Are trans and cis vaginas similar or different?

[TinaVane]

Cis women vaginas can be stretched trans can't ... So when the kids say women vaginas r 4-5 inches they leave out the rest bout how they coochie can be "STRETCHED ". Most probably don't come across huge dicks to be affected one way or the other


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[Jenna Marie]

Tina: That's because 4-5" IS the stretched size for cis women; in the relaxed state, the cis vagina is more like 3" (that's the  number Masters and  Johnson came up with, and subsequent studies have found similar results). What that means is that my 5.5" is already deeper than many cis women manage when fully aroused... and I don't have a cervix to get painfully poked if the guy goes too deep, either.

(Arousal is what causes the "stretching," not the penis; all the penis does is, well, poke the cervix. The penis won't stretch the vagina further by jabbing at it.)

[Miss Lux]

In my experience the length was never a problem but the width of the penis I can accomodate is usually the problem..... Comments wise, i dunno if they are just being nice but usually it is positive and comment how they like the tightness blah blah.... But I am a dim light/ lights off kinda girl though hihihi.... The best or most comfortable position is when I am on top....

[R R H]

I'm curious to hear from any lesbian MtF's in the light of the above. Do you notice any adverse comments from girlfriends / partners? My current partner is partly responsible for reassuring me that cis vaginas come in all shapes and sizes.

[TinaVane]

So tonight i was looking at post op trans porn (never knew it was out ones like that in that industry  ) either way but um hhhhmmmmm not being shady (since I'm getting snipped regardless ) ... Actually let me not say it ... I never been with a cis female (technically I'm still a virgin in the front ) ... But cis female porn is way more uh hhhhmmmm authentic looking. It just seem like the post ops just don't feel anything (again which is fine by me since I don't like making all that noise ) ... I'm going to leave it at that part I don't want people to get offended lol but I can't wait for mines [emoji5][emoji5][emoji5][emoji5]


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[Miss Lux]

Personally speaking I can orgasm but most of my orgasmic experience comes from receiving cunnilingus...

[anjaq]

The Great Wall of Vagina........which included MtF's post surgery. x

Now then this does not make a great comparison method, does it. If there are post op reconstructed vulvae in it, then of course we can find something that matches our own visuals more closely, it will be those reconstructed vulvae...

[anjaq]

A friend of mine said, she once told a guy to leave after showering with him. She saw that his dick was too big for her, and yes, she is cis, so unless you are used to it and built for it, certain sizes can also not for in vaginas that were grown before birth. But yes of course, the capabilities are there for a vagina to stretch to the size of a babies head. a reconstruced vagina can never do that, not even with all the pain that is involved if that happens naturally

[Jenna Marie]

I'm bi, not lesbian, but I've never been with a guy. My wife also reassures me that they come in all sorts of varieties.

I'm also very orgasmic, and I'm not sure porn is a good place to look for any idea of how post-op genitals function (appearance, yes, ability, no, because porn is usually fake for trans and cis women alike).

Oh, and Anjaq, I actually did worry about that - then I found out that the Great Wall has fewer trans vulvas than I identified as similar to mine (I think it's got only 2-3 trans women?). On the flip side, when told that, most cis people apparently picked the *wrong* vulvas as post-op, which is a different form of reassurance.

[R R H]

On the flip side, when told that, most cis people apparently picked the *wrong* vulvas as post-op, which is a different form of reassurance.

Haha that's great! A sample size of 397 cis females and 3 MtF trans seems pretty solid.

I think for very good reasons we do worry about this. Mind you, I've been with a cis female who worried about the size of her labia and another who was terribly worried about a mole on her labia.

[anjaq]

Well, I flipped through a book of pictures and did not find one clitoris that looked even close to mine. Sure, most people will look at the labia, they are huge or colored or small or wrinkly - the inner labia can be larger than the outer ones, which distresses a lot of cis women, or smaller or pink or black. So yes, there is a huge lot of variation. But a clitoris is more complex and can only be partially reconstructed. I guess for most people it makes little difference, they look at the other features - labia, vagina,... so its all fine then.

