Facial Changes on HRT after 1 year. what's reasonable?

[Tanya1]

I looked through some of your photos on the changes. Not to mention any names or hurt anyone's feelings but many of you DON'T look very feminime. Some ladies just have a very large frame and the HRT in my opinion and viewpoint it seemed to render little to no results on them. Maybe for them the results were substantial but I think it they were already very masculine, large frame, strong facial hair, big bone structure, lots of muscle mass, hieght etc- so the slightest changes seemed to be significant to them.

Anyway, I looked at some of the other pics and noticed a great change in their face- they looked much more female.

I'm 17 and I'm not very masculine. I have a small frame, bone structure is small, height is okay(5 6), I have some facial hair BUT it's not all on my face(it's under-developed). I have started HRT. I'm on estrogen and AAs. In ONLY 2 weeks I couldn't get ANY erection at all, if i look at porn i just look at it with boredom and don't seem to care. I lost much strenght, I'm suddenly getting emotional(caring, more kind, calm etc)- so far it seems to be working according to these very quick mental effects. my nipples today appeared a bit darker- I feel colder and my nipples are more responsive to temperature.


Now I have some q's

1)Some of you claim that you began hrt and the results were so significant. You said that many people noticed.- your body did change BUT I don't think it was very female looking. Considering that I'm young, not fully developed as a male and that for my age I'm not very manly looking. what changes are expected within 3 months? 6 months? 1yr?-

2) Now some of you claim that it will be "hard" to pass as a male.- is this really true?- because I looked at some of your pics that claimed this and honestly(not to hurt you) in my opinion I think you'd be better off passing as a male than female. now if you take into account that I'm much more shorter in height than most of you(lots of ppl here are 6 foot+), have a smaller frame, less masculine etc. do you think after 1 year of HRT- with AA's, estrogen(bio-ident) and progestorone(to maximise breasts and further feminize)  it will be "Hard" for me to pass as a male? and what I mean by that is- will i be mistaken for a female?, I don't mean whether or not I will have a people teasing me about having boobs, I mean- Will ppl think i'm female?

3) Some of you say that ppl will know "something is up". What will they mostly say or question? what will they comment on? Will it be postive or negative? i heard your scent will change(you will smell more like a female) how will men percieve this? women?

4) Now I don't care what some ppl say about facial changes. Hormones effect everything!- some ppl get facial changes others do not!- we are all diff. So since I read that facial changes take some more patience-after 1 yr of HRT, how significant will these changes be? Will people question or comment? negative or postive? If you take into consideration of my age, I don't have a thick Jawline and don't base your answers on your age & physical body, what can I expect it to do for me?- i have a problem with cheeks- I need more bubbly cheeks- my jawline is fine. Will women notice this? if so what will they comment or say?

5) Now some of you will say that HRT can't affect height- it most certianly can in my view. Some of you claim to have lost an inch or 2. I have a goal to lose 2 1/2 inch-( want to be 5 3 1/2- Some of you said that this is mostly due to muscle mass-correct BUT hrt effects the bones too in my opinion. Some of you may have not gotten any height decrease and I don't think you can base your results to what I will get. Considering that I'm young, and haven't fully developed- is 2 1/2 inch a  possible decrease?- if someone older than me got 1 1/2 inch, don't you think I could possible get more decrease since hormones will affect me more?

6)i want to decrease my shoe size to a women's 7 from a 9- is this possible?

7) what changes will happen on my legs?

thanks

PS. Try not to base your results on my questions- try to fit in my shoes.

-Tanya

[shanetastic]

I don't have a lot of time to answer this question right now, so I'll come back to it later, but I'm just going to say what most people will say.

Results are extremly varied, so you won't know about height or shoe size until / if it happens.  It's all about genetics and luck really.  With that being said I'll come back to this later to answer the rest. . . well, answer what I can.

[SarahFaceDoom]

Since your 17 you should get pretty good results.  The closer you are to puberty the better.  Try looking at pictures of people closer to your own age, and you may have a better idea of what to expect.

