Things cis people do that hurt me everyday

[Dee Marshall]

That's a doubly annoying thing as they're belittling furries AND trans people! "Who would want to be a CAT right??"

I also hear a lot of people commenting on how birds and tigers aren't homosexual or transgender. But they don't have a social construction of gender... and hundreds of animal species exhibit homosexual activity. Besides, birds and monkeys don't do art, literature, philosophy, science, technology, religion... People don't like to think of themselves as simple animals (unless they're furries ) until they can use 'biology' (as they learned it in highschool) to tear down someone else.

Tell that to anyone in my animal behavior class in college. We took a field trip to the Bronx Zoo where we observed two male lions having sex. Hmmph! No homosexual behavior indeed!

[AnxietyDisord3r]

Biologists just blatantly redefine two male mammals humping as "dominance behavior" and therefore of no relevance to the "perv" humans who do the same thing.

[Dee Marshall]

Do you know any gay men? Of course it's dominance behavior! it's also sex.

[arice]

Biologists just blatantly redefine two male mammals humping as "dominance behavior" and therefore of no relevance to the "perv" humans who do the same thing.

In my experience, very few biologists still claim that it isn't "mating/sexual" behaviour... they may still argue the evolutionary significance of it... but they tend to accept the behaviour... granted, I'm not a zoologist but I do know quite a few.

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[Kylo]

...comments like this are less than helpful. I'm a crossdresser, not a furrie, but I don't have to go far around here to find someone labeling me as a fetishist. So how about we all stop it with the "fetish" label?

Thanks, I know you will.

Hugs, Devlyn

Well I didn't say "cross-dresser". But some of that furry stuff can be defined as a fetish. Some of it can, yes. Not all of it, but some of it. And I don't assign a negative label to fetishes, myself. I meant in the context of our serious struggles as trans people, the wearing of fursuits does not concern us as a trans issue.

I didn't insult anybody here. Are you saying that people who wear fursuits have the same problems that trans people have politically, legally and socially?

[Devlyn]

...comments like this are less than helpful. I'm a crossdresser, not a furrie, but I don't have to go far around here to find someone labeling me as a fetishist. So how about we all stop it with the "fetish" label?

Thanks, I know you will.

Hugs, Devlyn

Well I didn't say "cross-dresser".

I didn't insult anybody here. Are you saying that people who wear fursuits have the same problems that trans people have politically, legally and socially?

I'm saying don't announce that some individual or group has a fetish if you have no reason to make that assumption.

[Devlyn]

Also, it's hard to reply when you keep editing your post...

[Kylo]

I'm saying don't announce that some individual or group has a fetish if you have no reason to make that assumption.

But certain aspects of the furry subculture are sexualized / fetish-related and they even have a name for it within the subculture. I'm not making the assumption without having encountered evidence of it.

Which is why I said the furry fandom is often a hobby, a LARP, or a fetish related activity. Not implying ALL of furry fandom is sexual or fetish, but that some of it is, and the other half of my statement was referring to furry fandom as something people do for leisure, separating it from the state of being trans, which is not for leisure.

[AnxietyDisord3r]

Having known some furries, there's a 24/7 aspect to it that you're discounting. That said, I believe people come to furry fandom via a number of different paths. Some people just like to LARP and they shouldn't be shamed/ridiculed/doxxed for that. Nor should someone face this kind of attack over a fetish that hurts nobody.

[jossam]

I agree that other types of assumptions like being unemployed just cant be and arent the same thing as being misgendered. It's really different. I am a pretty emotionally strong individual. I say so. Psychologists told me so. I deal with a lot of ->-bleeped-<- on my life still.....nothing hurts me as much as misgendering does. I was called mentally ill (for other reasons not trans related), I was called drug addict, I was called alcoholic, I was called selfish, I was called many things. Yet beimg called "woman" hurts me more than anything else.
It gets tiring when you live in a world that erases your existence or dismisses it as either mental illness or perversion....or confusion, maybe the "nicest insult" among transphobic insults.

The "animal trapped in human body" jokes or even worse, the "toaster claiming it is a tv" or other bs like that really piss me off. So much ignorance.

I don't believe a human can belong to another species. Still, I am ready to change my mind if it can actually happen.

I don't mind otherkin/furries as long as they don't compare themselves to us. Anyway I think everyone should be free to do and wear whatever they want. I respect their feelings. I don't know much about them but really, whatever, who am I to judge what they do?

Regarding fetishes...there are fetishes of all kinds, sexual or not. I am ok with them all. Again, as long as they don't hurt anyone they can do whatever they want to. If someone is attracted to furniture, or cars or animals or whatever, then I accept them with open arms. I don't see why I should care what people do with their own private lives.

A few times on tv I saw people going through extreme surgeries and makeup stuff to look like animals. I saw cat man and lizard man. I admire how brave these people are....going through many particular, extreme body surgeries to look like that particular animal. I admire them because they were brave enough to show themselves to the world and do whatever they want to with their bodies. As long as they don't hurt anybody it really doesn't matter.
I have no idea why exactly they do it or if it has anything to do with feeling like those animals. Talking to someone like that is something I would find super interesting though.

[jossam]

Someone (sorry, forgot your username) said many cis people think gender identity is automatically formed when kids learn the extremely cissexist notion that penis = boy / vagina = girl and that's it. I am glad someone else noticed this trend too. I don't understand whether those people are genuinely this ignorant or they're just saying stuff to attack us trans folks. Anyway. Yes it's an extremely false notion. My family taught me body parts and about my genitals and the boy/girl stuff, yet I am trans. I think there is just so much proof being transsexual or just generally transgender is innate, yet people find it so hard to accept. Some of us have memories of our situation since early years of life. Some don''t, because they just realized or admitted this later. I remember being in preschool and already knowing I was a "guy forced to be a girl". I had no idea it was a real thing and that other people experience this too. I had no idea the term and concept of transsexuality existed. I just knew deep inside that I was a boy in a wrong body.
As a teen I felt like the homosexual label was wrong. It made me cringe because I knew I wasn't a girl who liked girls. I knew I was supposed to be seen as a boy who liked girls. But my words were confused, I didn't know all the terms and things I know now. Now I can express myself correctly and very well. The more I grow up the more I know I am a man. And I get more confident. And while I was scared or even skeptical about transition I now know for a fact it is my only option. I wasn't very educated about it. I now know I can have the body I have always desired! (Flat chest, more hairy, bigger etc)
And I'm going to do whatever it takes to achieve that result. It is my main goal in life together woth marrying and living a happy life with my girlfriend (one of the greatest supporters of trans people of all kinds, a great cis ally).
Another thing that pisses me off is people assuming she's lesbian. She makes it very clear she is straight and likes me as a man and doesn't see me as anything else. This "women who date trans men are lesbians / men who date trans women are gay" bs needs to stop. It's another extremely annoying and transphobic thing because it invalidates our actual genders.
Similarly, I am not just a homosexual (I am actually mostly straight - which implies some level of bisexuality). I wish people just stopped doing this. I had a therapist insisting it's still homosexuality. I dumped her.

[Zoetrope]

*tilts head*

woof?