Facial Changes on HRT after 1 year. what's reasonable?

[Ms.Behavin]

Well in order to put this thread back on track and to start a new discussion, Here is a  before and after photo of who I was  11 months ago and who I am now or rather last month

   

The old photo was taken about 1 week prior to HRT, which I started 11/25/06

And the latest photo taken after 10 months hrt and my current avatar


I did lost a bit of weight too, But I'm well past a young age at 51 but it's what is possible, if you choose your parents right anyway.  As always your mileage will vary.

Take care

Beni

[cindybc]

Hi Beni

"Wow!" You are certainly not the same person as your previous self. Boy, the hormones ever do a job on you, a good one of course. So this goes to show it is possible for us hmmmm, more mature folks, in getting good results.

See the mones are like the fountain of youth for some of us. I still feel like I'm just a teenager most of the time, like I like letting the Id  get out to play with my soul mate every now and again.

Cindy

[Wing Walker]

Wow, Beni, you really have it going, Lady!  I should do so well!

I started my HRT at 51 also and I just turned 56.  I'm happy with the changes that have happened to me,  but you, I'm a wee tad jealous.

Cindy keeps me young, very young.

Stay well and, again, ya done good, Kid!

Wing Walker

[Tanya1]

Beni, I can defiently see some facial changes. You face is a bit more rounder, skin seems bit more smoother.

In the first picture you look pissed off- like most guys, agressive looking. The second pic you look more calm and relaxed. Hormones have a direct affect on emotions I guess.

Okay I have a question for some of you.

1)I don't know what it is but I'm getting some stares from women and some smiling. -Last night, I don't whether it was because I went to the movies in my pajamas or what but I'm getting some stares even without the pajamas. Like women being more polite. It's defiently not  because of physical changes- as that's a bit early. could it be from subconsious behavior or something?

2) do you ladies feel cold after starting HRT?- I'm more senstive to cold.

3) Also do men treat any of you like a little kid?

[Ms.Behavin]

For me, and I'll admit that HRT has been very kind to me, The estrogen has affected the mental and emotional portions of my mind as much as they have effected my body.  From loss of muscle mass my shoulders got narrower,  lost a lot of muscle mass everywhere. increased fat ratio, Yes my face is rounder even though I've lost at least 50 pounds.  It also changed the eye lid shape, nose a bit and even lips.  But the results may not be typical, as we all respond to lesser or greater degrees. 

Emotionally I am just lots calmer,  Love who I am, had a loss of spacial awareness. pretty much everything has changed to some degree or another including sexual attraction in my case.  The first photo was about 2 weeks after I told the love of my life that I was female inside, with much loss / pain inside.  That pain is only now going away slowly.

So what can you expect after one year.  well anywhere from not much to just great gob's of changes to the point where who you were to who you are are two completely different people both inside and outside.

Just my two cents, and from my perspective. Your's in any case will be different as we are each different

  Best of luck to you

Beni

[cindybc]

Hi Beni

I agree with what you said, from what I have gathered thus far the hormones developed at a different rate and time for some. There are those that get the max from the hormones and some not really that much.

The first two things it affected on me was the boobs and my personality. I mean I am really not certain which was growing the fastest. my boobs or my emotions. Now my face has improved quite a lot and I have some hips and I ain't complainin none.
   
Hi Tanya

Stares from people I have got use to, they use to stare at me even before I ever started transition. I even got tired of telling them to take a picture, it might last longer.

I feel and think that the only thing that changed since I have transitioned is that the stares are much more softened or more casual then they were before. I get stared at a lot by children and I I don't mind that either. I also attract animals, the little ones especially, even on a city street.   

About the feeling cold I for the past 10 years have become less and less tolerant of the cold. My Soul mate an I were thinking about moving to somewhere in the south US where the climate is more tolerable but some international regulations prevented that so we ended up moving to Vancouver BC. at least where it rarely gets down to freezing in the winter. I don't think my growing intolerance to the cold had anything to do with the hormones though, I believe this intolerance had been going on for some years before I started on the hormones.

Well I don't really about men treating me like a little kid but I do love being treated like a lady, and that is a wonderful difference.

