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Started by Naomi71, October 23, 2016, 12:57:33 PM

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Naomi71

So I was warned it could happen at some point, because of the hormones: an emotional meltdown. I've been on HRT for three months now, but this was a first. A friend of mine described it as "menopause on steroids" and I believe that's what happened today. I was crying all the time for no reason whatsoever, at some point made the mistake to relate my emotional state caused by my own biochemistry  with other people and consequently took it out on the ones I love most; I was awful. Fortunately a friend of mine looked right through it,did some shopping, made me some tea and refused to take anythinhg I said seriously. By the end of the day I had calmed down again.

So my question: is there any way to avoid these kinds of meltdowns? And if not, what is the best way to cope? I had a few mild moodswings and just went in my "observer mode", watching my emotions from a little distance until they're gone, preferrably with a box of chocolates besides me and some Netflix bingewatching. Plus a bit of zazen meditation.  But today, I couldn't do that, the emotions were too overwhelming and I got all wrapped up in them. How can you channel that kind of intensity? My old tricks weren't working :(


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jentay1367

I feel your pain, Naomi. If you figure it out, let me know. It's like I'm inside watching myself be a total ass and can't do anything about it. It's just mortifying.
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Amanda_Combs

Quote from: jentay1367 on October 23, 2016, 01:30:55 PM
I feel your pain, Naomi. If you figure it out, let me know. It's like I'm inside watching myself be a total ass and can't do anything about it. It's just mortifying.
That's what I find so troubling.  The main reason I even want the hormones is because I'm so miserable that I'm lashing out at my family and can't handle every day stress. So to see that the same thing happens on hormones as well is a little disheartening.  Or is it still less bad on hormones?  Or maybe you grow more accustomed to it over time? 
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LizK

Quote from: Amanda_Combs on October 23, 2016, 02:52:25 PM
That's what I find so troubling.  The main reason I even want the hormones is because I'm so miserable that I'm lashing out at my family and can't handle every day stress. So to see that the same thing happens on hormones as well is a little disheartening.  Or is it still less bad on hormones?  Or maybe you grow more accustomed to it over time?

It is different on hormones...I crashed at about the 3 month mark when I realised that HRT wasn't going to take care of my Dysphoria on its own. My meltdown sounds very similar to Naomi. This is when you find out how good your support is. I am aware of the behaviour and also when the hormones are driving my emotions. I think it just takes time to get to know your body and how it is responding. I really enjoy the emotional side of things,,,its not like being a guy...its nice

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Amanda_Combs

Quote from: ElizabethK on October 23, 2016, 03:14:16 PM
It is different on hormones...I crashed at about the 3 month mark when I realised that HRT wasn't going to take care of my Dysphoria on its own. My meltdown sounds very similar to Naomi. This is when you find out how good your support is. I am aware of the behaviour and also when the hormones are driving my emotions. I think it just takes time to get to know your body and how it is responding. I really enjoy the emotional side of things,,,its not like being a guy...its nice

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JoanneB

Having a few years of Meltdown experience you can never go wrong with chocolate, followed by pop-corn. Aside from that it's crawl into bed with your Teddy-Bear and hopefully he won't complain about the wet fur. Hopefully come morning things will look better
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Naomi71

Quote from: jentay1367 on October 23, 2016, 01:30:55 PM
I feel your pain, Naomi. If you figure it out, let me know. It's like I'm inside watching myself be a total ass and can't do anything about it. It's just mortifying.

I gave it some consideration.

Most frustrating about it was that I couldn't get a grip on it. It were sudden impulses making me cry, creating a sense of confusion and a feeling of sadness. I start brooding about those feelings looking for causes inside some kind of negative mindset I normally don't have and started blaming others, fault finding with everyone, being all victimish.

So I've been practicing Buddhist meditation for the last 25 years and did manage to deal with strong emotions in that way. But it was a different set of typically male emotions I learnt to cope with: it was anger, aggression, arrogance, much more basic. I was also less responsive to negativity, when I still had measurable levels of testosteron in my body. Did some googling and found out that the presence of estrogen causes a higher suggestibility for negative emotions:

QuoteOverall, women reported being more reactive to the emotional images. Meanwhile, higher levels of testosterone were most frequently associated with lowered sensitivity to the images, while higher estrogen levels, regardless of the person's sex, almost always meant increased sensitivity.

Here's what i believe happened: because of the estrogen, I grew more sensitive to critical and disqualifying remarks by loved ones. So I already did feel slightly hurt by them, which was hugely amplified by what came as this unrelated crying impulse.

I need to better process that emotional suggestibility, which is new to me. Am studying the advice of the female Tibetan Buddhist teacher Jetsun Chimey, who discusses specifically female emotions.

Quote from: Amanda_Combs on October 23, 2016, 02:52:25 PM
That's what I find so troubling.  The main reason I even want the hormones is because I'm so miserable that I'm lashing out at my family and can't handle every day stress. So to see that the same thing happens on hormones as well is a little disheartening.  Or is it still less bad on hormones?  Or maybe you grow more accustomed to it over time? 

