complete moron that time. But the second time, whoosh, right over my head until I analyzed the whole situation later.

I'm really not THAT obtuse, I swear.
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