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Relationship issues... a desperate cry for guidance

Started by Mermaid, March 17, 2016, 09:03:43 PM

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Mermaid

I feel really lost and clueless right now, and feel like I'm ruining everything with the person I'm with... I normally wouldn't make a post like this, but I'm in a really ->-bleeped-<-ty place now and frankly desperate...

Before my transition, years ago, I met a wonderful guy online. He lives in a different country, but we wound up developing feelings and jumped into a relationship. It lasted close to two years, but I was really unstable then... my dysphoria and my depression made me unstable, unreliable, and I wound up hurting my partner... I constantly stressed him out because of my issues and dragged him down with me, until he could take no more and broke up...

A few months after the break-up we rekindled contact and developed a close friendship. Pretty much best friends... we spoke everyday and told everything to each other, we always were very co-dependent and relied on each other for support... This went on for close to two years again. I went on to date other people in real life and he found someone online to explore his sexuality with. I don't know if it's worth adding or not, but he's a bit withdrawn socially, he has a diagnosis for PTSD, and I suppose he felt more comfortable seeking people on the internet...

This messed with my head. Tremendously. Despite the fact that I was dating other people, the idea that someone else might be the object of his desire made me insanely jealous and excruciatingly mad. This caused me to be mean to him, on several occasions. I was mean because of our context... we weren't just friends, we came from a romantic background, and even as just friends we exchanged a lot of affection, gave each other attention, I don't think for one second that it was all completely innocent... so I felt weird.

The fact that I was mean made him begin to hide things from me. He'd not show as online whenever he talked to this other person, he lied about going to bed, but it was all an act for whenever he wanted to do stuff with her... and this hurt me tremendously. The security I felt just disappeared...
He said he did all of it to "protect me", to "shield me" from things that might have hurt me... but to be honest, I never want to be shielded from the truth, I'd rather have been set free. That wasn't the case though, so we constantly clashed, there was a lot of tension between us, we argued all the time, said mean things to each other... until it was over. It was a living nightmare, I cried countless times, I was always stressed and feeling so worthless...
In October last year, we parted ways. For good, I thought. I went on with my life, meeting and dating other people...

Then, around last Christmas, he reached out to me with a message wishing me happy holidays. We chatted for a little while and it felt great... we know each other very well, there's a unique chemistry that I don't have with anyone else, we can make fun of things and each other, be politically incorrect with none of us taking offense...
It felt good, but the problem was... "hadn't we agreed to stop talking? It can never work with us, we can't be around each other"...
We took it easy, decided to give it a shot again, and rekindled contact. This time a bit more personally, with calls and my webcam involved...
I didn't know if I could do it, or if I would last long... obviously I have issues seeing him with anyone else... then one night, unexpectedly, he made a move on me, and we ended up getting sexual. And again later. And once more... In a short time, our calls went from lasting an hour to lasting 4, 5, 6 hours... And, suddenly, we're in a relationship again.

It reached a point where for it to be viable, we had to focus on each other... so I broke up with the guy I'd been seeing in real life. It wasn't a serious relationship, it wasn't really a boyfriend, just someone I was seeing... And, he told his online tramp (it's hard to think of a nice adjective) that it was over aswell, because he'd gotten with someone.
His relationship had supposedly never been romantic... It was sexual from my understanding, D/s to be specific (I hope I don't have to explain), and in addition to spending time online with my current boyfriend, she was married and had at least one other guy that I knew of. So... not someone you'd make many plans with or take very seriously if you're sane.

So yeah, we began dating, we get along wonderfully, we plan to meet up in real life soon, now that our lives are more organized than they were 4 years ago, but, even though it all points towards the possibility of me experiencing a fairy tale once we're together, I still have reoccurring bad feelings. About last year, about him having omitted things from me, regardless if he was trying to protect me or not, about him having made me feel worthless and disposable... So, I told him ceasing contact with that person wasn't enough. That I felt uncomfortable that they might still be on his Skype contact list... and he interpreted it as me not trusting him, as me going back to the past, starting a jealous ->-bleeped-<-storm, and we argued over it... yesterday, then today again...