[Lori]

Oh you will pass just fine and be so hot given your age and size. You may look better than any GG that ever walked the earth. You should start HRT as soon as you can before you end up like everybody else...OMG!! Think about how horrible that would be 

I think you are the perfect candidate for transition. I know how you feel about porn!! I just sit and watch it with drool coming out of my mouth and it mixes with my beer and I have to get another one. God you would be so perfect...except shoe size which there is not much you can do about that..You may lose some size if you lose weight. But nobody is perfect....sadly not even you...poor widdle thing.

[shanetastic]

Okay Tanya, I'll try to answer the questions that I can.  Please note though, I've only been transitioning for like a month and a half, so I'm no where near any of these other fine ladies

I started hormones about 2 months after I turned 19, so were a little close in age, althogh, like you said, I'm one of those tall cases for girls sadly enough.  I'm 6' but only weigh 135 right now, as for shoe size, it hasn't changed.  I'm a 10 in womens, and have been, but of course, I've only been on hormones for 2 months.

As for facial results, I'll speculate here.  Actually I'll throw back information that everyone has said around here.  Normally facial changes, you can notice something within 3 months, but it might not be significant.  I hear about anywhere inbetween the 6 month mark to year mark is when changes occur during your face that are noticable, although it could takes years for it to fully change.  I'm pretty much just a normal looking guy, but with very little facial hair like yourself, but so far I haven't really noticed any facial changes either, but I know this is because I haven't been on HRT for long.

As for the body, I have gained a little bit of fat on my hips so far, and my skin has softened somewhat, but that's about it for now.  My breasts are still in a minimal stage of growing, you can notice them a little bit, but people wouldn't ever think about looking twice, but again, not looking to change fast since it won't happen either way hehe.  As for what I hear, it is normally hard for anyone to pass after a year of hormones as a male anymore.  Sure, you could always look adrogyne, but with breasts and hopefully female fat distribution, I think it's difficult most of the time to present as a male, unless you hide it extremely well.  (But why would you want to if you've been taking hormones for a year anyways?)

As for being mistaken for female, there's one small bit of advice everyone can give you.  Practice your voice   It's a pain in the a** to learn, and I can personally vouche for that.  Mine sucks and it's embarassing, so I know I have a lot of practice ahead of me in that aspect.

I can't really help you on the questions that people will ask or anything, since I haven't been there yet, and probably won't for a couple of months.  I can assume that most of the time people won't even bother asking you questions, well I could think, just because they really don't care for the most part.  Although, I'm not certain on that or anything, it just depends on who you run into really and their perspective.

In regards to the height and feet size, I have heard they can change, but there's no science that tells you if or how much you'll lose, even if you do lose anything at all.  I haven't lose any height so far, although it would be nice and ideal to lose anything in my case, I would be happy   Same with foot size.  But for the time being, I'm not going to keep my expectations high, and just expect the worse, no changes.  They can happen and have happened to numerous people, I just don't want to be let down though if it never happens.  I guess there's where you genetics and structure pays off, if you have anything to lose that is.

Hope this answered SOME of your questions, I know there's probably a lot of holes left unfilled, but I'm not too experienced at the whole thing so I tried

[Steph]

I looked through some of your photos on the changes. Not to mention any names or hurt anyone's feelings but many of you DON'T look very feminime. Some ladies just have a very large frame and the HRT in my opinion and viewpoint it seemed to render little to no results on them. Maybe for them the results were substantial but I think it they were already very masculine, large frame, strong facial hair, big bone structure, lots of muscle mass, hieght etc- so the slightest changes seemed to be significant to them.

Anyway, I looked at some of the other pics and noticed a great change in their face- they looked much more female.