I think it's entirely different, which is why I can't deal with it yet. I wasn't so easily hurt by things in the past, instead they just p*ssed me off. It's more passive aggressive and just sad.

Quote from: JoanneB on October 23, 2016, 04:04:09 PM
Having a few years of Meltdown experience you can never go wrong with chocolate, followed by pop-corn. Aside from that it's crawl into bed with your Teddy-Bear and hopefully he won't complain about the wet fur. Hopefully come morning things will look better

Which is basically what I did in the end. Well, I had my cat with me instead of my teddy bear :)


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Naomi71



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Sophia Sage

Well, there's another way to process emotions besides trying to figure out how to repress them.  And that is simply to express them -- embrace them, feel them, let them do their work. 

Obviously, we don't want to have a crying jag at the grocery store, or dump them on people who are unprepared for them.  Find a nice private place, or a sympathetic friend, and just have them.  Pay attention to them, see what kinds of memories are associated with them.  We have emotions for a reason! 

Once they're not perpetually bottled up, I found they'd pass much more quickly, and were much less disruptive in my day-to-day life.  And hell, I had all kinds of emotions bottled up for thirty years -- of course they were going to come out like a dam bursting!  Over and over again, actually, especially during transition, because then I was finally having to face my dysphoria day in and day out until I did what I had to do to address it, which of course takes time (which is why it's called "transition" and not "a snap of the fingers").

Naomi, you have permission to experience all the emotions that stir within you.  This too is part and parcel of who you are.
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Anne Blake

Naomi, Yes, I hear you. The emotions come on strong with so little warning. I have only been on hrt for four months (as of today) so I don't have a lot of coping mechanisms in place. You mentioned what appears to be the down side of the swings. I expect that you will also be experiencing the irrationally up side swings as well. I can also relate to you mentioning the victimish response, yes, I know that one too.

I recommend a few tips:
- keep lots of tissues close at hand, I mean LOTS of tissues.
- collect and reward accepting friends, they are the ones that will have to take the brunt of it all. I have noticed that I usually can keep it together in front of those that hurt me and then break down with the ones that I love.
- I agree with the strong chocolate vote
- My wife has found that the best way to help me recover is to take me shopping when the crying stops. This is effective but often expensive.
- Finally, enjoy the ability to feel and cry. This is one of the most appreciated differentiators between my old guy self and who I really love being.

Bye the way, this morning I stumbled upon a group of folks that so openly accepted me for who I am that I let it loose in torrents for nearly an hour and a half.....wore me out but felt so good!

Anne
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Dena

The first time I was free of testosterone was after surgery and I had many things go wrong in my life so I didn't associate the loss of hormones with being emotional. It takes time but the sensitivity to emotions will drop. You will always be some what more sensitive to emotions but it's now acceptable to cry if you want to. Sometimes a good cry just makes things better.
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EmilyMK03

I always found these kinds of stories so interesting.  Why do these emotional breakdowns happen?  Is it really just because of the hormones?  If that were the case, wouldn't we be seeing cis women having emotional breakdowns all the time?

I haven't had any emotional breakdowns yet, despite being on a transitional dosage of HRT for 9 months (and living full-time for 4 months).  I wonder when it'll happen to me, or if it will happen at all.
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MeghanMe

But we do see cis women have emotional breakdowns, in their first year or two of puberty... seems like it takes some time to learn control, whether you're trans or cis.


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Sophia Sage

Quote from: EmilyMK03 on October 23, 2016, 11:17:13 PMI haven't had any emotional breakdowns yet, despite being on a transitional dosage of HRT for 9 months (and living full-time for 4 months).  I wonder when it'll happen to me, or if it will happen at all.

Did you have any meltdowns prior to transition, perhaps related to dysphoria?
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Tessa James

Quote from: MeghanMe on October 23, 2016, 11:24:30 PM
But we do see cis women have emotional breakdowns, in their first year or two of puberty... seems like it takes some time to learn control, whether you're trans or cis.

I agree with you big time and really do considered my transition a second chance puberty.  Way late but this time with the right hormones.    Our emotional development is one of the most fascinating aspects of transition.  I have the sense of greater emotional range and capacity, like going from black and white to technicolor.  One of my first meltdowns was more of a panic attack when I forgot my medication, another was what would have been a simple "get over it moment" that found me crying in a Dairy Queen.  I carry Kleenex more often now ;)  I like this emotional depth and am happy to feel MORE rather than being ready to just roll over, get angry or die.  Emotional compartmentalization doesn't happen as easy and that is ok too. 

How much do our hormones impact emotional development for each of us as individuals is more of the diversity we get to personally experience.  What a roller coaster ride eh?
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Naomi71

Quote from: Sophia Sage on October 23, 2016, 06:02:16 PMNaomi, you have permission to experience all the emotions that stir within you.  This too is part and parcel of who you are.

Yes!



