Sexual Relation

princessKisses · June 15, 2016, 12:17:53 PM

There is a verse in the bible that having a sexual relation with another man is a sin. What is your opinion about this?

Raye · June 15, 2016, 12:43:45 PM

To be honest, I don't believe it says anything about a woman doing the same to another either! LOL
But I am rather blurry when it comes to myself and the Good Book at times. It does speak of crossdressing men playing such roles, but there's literally nothing that speaks of Intersex, Transgender, and Pansexuals in the Bible as far as I know. And I fall into all three of those later mentions of categories. But I do know that even if you are Gay or whatever I highly doubt any of us are going to Hell. We're all going to be reborn again upon death so says my pastor. But if you think about it... This is biological and it's really not our fault being who we are. So even hypothetically speaking, if you can't live a life in happiness because you don't want to be alone and/or don't wish to burn in Hell for all eternity.. Then fighting those urges to not accept who you are won't make it any easier on yourself. Both in mind, body, and soul would be ultimately torn asunder for eternity. And all you are is attracted to Males, well I can't say that's your fault. On the other hand if sexual orientation or attraction has nothing to do with it and there's no love in the relationship, now that I can see. But hell not all sex is for love either so I don't know what really much to say.

princessKisses · June 15, 2016, 01:01:40 PM

So you believe in reincarnation?
Im wondering because it was point out in the forbiden sexual practices. Since i am attracted to boys only, so no girls for me, i feel that its ok to dress and take hormones and live as a girl but a sex is a no no. And im kinda worried cause im having the needs sometimes to do it. Afraid that the Lord GOD despises me for that..

Raye · June 15, 2016, 01:47:12 PM

I believe in reincarnation to an extent... But what I'm talking about being born again in the eyes of the lord within going to, which ever place he sees fit usually means Heaven from what the Pastor recollects. Although, I have a hard time not passing out during his sermons from time to time. I really work long work weeks and typically get about 2-4 hours a sleep a day. And by no means am I fully knowledgeable in this Theology nor am I a Psychologist. I'm simply a hard worker that's all. I do know the bible speaks briefly of mental illnesses to an extent, but what we have in my honest opinion is no where close to being "Mental" or even a curable disorder at that. It's something we all have to accept at one time or another in our life. Meaning, you have to fight your own demons to find out what you want vs. what's going make you remain miserable in your life. I've been down that road multiple times I had attempted suicide multiple times to find out who I truly was. I've come to terms with that peacefully over the last couple of years. I had prayed to God for a miracle to explain who I was and it took so long for him to answer me. And then I found out about those terms and was tested extensively. I won't disclose the number of attempts, but I will say this it is more than enough to last any number of lifetimes. Even attempting once is enough for a lifetime. If you want a more explainable number that you may relate to something like this... Say you live to 100, and you've only tried such a deadly thing once every 10 years... Then that would be at least three lifetimes for me. And I seriously had some mean demons to fight. My mother and my father went through a divorce when they found out I had Asperger's Syndrome and it was too difficult for him to understand. I did well in High School, but I was bullied constantly for my size (height too) and lack of Male Characteristics at the time. I had no morale, mental, or physical support from my family. No one including my immediate family wanted a thing to do with me. My family had no knowledge of any of the aforementioned biological conditions that I found out I had. And I became the Black Dog of the family after all that blew over I managed to get help from friends and co-workers and it made me not think of such terrible stuff. And ever since I graduated HS at 19 I've been on my own since day one. I managed to put myself through college a bit enough to get a decent career, which I eventually left to go back to school for advanced learning. And then some other crappy things happen, but that's a story for another day. I'm only telling you this because by all means do what you want with your life, but no matter how hard it gets don't do what I did regarding fatal choices. The more one denies who they are and tries to prevent them from living life the truly know who they are vs. the life they were born as only makes things more difficult. Then it's just going to hurt that much more when you start tumbling down from Mt. Rainier.

If your a Transgender Individual like myself and beginning to go through Therapy and HRT the choice is all up to you. I know a handful that choose not to go into HRT - mostly FTM's because simply top surgery is enough for them. But believe me I use to do a lot of roofing. I use to be able to free lift 250 lbs for God's sake it was extremely hard, but self-rewarding work. But it only masked my true identity to appear more Male than I'd like to have been. But key thing is you are a Trans Woman, you may have a Male Member, but your brain is certainly not Male by any means if that is truly how you feel about yourself. If I had not undergone HRT I seriously doubt I would be here today. It's helped me become more in line with who I truly am and will always be. Yeah, there are some things I hate about my body, but so what it shouldn't matter any way. It's who you are and you only live once so you might as well make it yours and be happy! That quote actually came from my PCP Dr. White pretty cool dude in Dickson, TN. You obviously can't be a man if your seriously thinking about all this stuff. On a side note most people don't believe in him. So if he isn't real then it still won't change my thought-core beliefs on having a happy after life at all. I mean heck if ghosts and specters exist then why can't an after life exist as well?

There was a person who I once posted a long time ago she gave me some excellent advice to go for. So if she's still around I'm doing A-Oh-Kay.