I'm 17 and I'm not very masculine. I have a small frame, bone structure is small, height is okay(5 6), I have some facial hair BUT it's not all on my face(it's under-developed). I have started HRT. I'm on estrogen and AAs. In ONLY 2 weeks I couldn't get ANY erection at all, if i look at porn i just look at it with boredom and don't seem to care. I lost much strenght, I'm suddenly getting emotional(caring, more kind, calm etc)- so far it seems to be working according to these very quick mental effects. my nipples today appeared a bit darker- I feel colder and my nipples are more responsive to temperature.


Now I have some q's

1)Some of you claim that you began hrt and the results were so significant. You said that many people noticed.- your body did change BUT I don't think it was very female looking. Considering that I'm young, not fully developed as a male and that for my age I'm not very manly looking. what changes are expected within 3 months? 6 months? 1yr?-

You must remember that there is always a chance that folks, lets say, "inflate" their results.  That being said as you are young the changes to your body structure could be significant, however hormones can only do so much, being more effective on muscle and skin as opposed to changing bone structure.  Don't forget that everyones results are different.

2) Now some of you claim that it will be "hard" to pass as a male.- is this really true?- because I looked at some of your pics that claimed this and honestly(not to hurt you) in my opinion I think you'd be better off passing as a male than female. now if you take into account that I'm much more shorter in height than most of you(lots of ppl here are 6 foot+), have a smaller frame, less masculine etc. do you think after 1 year of HRT- with AA's, estrogen(bio-ident) and progestorone(to maximise breasts and further feminize)  it will be "Hard" for me to pass as a male? and what I mean by that is- will i be mistaken for a female?, I don't mean whether or not I will have a people teasing me about having boobs, I mean- Will ppl think i'm female?

Hormones have nothing to do with passing, they assist the person by bringing their body insync with their brain.  Passing is entirely an individual problem not really connected to HRT, you don't need to be on HRT in order to pass, and just because someone in on HRT doesn't mean they will eventually pass. or be unable to pass in the gender they are transitioning from.

3) Some of you say that ppl will know "something is up". What will they mostly say or question? what will they comment on? Will it be postive or negative? i heard your scent will change(you will smell more like a female) how will men percieve this? women?

Much of this is anecdotal and based on perception.  I myself didn't notice that my senses or my scent changed, it may have but I'm afraid that no one came up to and said "Hey how come you smell like a woman", or "Hey how come you smell different", and nothing came back to me that my co-workers were discussing this.

4) Now I don't care what some ppl say about facial changes. Hormones effect everything!- some ppl get facial changes others do not!- we are all diff. So since I read that facial changes take some more patience-after 1 yr of HRT, how significant will these changes be? Will people question or comment? negative or postive? If you take into consideration of my age, I don't have a thick Jawline and don't base your answers on your age & physical body, what can I expect it to do for me?- i have a problem with cheeks- I need more bubbly cheeks- my jawline is fine. Will women notice this? if so what will they comment or say?

I think that it's safe to say that other women won't comment on your physical appearance one way or the other except to say that "Are you loosing/gaining weight" as the case may be.  Any changes that may occur to your facial features will manifest themselves in the skin where by it softens and becomes more subtle.  The changes are not dramatic or immediate but will happen over time and will probably go unnoticed noticed

5) Now some of you will say that HRT can't affect height- it most certianly can in my view. Some of you claim to have lost an inch or 2. I have a goal to lose 2 1/2 inch-( want to be 5 3 1/2- Some of you said that this is mostly due to muscle mass-correct BUT hrt effects the bones too in my opinion. Some of you may have not gotten any height decrease and I don't think you can base your results to what I will get. Considering that I'm young, and haven't fully developed- is 2 1/2 inch a  possible decrease?- if someone older than me got 1 1/2 inch, don't you think I could possible get more decrease since hormones will affect me more?

I doubt very much that you will achieve such significant loss in height from HRT.  Everyone gets shorter as they get older, it's part of the aging process.  I personally have shrunk by 1/2 inch but I have no evidence that it was caused from HRT.

6)i want to decrease my shoe size to a women's 7 from a 9- is this possible?