I trust him. I don't think he could hurt me. He's really dedicated and spoils me in every way he can... we talk for hours everyday, he's very sensitive and caring... But, I get scared. Sometimes my mind just panics. I don't really see him hurting me now, but I'm afraid of what could happen in the future, maybe. I'm afraid of change, I'm afraid of experiencing bad things again, I'm afraid of feelings changing... and it's all because of having gone through hell last year. This guy is great to me, yet I'm hung up on past fears because of the baggage I'm unwillingly carrying over... I want to have blind faith in us, in him, but I'm not sure of what he needs to do, what I need to have, for that to happen. I get unstable and it's detrimental to our relationship...
I don't want to feel resentment towards our past, I don't want it to affect me in any way... I want to be here, in the present, with the guy who said he loves me and who acts like it every single day... His openness about what he was doing last year shows me he's over it and that he's not defensive about it anymore, that I'm all that matters. I feel that, but sometimes I can't help feeling angry... and it's for nothing he does, it's all because of our falling out last year...

Am I crazy? Do I have issues? I feel like I trust him, the notion of him doing anything that might hurt me seems unreal. But, he did hurt me before... he didn't owe me anything then, we were just friends and he was just moving on with his life after our first attempt at a relationship failed... Yet I couldn't cope or be around that...

How do I get over it? Does time heal it? Is my trust in a great guy maybe a little broken and needs to be rebuilt before I can fully feel confident and okay? I hate how angry I get sometimes. What's reasonable of me to ask of him? How can I feel safe and secure again? I'm afraid of being too proud, too petty to let it go, and just holding the past against him forever and not allowing us to have a fair shot at happiness...
He agreed to block and remove people from his Skype if their existence there made me feel bad, though he's skeptical about that truly making my problem go away... he thinks it might be something "deeper" in me... And, how do I even know if he truly blocked and removed them? I don't "need" evidence from my boyfriend, he's a good guy, but I am plagued with fears that come from out of nowhere. How do I know he wouldn't add them again later? You see where it's going? I don't want to be suspicious of someone that I feel is trustworthy... I don't want to make him uncomfortable or alienated by my unreasonable and stupid fears... but I can't just push them away on my own either...

Something has to change for me to feel okay and I don't know what...

Please help...
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lee.roy1.5872

Don't let your relationship be the definition of who you are. Alone time is ok too. Never say never to anything. Its always possible to go back at some point when your both ready.

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Laura_7


Well you seem to go along well ...
can you talk about really deep feelings with each other ?
Like your fears, and emotions ... openly ?

It could bring you closer together ...
not as allegations but simply telling the own emotions ...

there are setups for pairs to do that...
like once a week everyone has ten minutes to say what they felt hurt them last week...
and also what they liked...

another possibility would be pair therapy ...


*hugs*
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Mallory

It sounds to me like you're having a fairly hard time with being in limbo with him. By that I mean you may have a long distance relationship, but your subconscious is trying to tell you that it's just not enough. You two have been playing at online romance for years now but have never met face to face for whatever reason and there's a lot of built up tension because of it.

My suggestion? Meet him. Go to dinner. Truly connect with one another so you alleviate those fears and all of that tension. If it works out then magnificent! If it doesn't then you know you have a friend that you can at least talk to.

Carpe diem.



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stephaniec

I'd say given your experience with him at this point the only way to solve your dilemma is to take the leap and go for it. The worst that can happen  you've already been there.
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RobynD

#5
I think sometimes we hold on to people too hard and expect them to exclude all others. There is a beautiful romantic notion in all of that but in reality people are not very wired for it. The best thing that people can do, is to be with each other a lot and since your relationship is still long distance, that makes it harder.

When you are physically present with one another then excluding others becomes much easier as to does continuing to develop the bonds between you. Those change over time too but the commitment and presence with another remains.

My advice from the basic information provided, is to trust your intuition. If you feel like your are gripping too tightly you probably are. The next advice is to get into each others presence to make this thing work.


