Quote from: Laura_7 on March 17, 2016, 01:55:46 PM
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Quote from OP:
He's very adament that he does not want to go to any transgender support groups.
I don't know how I feel about that. He tends to be very triggered by the topic and I worry it may push him too hard. But on the other hand there have been some transgender people who have helped him a lot. Most of the transgender people who supported him in his transition were MTF, he finds that he tends to relate better to them than FTM people, which I find strange.
I have seen some FTM people sometimes being a bit rough when amongst themselves ... idk maybe some kind of competing behaviour ... often if there are women present it mellows the atmosphere ...
it also simply depends on the group. Its well possible there are nice people there and he finds one or two people he can go along with well.
Hello, Lara, Dena, Saison, and Emileeeee,
I'd like to point out, what you are observing WRT FTMs being rough amongst themselves? You just described men's spaces, period. It's how men are, really. We live in a very feminized, woman-friendly society, so you don't get to see much of "men being men" any more, because - as you mentioned - they act differently when women are present. Gentlemen don't offend the tender little girls.... (Even thugs are more genteel, BTW. Thuggish behavior attracts women for the "alpha" characteristics, but excessive thuggery makes women run and hide - it indicates violence beneath the surface, and she might become the target... But men need that sort of capacity for violence, or they can't protect their tribe.)
Dena also nailed it here:
Quote from: Dena on March 17, 2016, 04:53:28 PM
Binary or not, most of us receive a good deal of emotional damage before we transition. It's something like PTSD in that is last even after the source of the discomfort is gone. The only way this can be addressed is in therapy and that means the therapist will have to be more aggressive or he will have to open up more and face it. When that happens, it will be rough on everybody but it will end it once and for all.
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Using myself as an example: Mom was a neurotic, manipulative type, either a helicopter "involved in every detail" or absent. Dad was either absent or the Authoritarian Disciplinarian. BY THEMSELVES, these are destructive behaviors. Add in some neglect, an abusive school (assaulted, a ruptured testicle before I graduated grade school)... And then, as an adult, dad tells me the reason I turned out so badly is I didn't get hit enough? Went too far away for college, so I didn't get parental guidance?
Now add in that I'm MTF... And that my sister (adopted, mind) had every little need tended to by my dad...
I'd be a mess even if I DIDN'T have the T* issues. PTSD, learned helplessness, low self-esteem, etc, etc, etc.
The fewer issues going in, the less damage to repair or ameliorate.
It sounds like Saison's boyfriend has about as much damage as I do... For comparison, read about Norah Vincent's "self made man" book. She ended up almost having a nervous breakdown afterwards, because she'd been pretending to be a man, and live up to the male ideals. I.E, there is no double standard, no "male privilege." There are two different standards, one for men, one for women. Women are expected to strive for X, men to strive for Y, and we belittle those who don't meet the standards. And while women's acceptable roles have (sort of) grown (Stay At Home Mom is now denigrated in some circles - WTF, most important role in the world is MOTHER), men's acceptable roles have in fact SHRUNK. Breadwinner, Alpha Male, but ONLY so far alpha as women allow.

Still better support her, care for her, be there for her, but she's a strong, independent woman who don't need no man - until there's work to be done...

Anyway: Saison's BF has set himself up for some rough times, and - based on the comment
Quote from: Saison Marguerite on March 17, 2016, 01:27:18 PM
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Most of the transgender people who supported him in his transition were MTF, he finds that he tends to relate better to them than FTM people, which I find strange. I will let him know that you have offered to talk to him and see if he is open to the idea.
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He is a Masculine energy; he wants a complement, and Feminine energy will give that complement. Further, tho9ugh different, there are shared struggles, so I'm not in the least surprised he as an FTM would see a complement in the feminine MTF energies. It's the same thing as the "male only spaces" above, in reverse: Men also want time with women, but women need to understand, just as they put on a show for the boys (makeup, fancy dress, heels, push-up bra) - men do the same with women. It's the other half of the game, but it's still the same game. Think White and Black in Chess. Can't play chess without the other half... But it takes energy, right? Choosing the dress, the lingerie, the perfume, the look for the makeup, then making a flawless execution so he's enthralled...? Men do something analogous, except for men - it takes on the nature of accomplishments, hard work, victories (and defeats along the way, which aren't spoken of to women.)
You're turned on by his pecs, or abs, or deltoids, or arms? That didn't take a few hours of selection, like your outfit. That took years of work, of dedication, effort, working though injuries, playing sports, winning, losing, early mornings and late nights... And it didn't happen in a vacuum, he was also tending to his studies, building relationships, and learning other skills to make him valuable. Like your diet, if you're watching your figure? Has to be a part of you. You watch portion sizes all the time; determine right foods to eat, avoiding your favorite Starbuck's Lattes for a black coffee, skipping the birthday cake and ice cream, eating a salad instead of the bacon cheeseburger... It's a way of life. And he is doing the complementary tasks, which for example, INCLUDES eating that cheeseburger - which he's going to burn off with an hour or three in the gym, building the strength to protect you if the need arises. Building the mental discipline to work 60 hours a week, so he can get the promotion to get a pay raise and better support his family. He doesn't do it because it's "fun" (though it may be). he does it for the other benefits: The wife's security, her smile, the children's education and health, etc.
It sounds like he needs more feminine energies directed to him, but not necessarily from Saison. It sounds like she's trying to be very supportive, but one person can only go so far, give so much. Therapy would help, and a good push to attend something casual, like a group session, might help. Maybe even take a page from Fight Club, and just attend support groups to attend, get a reality check.
Also, not enough good can be said about exercise, and fighting. If he joins an MMA group, he'll burn off a lot of energy, become more masculine and confident, and bond with other men. I don't see a down side there...
Best of luck! Keep us posted.
-Dianna