Now sadly pictures of post op "vaginas" are not available commonly, especially after one of the largest collection was taken offline, so I do not know if this still is true, but at least until some time ago the difference was this (the black blotch is the clitoris - I am not so good in drawing on the computer, but see how it either does connect to the inner labia , those wiggly lines - or it does not connect? I have seen this lack of connection in basically all post op pictures I remember - the best that I saw that they could to was to make a hood over the clitoris (which is missing in older GRS surgeries as well) connect to the inner labia, which is a fairly convincing reconstruction, but for some people this seems "off" even if they do not know what to look for - if you know what to look for, this is where I would seek to find a difference. Some GRS surgeons seem to make the clitoris small enough so that difference is not visible anymore, I guess thats the best strategy, as this is true - some cis vulvae have small clitoris that is just a dot or even invisible under the hood that covers it - so this is the case where it is most equal. If the clitoris is large and clearly visible though, its harder to reconstruct it in a matter that is unidentifyable as being post op. At least that is my personal impression from what I kow from some time ago.

[pretty pauline]

In my experience the length was never a problem but the width of the penis I can accomodate is usually the problem..... Comments wise, i dunno if they are just being nice but usually it is positive and comment how they like the tightness blah blah.... But I am a dim light/ lights off kinda girl though hihihi.... The best or most comfortable position is when I am on top....

That's been more or less my experience, my husband only dated cis women before me, I've asked him lots times how mine compares and gives me the same answer, he can't tell the difference only mine is tighter, he loves the tightness, it is a wow factor with some men, nice and tight just the way he likes it, great vote of self confidence in me as a woman, very few men comment on scars, most men just don't want to go there, a gentleman doesn't question a woman on such intimate details, most guys don't go there, well that's my experience.

[anjaq]

I guess it also depends on if you tell them you had surgery or not. If they know, they will not care much - or they will dump you, I guess. The vagina - the inside part - is indeed not that much different except maybe the lubrication and tightness. The differences are in my opinion mostly visible only on the outside part (vulva) and they are only noticeable to me who actually look. Apparently a lot of men do not care because they do not even look, they just want to put their d. in the vagina, so yes, in that case, its not an issue anyways.

I am not sure why I had this experience on my firt time with a guy - maybe it was just bad luck - maybe I happened to be with a guy who looks closely and has seen many women close up - because he also does oral sex. Or maybe its just that because my GRS was 15 years ago that my looks are really that much different that it sticks out and present day surgeries are much better. Maybe I should get a guy next time who is just not looking closely or who is at least keeping it shut about what he sees.

[pretty pauline]

I am not sure why I had this experience on my firt time with a guy - maybe it was just bad luck - maybe I happened to be with a guy who looks closely and has seen many women close up - because he also does oral sex. Or maybe its just that because my GRS was 15 years ago that my looks are really that much different that it sticks out and present day surgeries are much better. Maybe I should get a guy next time who is just not looking closely or who is at least keeping it shut about what he sees.

You were just unlucky, I had my GRS 30 years ago in 1985, the majority of men just don't bother looking at our girly bits because they are just too excited and eager to buried their manhood, mine doesn't have good stretching, but hubby is not complaining, he lkes it tight and I've got used to his size, so it's worked out for both of us, my scars have faded over the years, the only person that could tell the difference is a gynecologist on a very close detail examination and no guy is going to do that, most men just don't go there, that's a ''woman's business'' and women's health that men just don't want to know.

[Miss Lux]

You were just unlucky, I had my GRS 30 years ago in 1985, the majority of men just don't bother looking at our girly bits because they are just too excited and eager to buried their manhood, mine doesn't have good stretching, but hubby is not complaining, he lkes it tight and I've got used to his size, so it's worked out for both of us, my scars have faded over the years, the only person that could tell the difference is a gynecologist on a very close detail examination and no guy is going to do that, most men just don't go there, that's a ''woman's business'' and women's health that men just don't want to know.

I concur 100%

[anjaq]

Wow ok. I guess it was unlucky then - or maybe actually I was lucky and did not realize it, making out with a man who actually cares about my vulva and that I have some fun instead of just being eager to "bury hios manhood". That would be rather lame, if that was all that he does and then its over. Classical frustrating situation for women in partnerships with men, I guess. But of course the upside is that he would not notice the differences...