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Mermaid

Thanks so much to all of you who tried to help =)

I think Mallory might have gotten it right... With the being "in limbo" thing. I don't really feel like I'm "in limbo" most of the time because I enjoy every second of the time I spend with him and everything we do, but yeah... Maybe there's that subconscious desire for his presence, a yearning to be close... then, the fact that I can't at this point in time, builds frustration unbeknownst to me, that I end up releasing through these outlets... these "issues" that probably aren't even real issues. It's just me kicking and squirming about something being wrong when nothing's wrong, only the absence of his touch...

I don't rule out the possibility that some of my feelings might have had some legitimacy for existing, but I was definitely blowing stuff waaaay out of proportion. I sort of just distanced myself from whatever I was feeling, tried to be reasonable about it and then slapped myself in the face for what I was doing to both me and this guy.

We're fine and I feel okay now. Life really is too short to be getting stressed over nothing.
I'll try to just take what's given to me, appreciate it the best I can, give back and attempt to take good care of him. He really deserves it. =)
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Mallory

Quote from: Mermaid on March 21, 2016, 06:17:38 PM
Thanks so much to all of you who tried to help =)

I think Mallory might have gotten it right... With the being "in limbo" thing. I don't really feel like I'm "in limbo" most of the time because I enjoy every second of the time I spend with him and everything we do, but yeah... Maybe there's that subconscious desire for his presence, a yearning to be close... then, the fact that I can't at this point in time, builds frustration unbeknownst to me, that I end up releasing through these outlets... these "issues" that probably aren't even real issues. It's just me kicking and squirming about something being wrong when nothing's wrong, only the absence of his touch...

I don't rule out the possibility that some of my feelings might have had some legitimacy for existing, but I was definitely blowing stuff waaaay out of proportion. I sort of just distanced myself from whatever I was feeling, tried to be reasonable about it and then slapped myself in the face for what I was doing to both me and this guy.

We're fine and I feel okay now. Life really is too short to be getting stressed over nothing.
I'll try to just take what's given to me, appreciate it the best I can, give back and attempt to take good care of him. He really deserves it. =)

Sounds like you have it figured out, and I'm glad. :)  And yup, think you're beginning to understand the gist of it all.  Trust me, I can relate.  Normally I'm incredibly centered, logical, caring, empathetic, the whole lot of generally good characteristics and a few flaws thrown in for good measure.  However, when I feel that something is wrong whether it be consciously or subconsciously I tend to lose my mind.  I'll share an example.

Two years ago my second wife left me, took the kids, and remarried within 3 months not more than 24 hours after the divorce was finalized.  Shattered my entire world.  Fast forward 6 months and she's one of my best friends.  We talk almost every day.  My dad passes, I fly home, she meets me with the kids, and we reconnect like you wouldn't believe.

She tells me she's not happy with her husband, they aren't sleeping in the same room, she misses me, and so on.  I accept her apology for outright abandoning me and agree to give things a second chance.  Keep in mind that I'm emotionally compromised from the death of my father.  Not even a month later after I've flown back across the US am I losing my mind.  Something is definitely not right.  She's still living in the same house with him, with my children, with him playing daddy. 

It's safe to say that I completely ruined my relationship with her because I knew it wasn't right for me.  She did things to me that I could never forget, but that I could forgive and every second of her being in that house with him was utter torment.  I could barely focus at work, I was binge drinking every day, things were going south in a hurry.  Things didn't improve until I walked away from her and the situation and decided to concentrate on me.  And that's what kick started my transition January 2015. 

Long story, I know, but the truth and moral of it all is that our minds are incredibly powerful things and we should always listen to our intuition.  If it feels wrong then it is and it's going to continue to be wrong until you or someone else decides to fix it.

I wish you and him the best of luck!  I really hope to hear soon that you two have met and everything is fantastic!  You're absolutely beautiful, and although you say he deserves to be cared for and happiness always remember that you do too. :)
Carpe diem.



