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Was there a time you didnt think you were trans?

Started by WolfNightV4X1, July 17, 2016, 12:29:14 PM

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For a lot of my childhood I didn't think I was trans. That's not to say I didn't have dysphoria, but I was just so poorly educated on what being trans was. It is something that has really frustrated me because with a lack of education, and my knowledge coming from transphobic secondary school boys, I was led to believe for a long time that transgender people were weird perverts. This meant that instead of understanding dysphoria and doing something about it, I just believed that cis people had dysphoria, or that perhaps I was gay.

Since then, I have had doubts on a few occasions. I'm not always very dysphoric, though it never goes away, but at times that did mean that I thought I wasn't trans enough or something along those lines. Thankfully now I understand and can do something about it.
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Thea

Quote from: ElizabethK on July 19, 2016, 07:30:14 AM
I drank so much booze I was dam near incapable of having a fully coherent thought...better I just dive on back into that bottle than face that awful mess...and I did just that for the next 35 years...each time I sobered up I convinced my self I was not trans...but that never worked for long and I always went back to the bottle.

I can really relate, Liz. I lot of my drinking was to hide from my thoughts and feelings. I knew I was trans but if I could numb myself, I didn't have to face it. Besides, with the examples from my family, being a drunk was proof of manly masculinity. When I would sober up, I fought against myself, full of guilt and denial. That would lead to depression and right back into the bottle.

This time I feel like I have broken the cycle. I am fully sober, going on two years, but am not in denial any more. Life is too short to beat myself up. Better to love and accept ourselves as we are. Sometimes we are the only ones who will.
Veteran, U.S. Army

First awareness of my true nature 1971
Quit alcohol & pot 10/22/14
First acceptance of my true nature 10/2015
Started electrolysis 9/12/17
Begun Gender Therapy 7/06/18
Begun HRT 8/01/18
Quit tobacco 11/23/18

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KarlMars

Quote from: TinaW on July 19, 2016, 08:00:36 PM
I can really relate, Liz. I lot of my drinking was to hide from my thoughts and feelings. I knew I was trans but if I could numb myself, I didn't have to face it. Besides, with the examples from my family, being a drunk was proof of manly masculinity. When I would sober up, I fought against myself, full of guilt and denial. That would lead to depression and right back into the bottle.

This time I feel like I have broken the cycle. I am fully sober, going on two years, but am not in denial any more. Life is too short to beat myself up. Better to love and accept ourselves as we are. Sometimes we are the only ones who will.

What makes you a tough person is staying sober.

LizK

Quote from: TinaW on July 19, 2016, 08:00:36 PM
I can really relate, Liz. I lot of my drinking was to hide from my thoughts and feelings. I knew I was trans but if I could numb myself, I didn't have to face it. Besides, with the examples from my family, being a drunk was proof of manly masculinity. When I would sober up, I fought against myself, full of guilt and denial. That would lead to depression and right back into the bottle.

This time I feel like I have broken the cycle. I am fully sober, going on two years, but am not in denial any more. Life is too short to beat myself up. Better to love and accept ourselves as we are. Sometimes we are the only ones who will.

Congratulations of 2 years of sobriety...I found myself after a number of years sobriety looking for another drink...despite having tried to transition twice before I still wouldn't accept that I was trans...I got there now though, I never did and never will have that drink!!!!

Liz
Transition Begun 25 September 2015
HRT since 17 May 2016,
Fulltime from 8 March 2017,
GCS 4 December 2018
Voice Surgery 01 February 2019
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AnxietyDisord3r

Quote from: Amanda_Combs on July 17, 2016, 11:18:51 PM
There are two times for me.  I used to not know what trans was.  Even when I first heard of it, I still didn't understand it.  Of course once I got enough details, I realized that it all totally sounds like me.  Also there's the moments during every day when I think, "woah!  I got stuff all wrong, and my problems have nothing to do with my gender."  Then, of course, I look into a mirror and get sad.  I always go back to being sure, but it's really frustrating that certainty about being trans is so elusive for me.

There was a long time when I was reluctant to attribute being trans to the problems going on in my life. If trans is just a personality trait obviously it couldn't be having this negative effect on me. I'm 180 from there right now, all of these issues I was having seem to be clearing up with hormone replacement therapy. I'm probably too far the other way blaming all my problems on being trans but it's really dramatic how much of my mental and physical anguish was due to hormones and here I was blaming just about everything else.
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Amanda_Combs

Quote from: AnxietyDisord3r on July 21, 2016, 06:00:10 AM
There was a long time when I was reluctant to attribute being trans to the problems going on in my life. If trans is just a personality trait obviously it couldn't be having this negative effect on me. I'm 180 from there right now, all of these issues I was having seem to be clearing up with hormone replacement therapy. I'm probably too far the other way blaming all my problems on being trans but it's really dramatic how much of my mental and physical anguish was due to hormones and here I was blaming just about everything else.

