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High prevalence of science, technology, engineering, math and related in TG?

Started by Steph Eigen, August 10, 2016, 06:07:43 PM

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Steph Eigen

This seems to be my observation, at least.  I've read that the prevalence of TG is  higher than the general population within computer scientists, software engineers and programmers.  Is this something that others have observed?

Regardless of interests, career choices and aptitudes, the posts here on Susan's place seem to reflect very warm, thoughtful and  intelligent membership, more so than other non-TG general interest forums I've read.  Makes me happy and thankful to be a member.

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Amber42

+1 for the engineering.  I am one :-)

I personally think the vast majority of the Trans community is very intelligent. 

I don't have a bias ;-)


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Eevee

I'm only making a guess here. You probably hear about trans women in the tech industry more often than cis women because cis women grow up being pushed away from that industry by today's society. Trans women aren't loaded down by that bias as much.

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Amber42

Quote from: Eevee on August 10, 2016, 06:25:01 PM
I'm only making a guess here. You probably hear about trans women in the tech industry more often than cis women because cis women grow up being pushed away from that industry by today's society. Trans women aren't loaded down by that bias as much.

I don't think it's a trans MTF vs CIS woman comparison that's fair.

I think this is probably a result of MTF having suppressed their feminine side growing up, so much so that we ended up in typically male dominated roles.

An interesting stat would the average IQ of MTF trans....


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Kylo

Former computing student and web designer here. Also biology student and later student of the arts. I just wanna do everything  ;D
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Deborah

BS Electrical Engineering, MBA Operations Research, and about half of a Masters in Divinity.  I'm currently an Operations Research Analyst doing a lot of statistics. 

My programming skills are pretty non existent though.
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Steph Eigen

This is a topic that fascinates me. 

Some of the older inventories that supposedly test gender on the spectrum from typically female to typically male operated on the obviously flawed assumption that maleness is defined by ability to do math, understand spacial concepts, visualize data and mathematical relationships, visualize geometric relationships, etc.  Conversely, female was characterized by ability to remember musical themes, interpret emotional states of others, care about needs of others, write and handle verbal or language based reasoning and ideas.  The questions are written in such a way to classify in an exclusive manner, that is you're either male or female, not allowed in the structure of the tests to be essentially strongly capable in aptitudes characteristic of both concurrently.  Obviously an anachronism, not accurate, not relevant.

I, for one, have aptitude for all of these things, both the male and female by these criteria.   I have male and female faculty colleagues and collaborators who similarly able to do high level mathematics and scientific research who would similarly score high in both maleness and femaleness using these criteria. The vast majority are surely cisgendered men and women.   My own situation is that I play the typical externally male roles, behaviors and mannerisms.  I am sure no one I work would suspect I identify as female internally.  My suspicion is that the ambiguity in assignment of simple male vs. female gender identity  increases to some degree with increasing intelligence and/or  education.

This goes to underscore the point that gender is  not a social construct or defined  by a small set of superficial external characteristics.

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Just Me Here

Quote from: Steph Eigen on August 10, 2016, 06:17:13 PM
University faculty in biomedical research--tally one more.
Student in Biomedical Science +1 here sister
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Deborah

I read something once, and I can't remember the source, that at higher altitude levels the differences between the way men and women think converge together.  My observations over the years seem to confirm this. 

My own personal theory for TS is that both halves of the brain work equally and pass information for processing back and forth between them very quickly.  That's what it feels like anyway.
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becky.rw

math here, I do do a substantial amount of coding along the way.
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KathyLauren

Computer science here.

I doubt if there is anything about science and technology that makes people transgender.  :)  I think that transgender people are attracted to computers in particular and technology in general because machines don't judge. 
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Steph Eigen

Yet another reason I feel I've found some kindred spirits here...
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Maybebaby56

PhD in chemistry.  I was never that strong in math, though, and struggled through a year of calculus as an undergrad.  Oddly, I have collected books on linear equations and multivariate calculus, and can't wait to tackle them when I have time. I just feel so... ungrounded when I have to consider solid state physics.

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alexia

Count me in.  Even though I'm currently a farmer I've got a Masters degree in IT (not a lot of use on the farm:)
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I have always thought a lot of us funneled much of our suppressed  GD energy into being overachievers in many aspects of our lives ... I worked in hazardous waste remediation .. Mostly contaminated soil/groundwater cleanup and remediation of military explosive munitions (UXO)... Now I'm a housewife!!! :)
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aaajjj55

Degree in maths & MBA for me (and there was also a MtF transgender student in the same department while I was there).
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V

I'm a Mechanical and Manufacturing Engineer.
But I think I have traits traditionally associated with both male and female roles.
I see myself as 'a bit of both'.
A long time ago, a TS friend of mine told me that LG&B people are, on average, a standard deviation higher in IQ than 'straight' cis-folk. And that trans people are in turn, a standard deviation higher in IQ than LG&B folk. I am not really sure if that's true, and I have long since forgotten what she said her source was.
But most of the M2F trans people I have met have worked in some technical field or other.
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Just Me Here

Quote from: V on August 11, 2016, 04:03:24 AM
I'm a Mechanical and Manufacturing Engineer.
But I think I have traits traditionally associated with both male and female roles.
I see myself as 'a bit of both'.
A long time ago, a TS friend of mine told me that LG&B people are, on average, a standard deviation higher in IQ than 'straight' cis-folk. And that trans people are in turn, a standard deviation higher in IQ than LG&B folk. I am not really sure if that's true, and I have long since forgotten what she said her source was.
But most of the M2F trans people I have met have worked in some technical field or other.
I don't think it's so much higher IQ because trans people are naturally more intelligent. I think it requires
1. introspection and awareness
and
2. the ability to develop coping strategies.
so people lacking 1 never really recognize it and just live miserable lives as cis people, never knowing why they're unhappy. As such they never get registered as trans.
and people lacking 2 might recognize they're trans, but they might end up putting themselves in a pine box before they transition or manage to find ways to cope.
It takes a special ability to see the angles of a problem and understand society to recognize that you don't fit. Some people recognize early and have to learn how to cope.
Some recognize later but need to go through a lot of soul searching first.
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