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Started by Sara, January 24, 2006, 08:25:18 PM

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Sara

RLT for me as you may or may not know has been steady throughout my existance but now that I am about to venture into the unknown area of therapy for gender that is, I would like to know if anyone has a rundown on the programme for RLT?

I currently use female toilets without a hassel and just wondered if they allow you to still use these toilets once you start therapy and RLT or does the law get in the way of you doing this once you are officially seeing a shrink or until you have actually had affirmation surgery, cause I dont think I could manage going back to the mens toilets, I dont think the guys would like it either.

Sara.

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Leigh

Quote from: Sara on January 24, 2006, 08:25:18 PM
RLT for me as you may or may not know has been steady throughout my existance 

In another thread you posted:

QuoteThe problem I face is that when I go to the supermarket my wife will call me Sara and then the checkout person will look at my ATM card and think wait a minute you're a man

Are you saying that the name on the card is not Sara but another name?
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Sara

Yes Leigh, I usually use my wife's card most times and because I am awaiting letters for affirmation to get things changed legally, I have not bothered to change any legal docs. It hasnt been a real issue, I have never been picked up for speeding, never been asked to produce ID and as I have mentioned have managed to use my wifes card for purchases but every now and then I do get caught out when I go to the supermarket and forget her card. Oh well I could either go home and get it or just use mine so I use my card, thats when I get the look. I guess I could have said it was my boyfriends card but I dont. I smile they smile and I tell them.

Sara.
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Cassandra

Before my name change I think I was asked for ID twice when using my card. Thing is on my old DL I had a short beard. They would look at the ID and get that look. One time a lady said, "No I need your ID, not your husbands." I just smiled and said that is me. I think she turned three shades of red. So I said "I got first prize for worst drivers license photo ever taken".

Cassie
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stephanie_craxford

Hey there Sara,

There is no specific RLT Program well not one you can sign up for for example.  However check out the Wiki as the requirement for RLT is laid out in the Standards of Care[/b].

Steph
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Dennis

lol Cassie, I'd love to see that look. You do win the prize for worst DL picture for sure.

Dennis
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Shelley

Hey Cassie

Quote"I got first prize for worst drivers license photo ever taken".

You never fail to bring a smile to my face. I envy your partner living with you must be a hoot.

Shelley
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Dennis

Oh, and Sara. I think during RLT you are supposed to use the bathrooms of your target gender, not your birth gender. So you would continue to use women's rooms. Otherwise, it wouldn't be much of a test of what it's like for you to live as a woman if you were using men's rooms.

Dennis
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Leigh

Having the correct identification certainly helps also.

I can't imagine RLT being very real without documentation.
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Sara

Leigh, how true you are. Not that I have ever been asked for ID in the girls toilet!

I just wondered what changes legally as many countries have different rules and regulationas and not having the letter from my Doctors yet I suppose would create a real problem if I were to be asked for ID in the toilet.

So that is the real question do the therapists have a legal plan that they follow in RLT, I know that they expect you to dress full time etc but what if for example someone was at the beginning of their transition and didnt quit look the part, is the letter from the therapist going to be enough to allow you to enter the female toilets cause this could be a bit of a problem with the law in Australia. I know if I see a guy in the toilet lurking around I would run for cover.

Sara.
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Leigh

Its not the bathroom that counts.  Its the rest of the real world. 

I don't know what requirements OZ has to change all the ID but I don't see where anyone no matter where they live, could fulfill the RLT requirements if when they applied for a job, they have to show the wrong gendered identification.

There is no RLT if there is no test.
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Sara

True Leigh, it is the world test. When I used to work I never really had any problems as they knew I was presenting myself as female but had male ID and now that I do not work and look after my wife I suppose that will be the tough one for the therapist cause my daily routine evolves around caring for a disabled person, going to the shops to buy food and get new cloths, occassionally going out for tea but in general my life is pretty boring compared to girls in the City and younger I guess and because I have been this way for many years, my RLT has already been completed except for the legal documents and the surgery. As for a plan - I would like to have electrolysis but my hairs are very fine and dont grow out for many weeks or even months sometimes. Already on hormones so that gets the tick off the plan. I could do some more in the way of my voice but havent had any bad comments so far and surgery is going to happen once they can find out if I have thrombosis or not. If I do then that could disrupt things a little. Am I missing something here, oh dressing, well I already do that and have done so for many years.

The thing that I dislike about the RLT is that there are some girls just starting out and some still have a very masculine look and then they get thrown out in the world to be a girl and lets face it, the world can be very ugly. It is humiliating for girls who are just starting out and that is supposed to be the RLT. Therapy as I see it should ease you into the roll not throw you head first into the fires from hell. So how was it dressed as a female in public looking not so the way you would like the public to see you well Dr. you tell me ( go out there and do it yourself) then we'll talk.