Thank you so much for that!  I have wondered if I'm being delusional in believing that hormones may make a majority of my issues dissipate or reduce.  But I guess even if I start on hrt and feel no different than I do, that still confirms depression, a sleep disorder, anxiety disorder, and body image issues.  So I would at least know what to treat, and in the mean time, I'll still look more like me.  If you don't mind me asking, how long did it take you being on hormones before you could feel your issues starting to alleviate?
Higher, faster, further, more
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AnxietyDisord3r

Some issues started clearing up after a month. (I'm FTM) I have a friend who is MTF and experienced some relief from anxiety after only one week. But other issues took longer. I'm not quite six months in and I've experienced so much improvement on so many of my "complaints". The timeline was that the mental fog lifted first, then anxiety dipped a bit and I noticed I only got migraines when my T levels were lowest. I also started being able to build muscle quickly and that helped my body image. Most recently my anxiety and depression have really abated and I find myself calmer and able to handle situations without spiraling into low self esteem, anxiety, and self pity. I actually caught myself having self esteem. I've caught myself smiling sometimes. It's different, but nice. I'm also much less forgetful. I procrastinate WAY less than ever before. I have become slightly more impulsive but that's not all negative because sometimes it means I follow through on doing positive things when I would have just thought about it and never followed through.
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kaitylynn

I do not think that there was a time I did not think I was trans, just periods where I was not sure what it was I actually am.

I too turned to drugs for many years, but that was not an effective treatment and everything always revolved back to my reality.
Katherine Lynn M.

You've got a light that always guides you.
You speak of hope and change as something good.
Live your truth and know you're not alone.

The restart - 20-Oct-2015
Legal name and gender change affirmed - 27-Sep-2016
Breast Augmentation (Dr. Gupta) - 27-Aug-2018
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Seshatneferw

Quote from: WolfNightV4X1 on July 19, 2016, 08:30:36 AM
I also did not think I'd be trans because I thought my uncomfortable-ness might just be fairly normal.

This.

I grew up convinced that all the boys would have preferred to be girls, the others were just better at playing the expected games like 'who can pee the farthest away from where they stand' or, later, 'who can bench press the most'. It took me several decades to really grasp that yes, cis people really exist, the weirdos. ;) Turns out that my classmates were so much better at being boys because they were boys...

Still, the main problem was how I felt about my body, and looking back, I got pretty good at finding my own way in the mess of gendered social norms. In a sense I'm rather happy about being trans – it made it possible (and necessary) for me to have both 'male' and 'female' interests, and if I'd been cis (either way) my life would have turned out very different. It isn't easy, of course, and never has been, but there's no such thing as an easy life.

But deep down, I still cannot see gender roles and presentation as anything but a role-playing game.

Whoopee! Man, that may have been a small one for Neil, but it's a long one for me.
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Amber42

Quote from: Seshatneferw on July 22, 2016, 05:59:54 AM
This.

I grew up convinced that all the boys would have preferred to be girls, the others were just better at playing the expected games like 'who can pee the farthest away from where they stand' or, later, 'who can bench press the most'. It took me several decades to really grasp that yes, cis people really exist, the weirdos. ;) Turns out that my classmates were so much better at being boys because they were boys...

Still, the main problem was how I felt about my body, and looking back, I got pretty good at finding my own way in the mess of gendered social norms. In a sense I'm rather happy about being trans – it made it possible (and necessary) for me to have both 'male' and 'female' interests, and if I'd been cis (either way) my life would have turned out very different. It isn't easy, of course, and never has been, but there's no such thing as an easy life.

But deep down, I still cannot see gender roles and presentation as anything but a role-playing game.

I can really relate!  Growing up, I just figured every boy wanted to dress up as a girl and be like them.  I figured nobody is talking about it so they must be really good at hiding it, so I did the same.  Reality hit later and I hid it even deeper.

Now, as a 44 year old, I feel like I should have known better.  The word 'Trans' is something of a recent phenomenon and revelation for me.  I've always been but didn't know enough about it to relate.   It's only the last few years that I've taken my head out of the sand.

Wife, kids and career are now my reality and it's a much different playground to become myself now.   Everyone expects I am who I present myself to be.  I'm kind of an actor in my own movie.


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LizK

Now that I am having much less Dysphoria than I used too, it hit me, that the way I feel now after a couple of months on HRT is the way everyone else feels all the time. The enormity of that alone ...feeling nearly complete/right for the first time in my life...it blew me away that everyone else (non trans) got to feel like this all the time and not that awful deep sense of feeling broken.

Liz
Transition Begun 25 September 2015
HRT since 17 May 2016,
Fulltime from 8 March 2017,
GCS 4 December 2018
Voice Surgery 01 February 2019
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Dee Marshall

Quote from: ElizabethK on July 22, 2016, 05:36:32 PM
Now that I am having much less Dysphoria than I used too, it hit me, that the way I feel now after a couple of months on HRT is the way everyone else feels all the time. The enormity of that alone ...feeling nearly complete/right for the first time in my life...it blew me away that everyone else (non trans) got to feel like this all the time and not that awful deep sense of feeling broken.