Not from HRT

7) what changes will happen on my legs?

You will probably experience a loss of muscle mass, loss of strength, and your leg hair may start to grow in finer.  But again your mileage may vary.

thanks

PS. Try not to base your results on my questions- try to fit in my shoes.

-Tanya

The big thing to remember when reading through the various posts on this topic (and there are several) is that everyones experience is different, we each perceive ourselves through our own eye's and have our own ideas on passing.  Many feel that HRT affects us psychologically as well, however there is no medical proof that this occurs.  Just my humble opinion.

Steph

[Kate]

2) Now some of you claim that it will be "hard" to pass as a male.- is this really true?- because I looked at some of your pics that claimed this and honestly(not to hurt you) in my opinion I think you'd be better off passing as a male than female.

IMHO, GID isn't a matter of deciding whether we're "better off" living as a male or female; it's about realizing you ARE male or female, and thus *having* to do everything we possibly can to live that truth in every way we can, whether we pass or not. Many will tell you that they'd rather (must) live as an unpassable woman than as a man.

As Steph said, passing is much more than looks. Seeing static photographs of people doesn't tell the whole story. I wouldn't dismiss other's claims so easily. Instead, consider that it may indicate that there's more to this then looks alone.

3) Some of you say that ppl will know "something is up". What will they mostly say or question?

"Are you losing weight?"

"Are you sick?"

4) Now I don't care what some ppl say about facial changes. Hormones effect everything!- some ppl get facial changes others do not!- we are all diff. So since I read that facial changes take some more patience-after 1 yr of HRT, how significant will these changes be?

You said it yourself: everyone is different. Some here say they haven't experienced ANY changes, even after years of HRT. Others say they couldn't pass for a boy after a month.

But again, it's more than just looks. It might also be from people getting comfortable with just being themselves, and "vibing" more female to people.

5) Now some of you will say that HRT can't affect height- it most certianly can in my view.

I lost about 1/2" in the first few months of HRT, but it stopped there. I'm also 43, so maybe it's just old age, lol.

6)i want to decrease my shoe size to a women's 7 from a 9- is this possible?

Possibly from muscle loss. I dunno how much is possible though.

7) what changes will happen on my legs?

Fatter upper thighs and rear. I'd imagine many also get fat on their calves, but I have yet to see it on myself.

~Kate~

[seldom]

I looked through some of your photos on the changes. Not to mention any names or hurt anyone's feelings but many of you DON'T look very feminime. Some ladies just have a very large frame and the HRT in my opinion and viewpoint it seemed to render little to no results on them. Maybe for them the results were substantial but I think it they were already very masculine, large frame, strong facial hair, big bone structure, lots of muscle mass, hieght etc- so the slightest changes seemed to be significant to them.

Anyway, I looked at some of the other pics and noticed a great change in their face- they looked much more female.

I'm 17 and I'm not very masculine. I have a small frame, bone structure is small, height is okay(5 6), I have some facial hair BUT it's not all on my face(it's under-developed). I have started HRT. I'm on estrogen and AAs. In ONLY 2 weeks I couldn't get ANY erection at all, if i look at porn i just look at it with boredom and don't seem to care. I lost much strenght, I'm suddenly getting emotional(caring, more kind, calm etc)- so far it seems to be working according to these very quick mental effects. my nipples today appeared a bit darker- I feel colder and my nipples are more responsive to temperature.


Now I have some q's

1)Some of you claim that you began hrt and the results were so significant. You said that many people noticed.- your body did change BUT I don't think it was very female looking. Considering that I'm young, not fully developed as a male and that for my age I'm not very manly looking. what changes are expected within 3 months? 6 months? 1yr?-

2) Now some of you claim that it will be "hard" to pass as a male.- is this really true?- because I looked at some of your pics that claimed this and honestly(not to hurt you) in my opinion I think you'd be better off passing as a male than female. now if you take into account that I'm much more shorter in height than most of you(lots of ppl here are 6 foot+), have a smaller frame, less masculine etc. do you think after 1 year of HRT- with AA's, estrogen(bio-ident) and progestorone(to maximise breasts and further feminize)  it will be "Hard" for me to pass as a male? and what I mean by that is- will i be mistaken for a female?, I don't mean whether or not I will have a people teasing me about having boobs, I mean- Will ppl think i'm female?