Cindy 

[Tanya1]

Hi Beni

I agree with what you said, from what I have gathered thus far the hormones developed at a different rate and time for some. There are those that get the max from the hormones and some not really that much.

The first two things it affected on me was the boobs and my personality. I mean I am really not certain which was growing the fastest. my boobs or my emotions. Now my face has improved quite a lot and I have some hips and I ain't complainin none.
   
Hi Tanya

Stares from people I have got use to, they use to stare at me even before I ever started transition. I even got tired of telling them to take a picture, it might last longer.

I feel and think that the only thing that changed since I have transitioned is that the stares are much more softened or more casual then they were before. I get stared at a lot by children and I I don't mind that either. I also attract animals, the little ones especially, even on a city street.   

About the feeling cold I for the past 10 years have become less and less tolerant of the cold. My Soul mate an I were thinking about moving to somewhere in the south US where the climate is more tolerable but some international regulations prevented that so we ended up moving to Vancouver BC. at least where it rarely gets down to freezing in the winter. I don't think my growing intolerance to the cold had anything to do with the hormones though, I believe this intolerance had been going on for some years before I started on the hormones.

Well I don't really about men treating me like a little kid but I do love being treated like a lady, and that is a wonderful difference.

Cindy 

Thanks,

IDK, maybe it's just in my head.-But I 'm defiently getting stared down. I'll test this out for 2 more weeks to be more conculsive.

Well I like hot climate- my mood is generally much more vibrant in the summer.

Ohh Beni, thanks for the replying- it helped me understand a lot!

more questions though guys lol

1) if you date women will they notice something is up with your body? hugging you?

2) if they found out how will they react?

3) HRT after only a month has totally killed my sex drive, no joke, I hate sex for some reason. will women leave me if I tell them I don't like to have sex? or at least only once in a while? would they be able to put up only having a intimate relationship w/ just cuddling, kissing?

[shanetastic]

Thanks,

IDK, maybe it's just in my head.-But I 'm defiently getting stared down. I'll test this out for 2 more weeks to be more conculsive.

Well I like hot climate- my mood is generally much more vibrant in the summer.

Ohh Beni, thanks for the replying- it helped me understand a lot!

more questions though guys lol

1) if you date women will they notice something is up with your body? hugging you?

2) if they found out how will they react?

3) HRT after only a month has totally killed my sex drive, no joke, I hate sex for some reason. will women leave me if I tell them I don't like to have sex? or at least only once in a while? would they be able to put up only having a intimate relationship w/ just cuddling, kissing?

Hehe I don't date right now for that reason. . . as for friends hugging and stuff, eventually they'll notice, but you can get away with it for a couple months probably before they'll catch on.  I'm not too sure on the reaction yet, I'll let you know if anyone I'm not out to catches on here.  As for the sex drive, that's another reason for the not dating.  It all comes down to personality of the person your dating really, so if you find someone make sure to discuss it with them. 

[Rachael]

what do you mean about hugging? whats to notice?
and in terms of sex drive, i went from none, to being quite interested in boys...
R

[shanetastic]

what do you mean about hugging? whats to notice?
R

Those things on your chest

[Rachael]

yah, breasts? so?
R

[Kat]

you are probably more likely to notice it than them, as when you get hugged it can hurt 

still hurts when people hug me actually lol.

[shanetastic]

yah, breasts? so?
R

The people your not out to but still see once in a while. . . You know when you hug them bye and stuff like that.  At least that's what I got from Tanya's post.  Not to mention it hurts when people hug you for us "young one's" still.

Posted on: October 21, 2007, 06:20:16 PM

you are probably more likely to notice it than them, as when you get hugged it can hurt 

still hurts when people hug me actually lol.

Haha and you typed that at the exact same time as me Kat. 

[Kat]

Haha and you typed that at the exact same time as me Kat. 

Soar boobies think alike

[daisybelle]

Kat your avatar is cute...

Daisy

[Berliegh]

i dont think her comments were meant to offend, im certainly not...
tho theres a big trend in the transcommunity to not accept unpassability exists... its 'offensive' to tell someone they look male when presenting female. sadly the applied hear no evil, see no evil method doesnt really work...
R

I agree.....