Liz
And like fish they don't even notice the water.
April 22, 2015, the day of my first face to face pass in gender neutral clothes and no makeup. It may be months to the next one, but I'm good with that!

Being transgender is just a phase. It hardly ever starts before conception and always ends promptly at death.

They say the light at the end of the tunnel is an oncoming train. I say, climb aboard!
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alex82

No.

Only times (pre 7) that I thought it was normal. My friends were mainly girls, but some boys too - and I could always climb higher up a tree than anyone else, or kick a football into the goal on my way to chat with my girlfriends - so that probably saved me from a lot. And what it didn't save me from - well, the odd person who ever picked a fight with me certainly never ever tried it again.

Not even the teacher, who at the age of 7, dragged me up to her desk to denounce me for being abnormal and having 'something wrong', and that she'd be watching me at play times to make sure I played with no girls. Such a wicked thing to do to a child. She knew she'd gone too far, and she apologized to me after a couple of my apartheid style play times and lunch times. Then started complementing my handwriting and giving me money to buy sweets. By then I just wanted the year to be over so I could get a new teacher.

So then it faded out until 11, when two things happened - the girls were taken to a separate class to learn about periods, and the boys got an extended lunchtime break in the playground. That was quite traumatic and reinforced it. Then a new kid arrived in my class and I had my first crush on this beautiful Italian boy with his elegant footballers build and a little bit developed for an 11 year old, cute accent, dark and tanned. Found him on Facebook about a year ago actually - bald and fat. So we would've been divorced now anyway haha.

And night after night before sleep, I would fantasize about him and what it would've been like - if only. They were the least homosexual fantasies in the world, so it was kind of obvious.

And then on and on in the same style, with an outwardly and completely deliberately androgynous presentation, a relatively good if dysfunctional outer life, and a rich inner life. Both sometimes overwhelmed (every three or four years) by a sort of rising, hysterical, but totally silent panic that would build into breakdown and depression.

The real trauma was facial hair.

And then I had other things to deal with, various losses and dramas and things, and PTSD from a sexual attack by someone trying to infect people with HIV. That was probably worse than being trans, because it was a threat to life, and while everyone's rape is their own to feel how they feel, it was worse to me than standard, because it basically had attempted murder attached to it.

Thank god for a negative result. And with that, I can move on. It ruined the vast majority of my twenties. It robbed me of all that time. But I just don't care much as long as I don't have that, thank god.

So no, I never thought I wasn't trans. I always knew it applied to me, and I just wished and still wish it didn't. Bit if there was a pill to take to cure it, I wouldn't, because I like relating to the world with the female perspective I've always had.

Some may find the reasons and research interesting. I do to an extent. But it doesn't help - you either are or aren't, and if you're the one, then it's you. It's me. The available research about it perhaps being connected to prenatal stress and the mothers hormones in utero have really left my mother more distraught than she needed to be, thinking it was all her fault and something she did of didn't do during pregnancy. I wish she had never read it. I wish there was no need for her to go looking in the first place.
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Tossu-sama

I certainly had those times even though I can remember being younger than five years old when I first realized something was wonky about me.

I suppose I was in my teens or so when I first saw a documentary about trans people and of course a thought about me being one of them crossed my mind. I dismissed that thought pretty quickly, though, trying to be rational about my age and all that jazz. I would grow up to be a regular woman in the end, right?

Well, no.

Everytime I watched documentaries that had trans folks in them, I kept having the same thoughts. What if...? But no, I always dismissed them, somehow thinking being trans would've been a way too easy answer to me feeling out of place most of the time. Obviously, it's not an easy answer but anywho.

I suppose I was in denial for many years before I finally could face it and say it out loud.
Good thing I could do it. Too bad it just took so much time.
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KarlMars

Quote from: AnxietyDisord3r on July 21, 2016, 07:05:08 PM
Some issues started clearing up after a month. (I'm FTM) I have a friend who is MTF and experienced some relief from anxiety after only one week. But other issues took longer. I'm not quite six months in and I've experienced so much improvement on so many of my "complaints". The timeline was that the mental fog lifted first, then anxiety dipped a bit and I noticed I only got migraines when my T levels were lowest. I also started being able to build muscle quickly and that helped my body image. Most recently my anxiety and depression have really abated and I find myself calmer and able to handle situations without spiraling into low self esteem, anxiety, and self pity. I actually caught myself having self esteem. I've caught myself smiling sometimes. It's different, but nice. I'm also much less forgetful. I procrastinate WAY less than ever before. I have become slightly more impulsive but that's not all negative because sometimes it means I follow through on doing positive things when I would have just thought about it and never followed through.

How often do you work out?

V M

I went through periods of denial but it was always in the back of my mind and I'd eventually begin crossdressing again

I didn't really understand what being transgender was at the time but I knew something was up and would often question what was wrong with me

I just wish it wouldn't have taken over forty years to come to the realization that there is no shame and there is nothing wrong with the way I feel inside

It's all about self acceptance
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