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ShotGal

I admit I didn't read every word... but got enough to get a sense of things.  Online is tough as there are many games and fantasy seekers.  That being said, I met my husband online and we've been married now for 16 years.  The good part is you can use online communication to screen out scary people and ones you're just not interested in.  If you're inclined to avoid "->-bleeped-<-s" - (assuming you're being upfront about your own TSity) it's a good way to go.  If you're interested in those who have gender variant traits it's also a good place to vet them before agreeing to meet.  You can still be fooled online though so do your homework before meeting people IRL.

Ultimately though, you do have to actually meet genuine people in the real world.  Guess what I'm saying is don't waste too much energy or emotion on "virtual relationships" if you're interested in something more than just being online.  For your specific case it really sounds like neither one of you have the full picture of what the other is thinking or doing.  I'd say try for better communication, and throw out the unnecessary baggage rather than pile it all up in the middle of the room and wait for someone to trip!  What is his goal in 1 year?  Yours?  5 year goals?  Or is it more of a right now, online, kind of thing?
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Mermaid

Thanks for sharing your story, Mallory, I'm really sorry for what you had to go through... I can't imagine what that must have felt like... I'd probably not have kept it together...

What I'm about to say isn't really related to the guy I'm with, but is just sort of a general thing with me... I think I might feel more comfortable and stable when I don't care much about anyone. In a sense, I think my brain might have become wired in a way that if something starts to stress me out too much, my mind completely shuts it off and represses it.
I grew up in a messed up household... I don't want to spend much time elaborating, but I never really had much stability. My mom's an alcoholic, addicted to hypnotic pills, suffers from depression, etc.... I've acted as her caregiver many times, she always put her needs before mine and I was her only emotional support for years. My dad's always been a distant figure, he abandoned us last year, and makes no attempt to communicate... He just disappeared, ran away... we recently lost our house (this is the second house we lose in my lifetime). My parents never had many reservations in using whatever money I had to pay off their bills, due to their their financial instability... My mom has also always been crazy, for years there have been occasions where I would be thrown on the street in the middle of the night for no apparent reason (I'd literally be in my bed, then suddenly at ridiculous hours in the morning, I'd start getting yelled at and forced out the door)...

It's really hard for me to know who I can trust. Surely not my family... I also don't like caring for people... I really don't, and if I could help it, I wouldn't care for anyone at all... because the only reason anyone gets hurt by something, is because they care enough to get hurt... You wouldn't have gone through the experience you did if you didn't care for the people involved. I realize I'm being very idealistic, I get that it's impossible to like people and at the same time not care about them.

I am blessed to have decent friends, so it's painful to admit, but I'm often paranoid and suspicious of people's motives and doubt their good intentions. I've even been paranoid about the doctors handling my transition, etc... I don't want to get too Freudian, but when I'm out, I have a tendency to every so often make sure I didn't forget anything behind, constantly checking if I have my phone and my wallet, if they didn't fall out of my jacket somewhere...
Sometimes, even when things are okay and everyone's happy, and I'm walking past my mom, if she says something loud or that I'm not expecting, or if she makes a sudden move, it can startle me enough for my instinct to be flinching and covering my face... I don't need to explain why...

Sometimes I wish for a figure in my life that I felt like I could completely depend on and feel safe with. A person who I was sure wouldn't hurt me or act crazy... Who'd put my needs alongside their own. I've always relied on the wrong people. I'm socially withdrawn but there have been instances when I opened up to people too easily or too quickly, and I think that the reason I did, is because I wanted to have someone to trust... but, I think I might have really bad intuition and sort of tended to always put my faith on the wrong people, lol...

Sorry if I wrote too much, just wanted to contextualize my life a little, because maybe this side of me influenced the problem that I was having too, I'm not sure. =(
I hope it didn't come off as too depressing, or pitiful. Day to day I'm just fine, I have fun and laugh plenty, I don't really dwell on what I just described. It's just sort of "there", life goes on and none of this matters.

Sorry for rambling, and thanks for your warm wishes at the end of your post! I hope everything goes well for you too, with your transition and with whatever other goals you pursue! =)
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