3) Some of you say that ppl will know "something is up". What will they mostly say or question? what will they comment on? Will it be postive or negative? i heard your scent will change(you will smell more like a female) how will men percieve this? women?

4) Now I don't care what some ppl say about facial changes. Hormones effect everything!- some ppl get facial changes others do not!- we are all diff. So since I read that facial changes take some more patience-after 1 yr of HRT, how significant will these changes be? Will people question or comment? negative or postive? If you take into consideration of my age, I don't have a thick Jawline and don't base your answers on your age & physical body, what can I expect it to do for me?- i have a problem with cheeks- I need more bubbly cheeks- my jawline is fine. Will women notice this? if so what will they comment or say?

5) Now some of you will say that HRT can't affect height- it most certianly can in my view. Some of you claim to have lost an inch or 2. I have a goal to lose 2 1/2 inch-( want to be 5 3 1/2- Some of you said that this is mostly due to muscle mass-correct BUT hrt effects the bones too in my opinion. Some of you may have not gotten any height decrease and I don't think you can base your results to what I will get. Considering that I'm young, and haven't fully developed- is 2 1/2 inch a  possible decrease?- if someone older than me got 1 1/2 inch, don't you think I could possible get more decrease since hormones will affect me more?

6)i want to decrease my shoe size to a women's 7 from a 9- is this possible?

7) what changes will happen on my legs?

thanks

PS. Try not to base your results on my questions- try to fit in my shoes.

-Tanya

Tanya, no offense, you really have a bit of arrogance, which I noticed is not uncommon with TS your age that you really need to drop.
I will be honest, you cannot judge how well somebody passes or does not pass based on a photograph, and your judgements are based on YOUR perceptions, not OUR experiences. 

With regards to shoe size.  It shrinks a size  at most, but that does not always happen.  Your bone structure determines your foot size to a large degree, and taking your size, the MOST you can expect is to drop to an 8.  I personally fall around a 9 1/2 or 10, depending on the shoe size.  As it stands any shoe size below 11 is pretty much average for a female.

With regards to height you lose an inch or maybe two at most.  But that does not happen to everybody, considering your age and your height it does not happen at all.


Lastly my personal experience.  I did not pass all the time as male, even before hormones I got nasty looks. Why? Personal behaviors and mannerisms.  I pass fine as female.  Why? Because passing goes beyond how one appears. 

I will be honest some people look more female than others.  I have met some TS which are indistinguishible, and transitioned in their early thirties.  I know one who is your age where HRT is not effective at all.

Your results may very.  I personally went from being flat to an a cup, and I began to have significant facial changes start to happen 2 1/2 months in, at age 28.  But as it stands I can pass pretty easy as both, that is if guys cloths FIT me.  Which they don't.  Again I am 5'9".  Tall for a woman, but still within the 99% grouping.

Also 5'6" is a great height to be female, it is literally, right around the US average.

Oh one more thing.  You are right height matters, as does subtle things like hand size and foot size (contrary to what some people say here, women actually do notice that).  I have met young transitioners that pass poorly and older ones who pass great. Age plays a part but if you are 6'2" and have a very male skull, a large frame, large hands, and large feet, passing is going to be more difficult.  Some people are more blessed than others.  You seem like you are probably quite blessed, but do not be so judgmental on those who are not. 

The thing is like many younger TS, you may have a very high standard of passing (in that you have to be pretty), and not quite the best understanding of the range of female faces out there. 

As somebody stated passing though is more than the face or the body.  It is the mannerisms, the voice, the who package.  The reality is you are more likely not to pass because of your voice than you face or your body. 

