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Dating Problems For Transsexuals

Started by Teri Anne, January 24, 2006, 12:02:28 PM

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Leigh

NNNNOOOO Teri  Anne

I was refering to the Leather community.  I have had no problem finding someone to play with-no matter how you define play with

Because  many women tend to view physical play as abuse, consensual or not, we are not the poster children for conforminity and femeninism.  There seems to be a defenite schism between the vanilla and the Leather community where you either are a part of one or the other.  In this one aspect I am a switch.  I have a defenite set of friends on one side and Family on the other--and neither the twain shall mix.

You mentioned a past friend in the context of possibly being a "->-bleeped-<- lover".   This is just my own personal theory but:  I thnk that many who are like that are gay men in denial.  In their minds they can be with either a pre or post woman and not be seen as gay while in reality they are attracted to what they know the person was or is.  My theory, no basis in fact.  But then, I have never been with a man so what the heck do I know?  My thinking is that if I don't have one on me and I sure as hell don't want one in me.

Being late is bad enough but to refuse to say "sorry"  WTH is up with that? 

Leigh













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stephanie_craxford

This is a great topic, I'm enjoying reading it.  I've been thinking about some of the dating problems that I could encounter as well.  However the only problem that comes to mind is "My Spouse" :)

Steph
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Sara

Teri Anne, you are too good for someone like that. I bet you could get a nice boy if you tried, one that has the decency to say sorry and apologize for being an hour late (thats rude). You are simply not someones number. As for leather ARE WE TALKING STRAPS that kinda thing, cause that seems a little kinky. Book clubs on the other hand I can handle. I used to love to read call of the wild.

Dating could arise for me in the future as I am now having some problems with my wife and I guess I ask myself who would want to have this old thing as messed up as I am.

Sara.
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Kimberly

I am very sorry to hear that Sara. *comfort*
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Leigh

Quote from: Sara on January 29, 2006, 01:30:28 AM
  As for leather ARE WE TALKING STRAPS that kinda thing, cause that seems a little kinky. 

One persons kink is someone elses vanilla.
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Sheila

Stephanie,
   Your post, thinking about dating, one problem my spouse. I never even considered the dating scene. My wife and I decided long ago that was a scene that we never wanted to travel. I have, in a person, all that I want and will ever need. I know the intimacy is not there as far as sex is, but we have the love and admiration of each other. We are very close and to think of dating another is not in our realm of thinking. So, to us, my spouse is not a problem. She is not lesbian and I don't have a particular label attached to me, nor do I want one.
Sheila
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stephanie_craxford

Quote from: Sheila on January 29, 2006, 11:21:00 AM
Stephanie,
   Your post, thinking about dating, one problem my spouse. I never even considered the dating scene. My wife and I decided long ago that was a scene that we never wanted to travel. I have, in a person, all that I want and will ever need. I know the intimacy is not there as far as sex is, but we have the love and admiration of each other. We are very close and to think of dating another is not in our realm of thinking. So, to us, my spouse is not a problem. She is not lesbian and I don't have a particular label attached to me, nor do I want one.
Sheila

Ditto, Ditto, Ditto.

I was just trying to be funny :)

It would seem that we are in a very similar.  She has also told me that she is not a lesbian and that's that.   However we have often spoken about there being a chance that we may separate in the future.  We are unable to satisfy each other intimately, so we have been honest with each other and know that should a person comes along who can, we may have to revisit our situation (her idea).  After how my wife has stood by me, supported me, and loved me all these years it's the least I could do.

We have no plans of ever separating, just growing old together :)

Steph
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DawnL

My spouse isn't a lesbian either.  She doesn't feel that sex is that important, but since we are assuming the role of sisters, I wouldn't tell her she can't have sex with someone else.  That doesn't seem reasonable.  I haven't thought much about it but my spouse is convinced I'm going to want a "test drive" post-op.  Hmm, don't know about that.  I think it's possible we'll remain celibate but our unspoken agreement seems to be "don't ask, don't tell".

Dawn
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Valerie

Quote from: Dennis on January 24, 2006, 12:43:16 PM
Yeah, I know what you mean Teri. I'm nervous about dating because I don't have the bottom bits, so not sure about straight women - would they see me as male? Don't want to date a lesbian whose identity would be in crisis. I'm hoping to run across a nice, sane, bisexual woman who isn't going to care about what my gender does to her identity.

Dennis

Well dang, Dennis !  I meet most of your requirements (the 'sane' part is questionable) but you are just too far away....  Guess we'll never know what could have been  ;D .....   Incidentally, if we were to date, you'd be my boyfriend..... 
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Dennis

Quote from: Valerie on January 29, 2006, 09:20:41 PM
Well dang, Dennis !  I meet most of your requirements (the 'sane' part is questionable) but you are just too far away....  Guess we'll never know what could have been  ;D .....   Incidentally, if we were to date, you'd be my boyfriend..... 