Posted on: October 21, 2007, 07:33:03 PM

While I would never set myself to be an arbitrer of passability, since I don't really care either way since its not my life, I do think that there is a big taboo about at least stating our honest opinion about a person's passability (its arrogant if we state that this opinion is universal; it may well be if nobody ever tells a person the truth, or she's not ready to accept it).

One thing that's certain. What's seen as "looking like men" to us, may be perceived differently by non trans, especially in outside trans hotspots. There, it may simply be seen as being unattractive. Many women with "manly" traits exist and they are seen as not attractive, but still women.

...another very good post...

[cindybc]

Hi, Shanetastic,

I never dated since transitioning, I just had my Soul Mate walk into my life and it just happens that neither of us were interested in physical sex with neither women or men. Intimacy yes, this was what I was most interested in, as well as she. Actually, all previous relationships didn't work out too well because to a greater extent they needed  and wanted more then just intimacy.

So I just never bothered trying to get involved in another relationship until some years later when I met my Soul Mate *in this group.* I also have another good friend on Long Island, a GG, we share what one could call a synergy. She was a great mentor I could go to when ever I was in need of one.

Even though I wish I would have started this journey sooner I am happy that at least I didn't' miss the bus. As for friends knowing something is different about you, I believe if they are in any way attuned at all, then it is quite possible they will know a difference. They could feel or notice a difference, maybe body language, maybe facial expressions, and other changes such as one's personality, also by how one expresses themselves. These are all characteristics that may be noticed however subtle the changes might be. All these changes are inevitable as you evolve further into being who you truly are, intentionally or not? I  believe there is only one choice if you are truly TS and that is inevitably it's do or die.

Cindy

[Rachael]

oh right, not out, uh, well ones that knew me before, im out to, others, im just a girl... so i dont have that issue,
hey, trust me, when you crush em, they still scream in plain even when thier grown...
R

[shanetastic]

Hi, Shanetastic,

I never dated since transitioning, I just had my Soul Mate walk into my life and it just happens that neither of us were interested in physical sex with neither women or men. Intimacy yes, this was what I was most interested in, as well as she. Actually, all previous relationships didn't work out too well because to a greater extent they needed  and wanted more then just intimacy.

So I just never bothered trying to get involved in another relationship until some years later when I met my Soul Mate *in this group.* I also have another good friend on Long Island, a GG, we share what one could call a synergy. She was a great mentor I could go to when ever I was in need of one.

Even though I wish I would have started this journey sooner I am happy that at least I didn't' miss the bus. As for friends knowing something is different about you, I believe if they are in any way attuned at all, then it is quite possible they will know a difference. They could feel or notice a difference, maybe body language, maybe facial expressions, and other changes such as one's personality, also by how one expresses themselves. These are all characteristics that may be noticed however subtle the changes might be. All these changes are inevitable as you evolve further into being who you truly are, intentionally or not? I  believe there is only one choice if you are truly TS and that is inevitably it's do or die.

Cindy

Hey Cindy,

That post was really interesting, so thank you for sharing it.   For the time being for myself, I'm just not content with my body in order to start dating, so that's another reason why I wouldn't think of doing it right now.  I'm always open for someone new to be a friend, although right now it's my like right inbetween stages, so I have to be careful in new friends that I make.  Most people that I'm around have already noticed some subtle personality changes, but for the most part I don't think they'll pick up on it because my physical changes are still minimal. 

As for my friends, most of them are off in college, and the only one that is still living here has sort of noticed a shift in myself, somehow, so we are't talking too much right now because we don't have much in common.  I only have three friends to come out to, so right now I'm still stuck deciding on when and how to come out to them.  I have a couple months since I won't see them until December, but that doesn't mean I should procrastinate I know. 

[cindybc]

Hi Shanetastic

Well only you will know when the time has come for you to introduce yourself to the rest of the world as yourself, but from what I gather you are already well on the way into transitioning. When I came out there was little options available, and if you are young don't get in to much of a rush. Let yourself grow into it spiritually and mentally as well as the physical progress.

For me an elder person it came to either go full time or end my life, no middle road in this game so I decided on the former decision which sounded much more appealing to me then a Manila Hemp tie.

I really don't know your age but when you are younger, coming out is still a choice of yes or no but  only temporarily. As for me in time it becomes more part of the survival instinct.

Cindy