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Also Jesus loves everybody as far as I know. Many claimed he ate supper with many prostitutes and thieves and healed the injured who were gay quite a bit of times. And they also say something about him being a Mortal Rendition of God himself. So I can't see why we would go to Hell for being who we truly are. And with that last side note I need to head to sleep. I've gotta YouTube Video to work on editing for upload and am going to need sleep. It's been pretty hard on me to get sleep for the last two months now.

Don't give up a thing to be happy just remember that.
Take it easy and keep on Scape'n! <--- Not really sure if that's a common upbeat term here on this site. But oh well might as well use it here too! ^^ BTW that's a Runescape Phrase. Like never quit RS and play for endless joy?!

princessKisses · June 15, 2016, 06:47:37 PM

Im very sorry for what you have been through.. It must have been a very dark moment those days in the past, but please dont give up your family. I almost had same experience because the time when i admitted to my mom that i want to be a woman, she despised me for it. I did not get her point because ever since she was a child she has gay friends who works at parlor and crossdress. But thats all things in the past. We are ok now and she supports me now in every way.
Regardless about the topic, i feel afraid, as a christian, my pastor always tell me that its the way of the devil to deceive us to think that what we are doing is not a sin. I, personaly, feel so bad about it. In my experience as a transgender, i cant help but feel so afraid and confuse. Sometimes at the birthday party days ago, 3 straight boys were hittiing on me. Saying that i lookl really beautiful and wanted to do a one night stand. I choose one boy cause he is really cute, we did it but i cant help but be afraid on what i have done..

Raye · June 17, 2016, 01:40:54 PM

In my experience, sure one night stands are awesome. But that's not something I'd go about doing... You need something more than of lust. Love, love is what you want. Try and find someone who loves you AS a woman and not a ladyboy of types. Regardless of where you are at in your transition - pre, or current. It doesn't matter your a WOMAN!

YOU know this thick in through if you've tried being a man and it isn't you. Then don't fight it like I SAID it will only make you worse off in the end. Since I've got my medical intervention into transitioning I've felt as if a whole weight was taken from me. And I haven't had any thoughts of going back to something I wasn't meant to live as.

As for my folks I'm slowly re-kindling those flames my old man and step mother accept me for who I am as well as my mother and older brother- younger I'm not so sure. But YES they still call me by the name I was given to me at birth and use male-pronouns. And it does take time to tell them to call me Ashley or Ashe (for short).

princessKisses · June 18, 2016, 12:47:15 AM

Im still pre op but here in the Philippines and i think in thailand too, most straight boys will like you if you are cute or very feminine. They specially love tits. I had a straight BF before, we live in my house. He treated me so much like a girl. But in the end he broke up with me saying he wanted to have a son, he wanted to have his own family. My whole world was destroyed ever since that time.. Thinking that i may not be able to find a straight boy that will love me forever, but they will like me because of lust..

Raye · June 18, 2016, 01:28:52 AM

Lust, Love, kids huh? I dunno I found my love she sees something in me that I don't and I see things in her that she doesn't in herself. I think this relationship is going to be serious right after I get a vehicle. I'm quite considering moving in up in Ohio to live with her if it comes to it. We are both interested in each other and maybe it's because we're both trans, but love is why we're interested in each other not anything to do with lust. I say this because I know you say you want lust, but it won't mean a damn thing unless love is involved and care to be together for the long haul. Adoption is always viable and those who can't commit to start a family is BS. Adoption is the answer when you involve yourself with a Transgender Woman or Man in my OP. I hope you find that kind of love and not lust.

princessKisses · June 18, 2016, 01:41:46 AM

I dont opted for Lust. I also look for a decent ralationship. I am a straight trans girl so i only want a straight boy. Which might be hard to achieve since there will always be a conflict with the straight boys. Yes at first he was saying something in the future like buying his own house with me there and we will adopt. But in the end he must have change his mind knowing he can produce one with a biological born girl.

Raye · June 18, 2016, 02:03:36 AM

Damn I'm really sorry to hear that. I've never gone to the Philippines before, but I do know of it and the condition a lot of the citizens are in a bit. My last landlord was from there and she ended up getting a college education so she could come over to The States. Is it getting better nowadays or about the same? Regarding love just keep out for it you might be surprised about how love usually finds a way to your open heart. I wish you the best of luck on that one!

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princessKisses · June 18, 2016, 03:55:14 AM

Yes a lot of people here are not doing good. Specially in terms of human rights. There are lots of discriminations going on with the LGBT community. Knowing that this country was so influence by religion. roman catholic, christians, muslims etc. saying that GOD created only adam and eve. Not adam and steve. I was a catholic member before but been baptised in a chistian church a month ago. My uncle is the pastor. In my church they all call me by my male birth name and using male pronouns saying that the Lord will heal me as if i have some kind of dreaded disease. I feel so sad, bad and confused about this. Even in a church i feel awfully discriminated and neglected. They say that LGBT will go to the fires of hell. Thats why each time they will invite me to attend sunday service, i just smile. For now i dont attend because i know i will always be mistreated..