<sends flowers to Valerie long distance>

Dennis
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Hazumu

Quote from: Teri Anne on January 28, 2006, 03:11:59 PM
My worst fear had been realized -- I was dating a man who LIKED the fact that I used to be a man.  He found them more interesting than "regular" women.  While that might be so, it was a big crush to my ego.

Y'know, I've thought about this statement, Teri Anne.  I think I would have dumped the guy for the "I never apologise" attitude, and for the fact he was hiding his interest in T-women.

But what if a guy is upfront about being turned on by T-women, and also seems genuinely interested in you as YOU, not just as a T-woman?  I can't say for certain yet (ask me again in 3 years, assuming then I'm at least a year beyond GRS,) but I believe I'd appreciate the honesty, and that that honesty might mitigate the fact he's a bit of a (pardon the expression) '->-bleeped-<--lover'.

Seems the most improtant ingredients in a sexually intimate relationship are honesty, openness, and communication.  If those are there, the rest can be negotiated.

Haz
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Kimberly

What's to love?

Quite a lot, I think. To survive we've had to endure more than most. The phrase "takes a licken and keeps on ticken" might be deemed appropriate. (Timex commercial circa 1980s as I recall).

There is something to admire in a strong spirit, for that matter I always have been attracted to the self-made, spirited, self-assured, etc. woman. I suppose it is amusing I am turning into the type of woman I've always admired. Anyway, I can see the logic, or at least I think I can.

Still dating is such a foreign thing to me, perhaps I haven't a clue.
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Cassandra

Just a little off topic but.

QuoteTimex commercial circa 1980s as I recall

1960's actually. I remember one of the first commercials using that line where they strapped a Timex to a skiers ski at the ski jump at the.., I think it was 1964 Winter Olympics.

Cassie
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Sara

Thanks Kimberly, she just got a little scared like me I guess. The GP has made an urgent appointment with the therapist on Feb 14 (Valentines Day), They both agree that is is time for action and now I am feeling like I should never had said anything and Im so nervous about the appointment.

My wife mentioned about dating men and my interest in them and I said to her I had no sexual fantasies about males nor did I want to persue a male relationship after the surgery but to be truthful who knows what I will feel like after it, sore no doubt.

On a lighter note, I picked up a great turtle neck jumper (brown) to go with my nice flared pants, my wife commented that if she was skinnier she would borrow them and how nice I looked in them (That really made my day).

Sara.
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Sheila

Sara, I have found that some people change their sexual orientation and some don't. I don't know if it was there all along, but some change. I know for me is that I find women attractive, but have no inclinations as to follow the menu. I love my wife and have no desire to go out on her. As for men, I thought at first I might get attracted to them, but the more I talk to them the more I'm turned off to even haveing a relationship with one of them. No offense to the guys here, just part of my back ground. Even though my wife and I are not intimate in a sexual way, I don't have any desires for another relationship with anyone else, except being friends with other women, TS included.
Sheila
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Sara

Sheila, Your probably right, its just that over the years since that aweful event I have had men interested in me and in my teen years even had an encounter where some one I worked with took me out and spiked my drink and I woke up in a motel room with my pants unzipped, he said nothing happened but I know different. It seems some men think because I look the way I do, I am easy but that is far from the truth. I like some guys but like you when they start to talk I realize that I have nothing in common with them. I even have problems with my son who is 11 because I cannot relate to him on a male level, he asks the most silly questions sometimes about boy things and I just look at him and think why me and that makes me sad. I did however ask him if I embarrass him by dressing up in girls cloths and wearing makeup and what his friends thought (cause many have called me a girl) and he was more concerned with what they say about his mother who is overweight due to her disability, so I guess that makes me feel more at ease.

The dating thing really wont be a problem for me cause when I have my T suppressed, it makes me alot calmer and it is only because my hormones are up and down at the moment I feel like maybe cause guys like me sexually that I should like them in a sexual way more than I do already but on my scale women would rate higher than men and dont see how this could change in the future but life is strange and who knows what is around the corner.

Sara.
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Victoria L.

Hm... it's exactly why I don't date.

I don't want to be stuck with a girl... and then have to tell them who I truly am. That would crush the girl, and it would crush me as well, so why do it?

Single forever...

Sorry if that was somewhat off topic.

~Victoria~
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Teri Anne

Hi everyone -- sorry for the delay in my responding but I was out of town.

re: leather and SM - I admit that I was somewhat interested in it in my preop days.  But, for me, I came to realize that it was the fantasy that intrigued me...particularly the girl being dominated.  A friend did some mild things to me once and I found that, heck, it hurt and I didn't like the feeling of being trapped or controlled.  So much for fantasies!  One time, later on, I went to what I thought was the location of a TG group.  It turned out that I was there when another group was meeting.  The lady at the door said it was "BDSM."  I said, "Oh, okay," and walked away, pondering what the initials stood for.  I realized, "Hmm, SM --- oh, so BD must be..."  I walked away a little faster.  I still fantasize from time to time but, for me, the reality is nothing I want to experience..."not that there's anything wrong with that."