[Butterfly]

~laugh~ Yes you are back.
Oops sorry peeps.. just thinking outloud.  It's difficult to tell what the changes will be.  Even after many years of estrogen therapy, I was still horrid-looking so I had to have FFS and it's made all the difference.

Posted on: October 14, 2007, 03:32:53 PM

GID isn't a matter of deciding whether we're "better off" living as a male or female; it's about realizing you ARE male or female, and thus *having* to do everything we possibly can to live that truth in every way we can, whether we pass or not. Many will tell you that they'd rather (must) live as an unpassable woman than as a man.

Ditto.

[ketti]

I'd trade being 17 for being arrogant anyday

[Tanya1]

I looked through some of your photos on the changes. Not to mention any names or hurt anyone's feelings but many of you DON'T look very feminime. Some ladies just have a very large frame and the HRT in my opinion and viewpoint it seemed to render little to no results on them. Maybe for them the results were substantial but I think it they were already very masculine, large frame, strong facial hair, big bone structure, lots of muscle mass, hieght etc- so the slightest changes seemed to be significant to them.

Anyway, I looked at some of the other pics and noticed a great change in their face- they looked much more female.

I'm 17 and I'm not very masculine. I have a small frame, bone structure is small, height is okay(5 6), I have some facial hair BUT it's not all on my face(it's under-developed). I have started HRT. I'm on estrogen and AAs. In ONLY 2 weeks I couldn't get ANY erection at all, if i look at porn i just look at it with boredom and don't seem to care. I lost much strenght, I'm suddenly getting emotional(caring, more kind, calm etc)- so far it seems to be working according to these very quick mental effects. my nipples today appeared a bit darker- I feel colder and my nipples are more responsive to temperature.


Now I have some q's

1)Some of you claim that you began hrt and the results were so significant. You said that many people noticed.- your body did change BUT I don't think it was very female looking. Considering that I'm young, not fully developed as a male and that for my age I'm not very manly looking. what changes are expected within 3 months? 6 months? 1yr?-

2) Now some of you claim that it will be "hard" to pass as a male.- is this really true?- because I looked at some of your pics that claimed this and honestly(not to hurt you) in my opinion I think you'd be better off passing as a male than female. now if you take into account that I'm much more shorter in height than most of you(lots of ppl here are 6 foot+), have a smaller frame, less masculine etc. do you think after 1 year of HRT- with AA's, estrogen(bio-ident) and progestorone(to maximise breasts and further feminize)  it will be "Hard" for me to pass as a male? and what I mean by that is- will i be mistaken for a female?, I don't mean whether or not I will have a people teasing me about having boobs, I mean- Will ppl think i'm female?

3) Some of you say that ppl will know "something is up". What will they mostly say or question? what will they comment on? Will it be postive or negative? i heard your scent will change(you will smell more like a female) how will men percieve this? women?

4) Now I don't care what some ppl say about facial changes. Hormones effect everything!- some ppl get facial changes others do not!- we are all diff. So since I read that facial changes take some more patience-after 1 yr of HRT, how significant will these changes be? Will people question or comment? negative or postive? If you take into consideration of my age, I don't have a thick Jawline and don't base your answers on your age & physical body, what can I expect it to do for me?- i have a problem with cheeks- I need more bubbly cheeks- my jawline is fine. Will women notice this? if so what will they comment or say?

5) Now some of you will say that HRT can't affect height- it most certianly can in my view. Some of you claim to have lost an inch or 2. I have a goal to lose 2 1/2 inch-( want to be 5 3 1/2- Some of you said that this is mostly due to muscle mass-correct BUT hrt effects the bones too in my opinion. Some of you may have not gotten any height decrease and I don't think you can base your results to what I will get. Considering that I'm young, and haven't fully developed- is 2 1/2 inch a  possible decrease?- if someone older than me got 1 1/2 inch, don't you think I could possible get more decrease since hormones will affect me more?

