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I'm not sure if transition is right...

Started by TheWalkingSadness, November 15, 2016, 08:23:28 AM

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TheWalkingSadness

I've been reading a lot and been feeling bad lately. I just joined here for this.
some time ago I decided in 4 or 5 years when I live alone I'll give hrt a try and then thing about what happens in the future (I'm 99% sure I won't pass). but during this time. I'm starting to feel bad about it.
I mean I don't see anybody talking about it logically. To be it sounds like people are divided into two groups that hate each other and fight each other like children, the ones who "support" and the one's who are "against" it. and I'm stuck here confused in between.

I mean I've read some stuff on the internet and they make sense, I mean I'm still a man, no matter what I do. I'm just lying to myself. my chromosomes and everything are the same... I don't see why gender should even matter to anyone, I mean i can do what I want despite my gender why should it even matter to me? I can still study science which is to be honest on the top list of the list about what's important to me in life. second is being nice and third one is marrying someone I would love for the rest of my life (the thing that scares me most. I could maybe live as a man as long as I'm busy thinking, But I could never imagine being married as a man. I mean even having sexual intercourse... I'm not a fan of it... but definitely can't do it as a man. that's just disgusting...)

instead of wasting money on hrt and wasting my time, I could work on making world a better place in a small lifespan I have. instead I have to waste it on these unimportant things. yet at the same time.. I can't get myself to forget or deal with it in anyway! I've never ever cared about what I am or anything like this. or basically never tried to "see how I feel". I've always lived it without caring. but now... I feel like maybe my depression is playing with me and making an irrational judgement. I mean I don't even know what I want. for some reason I'm constantly trying to find something wrong with transitioning. to be honest. I'm not religious or anything. but I constantly feel like if this is "wrong". and nothing will change with hrt. I'll just be lying to myself. I feel like i've fallen for something stupid on the internet. like bigfoot or lochness monster. earth being flat or whatever...

Honestly at this point after too much thinking I don't even know what I want or what is even wrong. it's like a mess
inside my brain at this moment :( can anyone help :?  I just feel like if anyone like Einstein or any smart person or a scientist would tell me it's OK I would feel better :S
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SophieD

I wonder if interaction with someone trained and with experience in helping people sort through these kinds of issues might be a worthwhile option?  Not to diminish your situation, but I am sure you are not the first to have to sort through the confusion, and maybe there is a therapist or counselor that could help you make sense of it all.
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TheWalkingSadness

I'm sure I'm not the only one, sadly I can't wait 5 years :(

I wish I could just accept it without thinking about it. but I can't

specially considering that there are not much science backing this up :(
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Katy

Undoubtedly you have already discovered that there a lot of kind and caring people here who really do want the best for you, but we are not a substitute for a qualified professional.  I would urge you to give serious consideration to the advice Sophie presented and seek professional help for the issues you shared.  Given the complexity of the issues you raised, you need expert advice with a professional therapist. 
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TheWalkingSadness

I guess I'll wait the 5 years then..... for a therapist... and even it's not for sure then... I'll also get even more ugly and old :(
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(I'm 99% sure I won't pass)

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KathyLauren

Quote from: TheWalkingSadness on November 15, 2016, 09:33:33 AM
I guess I'll wait the 5 years then..... for a therapist...
Why would you wait for five years to see a therapist?  Now is when you need the help, to figure out what you want.
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Mariah

definitely this. You need to work through things and sort through them to know really what you need and want to do. Hugs
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Quote from: KathyLauren on November 15, 2016, 10:42:32 AM
Why would you wait for five years to see a therapist?  Now is when you need the help, to figure out what you want.
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Jacqueline

Wow, I think I know how you feel. I was so uncertain just a little under two years ago.

I too was curious about the 5 years before seeing a therapist. I think you have a good number of things you may have to work through before anyone would suggest HRT at this point. I think they are so important to help you work your way through your thoughts and feelings. I did so much waffling when I first started...So why not start seeing a therapist.