LEIGH - I agree with you in your theory that some men date TS women because they are "gay men in denial."  I've heard that, in L.A., TS prostitutes are often popular in the hispanic community because it would be considered a very unmacho thing to be dating a man -- but date a man dressed as a woman and you're presumed to still be a macho hombre.  For some TS prostitutes, this creates quite a problem in that they WANT to have SRS but, if they do, they can end up not having as much business as prostitutes because they lack the male equipment that some hispanic males prefer.

SARA - Thanks for saying, "You are too good for someone like that."  Yes, I remember, as I drove away from the restaurant thinking that very thing.  Here I was, a successful Hollywood editor and I wasn't worthy of receiving an apology?  But it wasn't personal...he was fond of some kind of Eastern religion wherein there is no blame.  What can I say?  Sometimes when you date, you put blinders on, hoping for the best.  I mean, we all want a special someone, right?  Unfortunately, the reality of  "winning" that person can be as pleasure-filled as watching idiots eat worms on "Survivor."

HAZAMU - You asked, "But what if a guy is upfront about being turned on by T-women, and also seems genuinely interested in you as YOU, not just as a T-woman?"  To be honest, I've always said that I don't know who I'll end up with....it's the person inside that counts.  I know that, when I'm with a man, I tend to feel more female.  Some of the most supportive people I know are gay guys.  But when I'm with women, I feel more sexual attraction to them.  It's interesting to me that women are incredibly unaware that, despite whatever minor physical flaws they see in themselves, that they are beautiful.  Each gender has its attractions.  I agree with you when you say, "honesty, openness, and communication.  If those are there, the rest can be negotiated."

SHEILA - You mentioned, "No offense to the guys here, just part of my back ground."  I, too, feel I'm a product of my upbringing as a male.  One thing that gets in my way of dating guys is a homophobic feeling that American society has taught me to have.  My learned behavior is that I see nothing wrong with two women kissing but have never quite gotten used to seeing two men kissing.  I know it's stupid and illogical.  I should know better.  I truly believe it's just something we all need to get used to seeing and the more it happens publicly, the less of an oddity it will seem.  All of this, of course, I push to the back of my mind when I date a guy.  But, like some of you, I find I'm just not attracted to men.  I remember, when I was a guy, thinking, "I am not a neanderthal like society thinks all men are."  And yet, I see men acting goofy at football games shouting, "Hoo, hoo, hoo" like a bunch of monkeys.  When they do that or act aggressively, I think, "why are they playing the stereotype of neanderthals?  I objected to being thought of like that.  Why don't they?"  So much of society is learned behavior. 

What becomes of my future?  I lived together with a woman for 21 years and we considered ourselves lifetime partners.  My transsexualism and SRS ended our relationship though, amazingly, we remain good friends.  She's moved across the country and has married.  We still talk over the phone on a daily basis.  I've even stayed with her and her husband for a week-long recent visit.

Like some of you, I wonder if I will always be single.  My other best friend says that someday someone will see that I have a warm and beautiful heart and will want to be with me, forever.  I try to boost my mood by realizing that, if people who are missing arms or legs can find love, surely I can.

For now, it's an elusive dream.  Despite being post-op, I sometimes feel like I'm deceiving people when I arrange an internet date with them.  So many of the "love" sites have people proclaiming that "honesty is the most important thing."  If I'm honest with them before the meet - describing my past - will they be turned off?  I know, in my past male life, I would have been.  I know we TS's all have the rule to confess the past just before intimacy.  But is it fair to have someone fall in love with me when I'm hiding my past?  Aren't I creating the same hurt that my ex had to face?  Some of you are fortunate to have wives that tolerated that revelation.  I'm envious.

For now, I'm still not dating.  I may, at some point, seek new "friends."  That seems a kinder way to search -- lower both their and my expectations.   As the saying goes, "No one promised life was going to be easy."

Teri Anne
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Kimberly

Quote from: Teri Anne on February 01, 2006, 01:53:20 AM... Each gender has its attractions. ...
That is so very, very true.


The other conundrum of, for instance, stating one is a transsexual woman on one's profile is what kind of flies will that attract?
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Teri Anne

Kimberly -- What a great humorous way to put it!  Yes, flies indeed!  I once had a screen name with "TS" in it and had a profile describing my past on one of the internet dating services.  All I got were emails and I'M's from guys who wanted to have sex with a TS.  Talk about making me feel like an object!  UGGHH!

Teri Anne
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