Raye · June 19, 2016, 05:48:13 AM

Sounds like you really should move out of that situation. At least somewhere nice than where you are now. There has to be somewhere surely there are some LGBTQ Friendly regions?!

FTMax · June 19, 2016, 06:49:59 PM

Old Testament verses like the one you mention were born of a covenant between God and the Israelites. They had to hold to those terms or be forsaken.

If a rule or law is not repeated between the Old and New testaments, it is no longer necessary to follow it because Jesus's sacrifice took away the need to keep those covenants. Like the whole shellfish thing. Go eat shrimp.

If it is repeated, it is seen as a moral law. Like that you should love your neighbor as yourself. Appears in both, relevant now and then.

Brandon · June 19, 2016, 08:18:02 PM

The Bible does state that homosexuality is wrong in both the Old and New testament, while I do not think that's what God intended its not my place to judge. As far as being trans to me its similar to being intersex its an abnormality and the Bible doesn't say anything about it, I have read the Bible and am very very religious so I would know. I see it as whatever you identify as you or know your self as date the opposite of that because it would come off as very homosexual like. Like I said that's what the Bible says but as I have said as long as you are happy its not my place to pass judgement on you its the man up aboves Job.

princessKisses · June 20, 2016, 05:51:46 AM

So i think theres no room for us in religion and churches because they despise homosexual act like we do. But, i believe Jesus and the Father and the Holy Spirit love us. I can feel it. My sin must be because i am attracted to male and i had love male as my bf but if GOD is the Lord of Love i dont think its a sin too. So confusing..

Brandon · June 20, 2016, 10:09:02 AM

Quote from: princessKisses on June 20, 2016, 05:51:46 AM
So i think theres no room for us in religion and churches because they despise homosexual act like we do. But, i believe Jesus and the Father and the Holy Spirit love us. I can feel it. My sin must be because i am attracted to male and i had love male as my bf but if GOD is the Lord of Love i dont think its a sin too. So confusing..

You do realize being trans or homosexual are 2 different things right? You are not wrong for identifying as female and liking men that qould actually be correct, I think that's why my mom does not make a big deal about what I am attracted to because she more religious than I am and sees homosexuality as wrong and she's known I have had gfs and didn't get mad at. I say if you identify as male date females and vice versa.

Raye · June 20, 2016, 02:44:44 PM

I can agree with that wholeheartedly, but I still doubt Gays are going to Hell to be honest. But the Old/New Testament is something no one will ever forget and never stop cherishing. We've said this multiple times there is nothing wrong with who you are and what you like.

princessKisses · June 20, 2016, 05:48:22 PM

I tried to reason that out. But they say that the devil is tricking my mind to think that i am a girl. They say that GOD dont make mistakes and if He put you in a male body then you should be a boy in general and not girl.

King Malachite · June 20, 2016, 06:22:38 PM

Leviticus 20:13 (KJV)

13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

The above verse is the one you're referring to, right? In that case, my opinions on this are, more or less complicated. I do believe that sex was originally intended for a man and a woman to begin with before the Fall, and I do still believe that is God's ideal. However, I'm not sure if I'd call it sinful. As of right now, I believe that two men, or even two women can be under a covenant, and God would allow for that. I'm just referring to those who identify as a same-gender couple. When you add being transgender, and even biological sexes in the mix, the theological implications can get a bit trickier.

I do not believe being transgender is a sin. As it stands (for me), I personally believe it is a product of the Fall, much like I believe that me having to wear glasses is a product of the Fall as well. There is a specific passage in Exodus that has me considering otherwise, but I need to look into that more before coming to a more concrete conclusion. As a transgender Christian, I personally believe that I must try to live my life out as a godly man. It doesn't always work out like that, but I'm trying. I'm non-transitioning right now, so that makes it harder for me to actually put that out in practice, but spiritually, I at least try. I know that if/when I ever find a wife, I will jump start my transition so I can better live out God's will and reach His ideal for a union as much as I can.

Brandon · June 20, 2016, 09:24:01 PM

Quote from: King Malachite on June 20, 2016, 06:22:38 PM
Leviticus 20:13 (KJV)

13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

The above verse is the one you're referring to, right? In that case, my opinions on this are, more or less complicated. I do believe that sex was originally intended for a man and a woman to begin with before the Fall, and I do still believe that is God's ideal. However, I'm not sure if I'd call it sinful. As of right now, I believe that two men, or even two women can be under a covenant, and God would allow for that. I'm just referring to those who identify as a same-gender couple. When you add being transgender, and even biological sexes in the mix, the theological implications can get a bit trickier.

I do not believe being transgender is a sin. As it stands (for me), I personally believe it is a product of the Fall, much like I believe that me having to wear glasses is a product of the Fall as well. There is a specific passage in Exodus that has me considering otherwise, but I need to look into that more before coming to a more concrete conclusion. As a transgender Christian, I personally believe that I must try to live my life out as a godly man. It doesn't always work out like that, but I'm trying. I'm non-transitioning right now, so that makes it harder for me to actually put that out in practice, but spiritually, I at least try. I know that if/when I ever find a wife, I will jump start my transition so I can better live out God's will and reach His ideal for a union as much as I can.

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