For that matter, how attached are you to your facial hair? If you think you will head in some transition direction and don't want facial hair why not start getting rid of that too? In 2 years, you should be close to being cleared of facial hair.


One of the other members here often suggests that unsure people check out a few of the videos here



I also want to share some links with you. They are mostly welcome information and the rules that govern the site. If you have not had a chance to look through them, please take a moment to:


Things that you should read



Once again, welcome to Susan's. Look around, ask questions and join in.

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TheWalkingSadness

Quote from: Joanna50 on November 15, 2016, 11:25:47 AM
Wow, I think I know how you feel. I was so uncertain just a little under two years ago.

I too was curious about the 5 years before seeing a therapist. I think you have a good number of things you may have to work through before anyone would suggest HRT at this point. I think they are so important to help you work your way through your thoughts and feelings. I did so much waffling when I first started...So why not start seeing a therapist.



For that matter, how attached are you to your facial hair? If you think you will head in some transition direction and don't want facial hair why not start getting rid of that too? In 2 years, you should be close to being cleared of facial hair.


One of the other members here often suggests that unsure people check out a few of the videos here



I also want to share some links with you. They are mostly welcome information and the rules that govern the site. If you have not had a chance to look through them, please take a moment to:


Things that you should read



Once again, welcome to Susan's. Look around, ask questions and join in.

With warmth,

Joanna

Thanks a lot for your help. I have to admit that I feel more denial than anything.

Oh and I hate any kind of hair that's not on my head :) and eyebrows  of course! Faxial hair bring my worst enemy !!!
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TheWalkingSadness

Quote from: KathyLauren on November 15, 2016, 10:42:32 AM
Why would you wait for five years to see a therapist?  Now is when you need the help, to figure out what you want.
my family already  makes a lot of fun of me for being feminine. Imagine if I said I was transgender.... they would probably  go insane. They're  not the nicest and wisest  either.

I have to wait until I live alone or get out of my country. If things somehow do workout I'll be able to visit a therapist  in a year
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Paige

Quote from: TheWalkingSadness on November 15, 2016, 12:21:50 PM
my family already  makes a lot of fun of me for being feminine. Imagine if I said I was transgender.... they would probably  go insane. They're  not the nicest and wisest  either.

I have to wait until I live alone or get out of my country. If things somehow do workout I'll be able to visit a therapist  in a year

Just curious what country are you from?

If you wish to wait 5 years, you may want to consider anti-androgens while you're waiting.  They will prevent your features from getting more masculine but not make you feminine.  After 5 years on anti-androgens you'll be in great shape to start taking estrogen.

Good luck,
Paige :)
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TheWalkingSadness

Quote from: Paige on November 15, 2016, 01:05:35 PM
Just curious what country are you from?

If you wish to wait 5 years, you may want to consider anti-androgens while you're waiting.  They will prevent your features from getting more masculine but not make you feminine.  After 5 years on anti-androgens you'll be in great shape to start taking estrogen.

Good luck,
Paige :)

won't I need medical permission? I need to talk to my father then....

and I'm sorry but I rather not mention my country for safety reasons. I mean why on earth would anyone read this website?? but I still fear it...

EDIT: Evil thought, maybe I can buy some finasteride as an excuse for my hair loss? it is an anti-androgen I guess...?
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Annarko

Thanks Joanna50 for that video, I had not seen it!
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Denise

It sounds like you are still living at home which implies you may be in school.  Some schools have counselors that may be able to help.   

Possibly ask your parents for a physical, some excuse like it's required for after school activities.  Talk to the doctor then.

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Paige

Quote from: TheWalkingSadness on November 15, 2016, 01:22:51 PM
won't I need medical permission? I need to talk to my father then....

and I'm sorry but I rather not mention my country for safety reasons. I mean why on earth would anyone read this website?? but I still fear it...

EDIT: Evil thought, maybe I can buy some finasteride as an excuse for my hair loss? it is an anti-androgen I guess...?