Sara.
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Leigh

 


QuoteTherapy as I see it should ease you into the roll not throw you head first into the fires from hell.

"if you can't stand the heat stay out of the kitchen" could apply here.  Therapy in and of itsself does not require anyone to commence RLT.  Only after therapy if both-therapist and client-are sure that it is the only viable route then yes RLT can be done.  It however, does not have to be started on day one.  Do the electro, FFS if you have the $$$ and its your thing, start on the paperwork to that its finalization coincides with a date that has been set to begin.  You have to start before you can get to the finish line.

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The thing that I dislike about the RLT is that there are some girls just starting out and some still have a very masculine look and then they get thrown out in the world to be a girl and lets face it, the world can be very ugly.

So what are they do do if they do not present a female, not tranistion?    It mean and its cruel but if they can't survive RLT, before surgery, how are they going to survive when there is no going back physically afterwards?  RLT also helps to weed out those who are living in a fantasy world of "oh look at me I'm a woman"  hopefully before any dramatic changes have been made.

I wonder what the suicide rate would be if surgery was upon demand?
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Sara

Thank you Leigh and Melissa for pointing that out, I didnt realize you could make a plan when to actually start RLT. Preperation is the key for sure. I wonder what will happen when I go to therapy asking for my op dressed in a skirt and with makeup on and having lived as a female for nearly all my life and if that will be more of a backstep for me rather than going in dressed in jeans and a tshirt with no makeup and trying to remember to talk differently. I am a bit hesitant as maybe the therapist might take me the wrong way and not grant me the right to have surgery?


Sara.
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Kimberly

What I would do in your place might not be the best thing to do but I'd dress normally and make sure to explain things very clearly in an attempt to leave no doubt.
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DawnL

Quote from: Sara on January 26, 2006, 01:14:33 AM
I wonder what will happen when I go to therapy asking for my op dressed in a skirt and with makeup on and having lived as a female for nearly all my life and if that will be more of a backstep for me rather than going in dressed in jeans and a tshirt with no makeup and trying to remember to talk differently. I am a bit hesitant as maybe the therapist might take me the wrong way and not grant me the right to have surgery?

You are going to seek letters of recommendation based on your suitability for surgery.  If you are convinced you have a decent therapist, then you should be presenting the way you do in real life in terms of voice, dress, and mannerism.  Be yourself.  If the therapist says you're not ready for surgery, you can look for a second opinion, but you should also ask yourself if you are indeed ready.  The issues about having to present female when one looks masculine yet are often a fact of life.  I didn't like it but I did it because I had to.  As Leigh pointed out, some of this may seem cruel but transition isn't for the faint of heart and shouldn't be undertaken lightly.

Dawn
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Sara

Dawn, I just dont want the therapist to say oh well you have been living that way for years without surgery so why now all of a sudden and then not grant me the surgery.

I have a fear of the worst case rather than taking it as it comes, that is why I am so depressed.


Sara.
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DawnL

Quote from: Sara on January 26, 2006, 04:41:59 PM
Dawn, I just dont want the therapist to say oh well you have been living that way for years without surgery so why now all of a sudden and then not grant me the surgery.

If a therapist says this to you, I would run quickly away and find a new therapist unless they can give you a compelling reason why you shouldn't have surgery.  Even then, you can get another opinion.  They certainly may ask you to justify your sudden interest in surgery however.

Dawn
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stephanie_craxford

Quote from: Sara on January 26, 2006, 04:41:59 PM
Dawn, I just dont want the therapist to say oh well you have been living that way for years without surgery so why now all of a sudden and then not grant me the surgery.

I have a fear of the worst case rather than taking it as it comes, that is why I am so depressed.
Sara.

Just to add my comments to this post - I may be wrong and if so I hope that those who are post-op will correct me, however, therapists do not "Grant" you the surgery, at best they would write letters stating the care they have provided and that you are a good candidate for surgery or that they recommend surgery.  It is the Surgeons who "Grant" the surgery after they are sure that you meets the criteria they subscribe to and enough gold has exchanged hands.

Steph
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DawnL

Quote from: Stephanie Craxford on January 26, 2006, 06:42:43 PM
Just to add my comments to this post - I may be wrong and if so I hope that those who are post-op will correct me, however, therapists do not "Grant" you the surgery, at best they would write letters stating the care they have provided and that you are a good candidate for surgery or that they recommend surgery.  It is the Surgeons who "Grant" the surgery after they are sure that you meets the criteria they subscribe to and enough gold has exchanged hands.

Steph, you are quite right.  The surgeon has the final word. 

Dawn
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