6)i want to decrease my shoe size to a women's 7 from a 9- is this possible?

7) what changes will happen on my legs?

thanks

PS. Try not to base your results on my questions- try to fit in my shoes.

-Tanya

Tanya, no offense, you really have a bit of arrogance, which I noticed is not uncommon with TS your age that you really need to drop.
I will be honest, you cannot judge how well somebody passes or does not pass based on a photograph, and your judgements are based on YOUR perceptions, not OUR experiences. 

With regards to shoe size.  It shrinks a size  at most, but that does not always happen.  Your bone structure determines your foot size to a large degree, and taking your size, the MOST you can expect is to drop to an 8.  I personally fall around a 9 1/2 or 10, depending on the shoe size.  As it stands any shoe size below 11 is pretty much average for a female.

With regards to height you lose an inch or maybe two at most.  But that does not happen to everybody, considering your age and your height it does not happen at all.


Lastly my personal experience.  I did not pass all the time as male, even before hormones I got nasty looks. Why? Personal behaviors and mannerisms.  I pass fine as female.  Why? Because passing goes beyond how one appears. 

I will be honest some people look more female than others.  I have met some TS which are indistinguishible, and transitioned in their early thirties.  I know one who is your age where HRT is not effective at all.

Your results may very.  I personally went from being flat to an a cup, and I began to have significant facial changes start to happen 2 1/2 months in, at age 28.  But as it stands I can pass pretty easy as both, that is if guys cloths FIT me.  Which they don't.  Again I am 5'9".  Tall for a woman, but still within the 99% grouping.

Also 5'6" is a great height to be female, it is literally, right around the US average.

Oh one more thing.  You are right height matters, as does subtle things like hand size and foot size (contrary to what some people say here, women actually do notice that).  I have met young transitioners that pass poorly and older ones who pass great. Age plays a part but if you are 6'2" and have a very male skull, a large frame, large hands, and large feet, passing is going to be more difficult.  Some people are more blessed than others.  You seem like you are probably quite blessed, but do not be so judgmental on those who are not. 

The thing is like many younger TS, you may have a very high standard of passing (in that you have to be pretty), and not quite the best understanding of the range of female faces out there. 

As somebody stated passing though is more than the face or the body.  It is the mannerisms, the voice, the who package.  The reality is you are more likely not to pass because of your voice than you face or your body. 

No, I'm not offended, I happy that you pointed that out. I think my posts reflects my standards and judgements on what is acceptable stereotypically of a women. I have a standard of being pretty. I got  a clear picture of everything with your post. HRT can't be anymore effective in a 17 yr old than that of a 30yr old in some cases. I think genetics, how your body responds to the hormones, growth hormones and YOUR will to change is what matters the most. I believe that hormones are only effective if you have a will for them to work. I may not pass as a male soon after a few months and I need to be prepared for that- if I do then i need to work on not passing. I now understand that the voice, manners, behavior, personality are a bigger part than physical appearance. I now believe that it is a very crucial to first develop your voice, manners, personality and the way you interact with people then your appearance- because if you look like a female but have male attributes like voice and behavior you will have a tough time. Although hands, feet, height, skull design and some other cues play a huge factor in being a women but I now realize that their is more to it than just that. I just imagined what I would be like if I was Mariah Carey but had a very deep voice- I would probably be questioned about my voice and the first though that would hit people's mind is whether I'm really a woman.

Thanks for replying

[Berliegh]

I look the same facially as I did before I started HRT 6 years ago.....it may benefiit some people more than others.....

sometimes people say 'the HRT worked well on you' and I tell them I looked exactely the same before HRT which I did but I was lucky enough to look fairly androgenous to start with anyway.....

[Tanya1]

I look the same facially as I did before I started HRT 6 years ago.....it may benefiit some people more than others.....

sometimes people say 'the HRT worked well on you' and I tell them I looked exactely the same before HRT which I did but I was lucky enough to look fairly androgenous to start with anyway.....

well you may not be able to tell much difference since you hoperfully look in the mirror everyday.