I should just let it happen. My ex, (the mother of my son, we do coparenting) displayed the exact same kind of behavior the week before she started menstruating. Still in my male role, it used to annoy me to no end, because I felt that when you have emotions like that, a problem needs to be solved. It must be related with something. She always told me to just leave her be and when I didn't, she lashed out at me. To me it was just "highly illogical". She thought it was funny when I told her about my meltdown: "welcome to the club".

But I very carefully avoided the word "repressing" like you summarized and instead used "channeling". The problem isn't the emotion itself, but the fact it causes suffering to myself and others. In my Buddhist tradition (Vajrayana), we don't reject these emotions, but try to tame them and use them as fuel on the path to enlightenment. My "Yidam" (meditational Deity) is Vajrayogini... A female manifestation of the Buddha I've been practicing since 1997, because I sought out specifically feminine forms of practice - I've always been very gender dysphoric on a spiritual level-. She teaches to transform all mundane daily experiences into higher paths. Especially desire/attacfhment, but also doubt. It's a form of purification in which you identify with her and change your environment and your own emotional state by considering them to be aspects of Her (my) Mandala. It's how I managed to transform anger and aggression into love, arrogance into confidence (with *ahem* varying degrees of success). But this is new to me. I didn't have that kind of attachment with emotional impressions before and responded differently to them.

So I don't want to repress it, but use it as an opportunity. I just don't know how yet :)


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Naomi71

Quote from: Anne Blake on October 23, 2016, 06:52:23 PM

- keep lots of tissues close at hand, I mean LOTS of tissues.
- collect and reward accepting friends, they are the ones that will have to take the brunt of it all. I have noticed that I usually can keep it together in front of those that hurt me and then break down with the ones that I love.
- I agree with the strong chocolate vote
- My wife has found that the best way to help me recover is to take me shopping when the crying stops. This is effective but often expensive.
- Finally, enjoy the ability to feel and cry. This is one of the most appreciated differentiators between my old guy self and who I really love being.

Bye the way, this morning I stumbled upon a group of folks that so openly accepted me for who I am that I let it loose in torrents for nearly an hour and a half.....wore me out but felt so good!

Anne

Yes, we agree on the tissues, chocolate and friends. Also on the shopping bit. I went fulltime a little over three months ago and had to get myself a complete wardrobe, care products, extra makeup, dyed my hair ( with a bit of highlighting), pierced my ears, shopped for a full month. I had made a big list of things I'd do once I had the official "green light" for transitioning and finally did them all. It was such a rush.  Last week my psychologist was stunned by the amount of changes I went through in only three months time and love every second of it.

It's like I came out of jail after 40 years of solitary incarceration, walking around in a whole new world. The first month I felt euphoria, wonderment, joy, finally free to let me come to the surface and let go of my male act. But it's normalizing now and a whole new range of emotions is settling in, that have their downsides too.

You are so right about enjoying the ability to feel and cry. Before I went fulltime I was emotionally numb. Not giving in to my female identity and repressing that, I couldn't feel anything anymore. That definitely changed.


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Beth Andrea

Pretty kitty!

I'm a cat person too, but now we have a sh'tzu mix dog in our family...she is always right there with a paw and a snuggle whenever anyone gets upset. Very patient!

I see that as a sign of what we need to do when someone (including ourselves) is having issues...be patient, ride out the storm, and always remember "this too shall pass."

In the meantime, please pass the chocolate!!  :D
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SadieBlake

I've historically cried far more often than would be normal or acceptable for a male going back to grade school. I accepted this more readily when I realized I was trans and I've known more or less forever that I'm emotionally moved by things that hurt others.

Estrogen moved the bar. The first really strong tears came at just a month on HRT, I was watching an older Eddie  Murphy skit and as he hit some very sexually charged material I found  myself first in stitches laughing uncontrollably and then suddenly it was uncontrollable tears.

I like my emotions being more forward, years of practice allowing myself to feel whatever comes up make this not uncomfortable. It's maybe embarrassing when other people are around :-/. I see it as the price of admission and don't mind it, rather it feels good to be forced to ask myself "where is this emotion coming from?".
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Anne Blake

Hello Naomi,
Just a couple more comments;
I began to notice at about three month mark that I could feel, early in the day, that it would be an emotionally sensitive day. It wasn't the trigger, just a sense of susceptibility. If it became necessary I could stiffen up and ride out a lot of the emotional triggers....not that I often chose to. I would often warn my wife that it might be a wet day.

Second, I have been amazed at how accepting I am of emotional expression. This morning, walking home from breakfast, I was awe struck by the canopy of autumn colored leaves overhead and the fall detritus crunching under my feet. This is when I noticed susceptibility this morning. My youngest son spotted me on my walk and picked me up for a ride to the store. We sat and as talked of coming things and of his 9 year old daughter, I noticed a small stream of tears flowing from my eyes and making trails down my cheek. We kept talking and neither one of us was distracted or bothered by the emotional flow. But I was able to love every minute of it.

I hope that you too will be able to enjoy your diversions into this amazing realm.

Anne
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