But for me the question was less if a man notices the differences, but if there are any differences and I believe there are, at least for some of us. And maybe if you are not going for a man but making out with a woman, she may look more losely as she is not so eager to bury anything inside you. And I know quite a few trans women are lesbian, so that is something that also might occur.

[SadieBlake]

Cis women vaginas can be stretched trans can't ... So when the kids say women vaginas r 4-5 inches they leave out the rest bout how they coochie can be "STRETCHED ". Most probably don't come across huge dicks to be affected one way or the other

Knowing at least one trans woman who's given fisting demonstrations I think it's fair to say constructed vaginas can also be quite elastic. This said, some folks have more collagen in their skin than others and that's probably the bigger determinant and as far as I know the male pelvis has less room than a cis female's.

[Steph Eigen]

From what I read, given I do not have personal experience with a post GRS vagina either as the owner or grateful visitor, is that there are differences.  Visually, most are nearly indistinguishable by most save for physicians. 

One of the subtle differences can be the trajectory of the vagina within the pelvis.  Because of the differing anatomical male pelvis and structures (prostate, etc.) the angle of take-off of the post GRS MtF usually  differs somewhat from that of that of a cis woman.  Some post-op trans women describe needing to be careful to position correctly to accommodate the penis comfortably because of this difference.  I read that many prefer being on top for reasons of being able to control the angle of entry.

I suspect there is some potential to dilate more aggressively over the long term to achieve maximum diameter and possibly to a lesser extent the depth of the neo-vagina.  Tissues tend to respond to mechanical stresses quite well if done cautiously and very gradually.   

I genuinely wish I could provide more insight based on personal experience.  Not yet...

[Shelly Maree]

It's a hard comment to compare what is different or what is right. Everybody has things different on their body, including their private parts. With this topic it also inspired me to look at pictures of other viginas, not just girls like us, but cis also.

This is my thoughts only, but I do prefer the look of mine compared to some of the images available, as you possibly tell, I like what I have. Yes, it may not look as good as some, but actually who can set a benchmark for the perfect looking vagina.

i have only had the one post op sexual partner, whom we are still very active. Now that we have been together for a long time and are very comfortable with our bodies together, I have openly discussed with him on how "it" is. His comments make me feel wonderful as a woman. He has stated it is nice and tight, but he loves the way it feels on his penis. he cetainly has kissed it and licked it many times, so feels it looks right.

Our first few sexual experiences were a bit difficult and I had a lot of trouble in taking him. He was extreemly understanding and we gently got through this and he has been very supportive of me. He had never been near a girl like me before, just purely cis women only, but he is a wondeful man and accepts me as his girl.

Possibly the only other"difference" is that we do use lube. We both do like it very wet down there, We have had sex without, as I do produce some, but the lube is great. During foreplay I do get fairly wet, even before my panties are off, when he is playing around down there, and on approaching climax the fluid really starts to flow, I do not actually squirt as some people comment, but the juices really flow just before my climax peak and it feels really nice. But once again lube was not invented for girls like us alone, so this is possibly not a differnece, we just like wet, slippery sex

Initially after surgery my scars were visible, but nowdays it is very hard to see them at all. I do like to have a little hair down there, but I do keep it short and tidy, mainly because my man comments, he likes it that way. Another thing is that I do not show off my private parts. Apart from the initail surgical staff, my current doctor, the girls from the beauty parlour and my partner, no one else gets to see what's in my panties. I did show a couple of close friends on my return from surgery, but everyday life I do not even think about, but finally adding it is the best thing I have ever done

[Miss Lux]

Knowing at least one trans woman who's given fisting demonstrations I think it's fair to say constructed vaginas can also be quite elastic. This said, some folks have more collagen in their skin than others and that's probably the bigger determinant and as far as I know the male pelvis has less room than a cis female's.

Post op MTF fisting!!!??? Really!!! .... i doubt that one's anatomy and pubococcygeal muscle post op would allow that ...Oh Well i guess everyone's anatomy is different...  Btw it's not just skin & collagen that is giving the stretch limitation but the muscles and bony structures done there... It is fairly easy to stretch if it is just skin and collagen.....