[Lisbeth]

The criteria people use in deciding whether a person is male or female are entirely subjective, and two people may reach different answers.  And part of that is knowing or believing ahead of time what the person is.  Take a baby and dress it in pink, and people will say, "How sweet!  She looks so delicate!"  Take the same baby and dress it in blue, and people will say, "What a fine, strong looking young man!"  If you know someone is trans, they may never pass in your eyes.

[Ms.Behavin]

as everyone said your mileage may be different.  there are so many variables, and HRT is only part of the issue.  How you talk, not just pitch is important, how you walk,  hand arm movements,  Ha How you look at and react to someone are just as important, if not more important then changes from HRT.  Also being only 17 you could still grow and inch or two too.  It happened to a GG friend of mine at 20.  There can also mental changes in how you think too, and not just basic things either. 

We are all TS here,  Some pass more then others, but we're all sisters for who we are is not who everyone saw before. 

All I can say is after one year, I look and act so very different, from who I use to be before, and I'm an old girl of 51.  I wish you  the best of luck with your transistion.

Beni

[Kelli]

Tanya, you stated "HRT can't be anymore effective in a 17 yr old than that of a 30yr old in some cases."

I'm in agreement with everyone that said everyone is different. That's a very accurate statement.

To provide some medical statements from actual doctors specializing in HRT, MOST doctors agree that the younger a person transitions, the better the results. The physical effects of testosterone become permenant in most people around the age of 30. That's why, generally speaking, those that begin hormone therapy at a younger age have "better" results. At the average age of 40 (in the US), the effects that testosterone have on the body/face are harder to reverse.

There are a plethora of medical websites that exist that provide scientific proof and answers to some of the things that you're asking. I'm an advocate of reading actual medical reports as opposed to basing certian things on just what people say (that's not to discredit anything that anyone has posted here). My point is play it safe and do some research and see what science says.

Here's a snippet from http://secondtype.com/hormones.htm (the author is not a doctor, but reitterates the statements of those who have studied the subject in a very scientific manner)

The effects of female hormone treatment will vary considerably by individual, and can take 2 to 5 years to fully achieve.  In order to maximise the physical effects and benefits, hormone treatment should be begun as young as possible, before the body has completely matured and can no longer develop in response to stimuli.  The longer after male puberty (which typically ends by age 18) that female hormone therapy is started the less effective it will be - but not on a linear scale, the effects tail-off rapidly as time since puberty  increases.  For example, a woman starting hormones at age 20 may experience good breast development and a near cessation of facial hair growth, the same woman starting treatment at 30 will get considerably less breast development and only a slight reduction of facial hair growth, while if she started at 40 the effects will be less again, but not so significantly.

Best of luck to you!

[cindybc]

Hi Tanya

Can you guess how old the person in this photo is?  This is the result of a combination of hormones and just a few Mary Kay products. And I have been 7 years full time and and I enjoy being feminine very much, being a a woman.

Smoky Mountains Tennessee 2 years ago



Latest photo




Cindy

[Wing Walker]

I looked through some of your photos on the changes. Not to mention any names or hurt anyone's feelings but many of you DON'T look very feminime. Some ladies just have a very large frame and the HRT in my opinion and viewpoint it seemed to render little to no results on them. Maybe for them the results were substantial but I think it they were already very masculine, large frame, strong facial hair, big bone structure, lots of muscle mass, hieght etc- so the slightest changes seemed to be significant to them.

You have a wonderful way of starting a dialogue, Tanya, especially a dialogue in which you seek useful information.



Good luck. 

Wing Walker
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[Rachael]

depends how young you are, how your built,and genetics to an extent,
i started hrt at 20, and ive been on 10 months so far, but this photo (left was taken after 8 months:

enough difference for you?
R

[cindybc]

In the recent picture I am 61 years old and the prior one two years ago in Tennessee I was 58 years old.

Cindy