Yes you would need a doctor prescription for anti-androgens.  Finasteride is not a true anti-androgen,  it blocks about 70% of DHT production but does not block testosterone like a true anti-androgen.

I'm not sure how old you are.  If you're still in puperty blocking DHT might have some advantages.  Not sure.

Either way.  Before embarking down any of these paths you should really talk to a therapist.  If you can't do it locally, you might want to try an online gender therapist.

Take care,
Paige :)
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SophieD

I think we are trying to understand your situation better to perhaps offer better advice.  Please do know that your confusion is normal.  I think many of us have had to sort through confusion of our own.  Also please know that it gets better as you learn more about transgender issues, and that there is good help and advice to make the issues something you can manage.  You are not alone.
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EyesOpen

If you're interested in the medical/clinical side of this, I found this to be quite informative:

http://www.avitale.com/developmentalreview.htm

She has a lot of other good information, too:

http://www.avitale.com/Essaylist.htm
http://www.avitale.com/TNotelist.htm

Quote from: TheWalkingSadness on November 15, 2016, 08:23:28 AMI just feel like if [...] a scientist would tell me it's OK I would feel better :S

Well, I have a PhD in chemistry, so I guess that makes me a scientist...

It's ok :)

What I've learned from the tons of research I've been doing over the last few months is that the current understanding of ->-bleeped-<- stems from our fetal development. Our bodies and minds start out female when they begin to develop, and eventually our XX/XY chromosomes cause our genitals to form. And that's all they determine.

After the testes or ovaries develop, they flood our prenatal bodies with testosterone or estrogen, respectively. This is responsible for everything else -- breasts, bone structure, body hair, etc; all of it comes form the hormones. For trans* people, something doesn't work out quite as planned -- the hormones aren't quite right, and parts of us, notably our brains, are affected. As our brains develop, the hormonal environment of the fetus plays a role in that. Women's brains function differently than men's, and have distinguishing characteristics. In the first paper I linked above, Dr. Vitale describes (and provides references to) clinic research where MTF transsexuals' brains were examined post-mortem, and found to have female, not male, physical characteristics. There are later studies where researchers were able to produce mice with transgender traits -- their brain structures showed characteristics of one sex, while they had the other sex's genitals.

At the end of the day, a transgendered individual's brain is not aligned to that of their sex, whether it's all the way to the other side (transsexual) or somewhere in between male and female (non-binary/genderfluid/etc). Psychologically this causes a lot of problems, which most people here know all too well. But physically, it's a rather tidy problem: The brain is simply working with a different testosterone/estrogen ratio than it expected. This is why HRT often relieves the dysphoria and improves our lives -- it shifts our brain chemistry to where it ought to be for proper function.

So, it's ok to feel this way. It's a legitimate medical issue and, despite how our cultures may judge us, there's nothing wrong about it.

I agree with the others -- try to find a way to talk to someone about it. Maybe a school counselor? Maybe there's a local LGBT safe-spot nearby where you could find someone to talk with? Try to find, and contact, a gender therapist in your area and explain your financial/family/etc situation. They may know of an option that might work (for instance, my therapist's office teams up with local student interns from a nearby university to offer gender therapy for as little as $10 / session).

Best of luck, and don't be afraid to talk with us here. We understand what you're feeling and can help.
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Annarko

Thank you EyesOpen, I am finding these links to be very informative!
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jentay1367

Quote from: TheWalkingSadness on November 15, 2016, 08:23:28 AM
I've been reading a lot and been feeling bad lately. I just joined here for this.
some time ago I decided in 4 or 5 years when I live alone I'll give hrt a try and then thing about what happens in the future (I'm 99% sure I won't pass). but during this time. I'm starting to feel bad about it.
I mean I don't see anybody talking about it logically. To be it sounds like people are divided into two groups that hate each other and fight each other like children, the ones who "support" and the one's who are "against" it. and I'm stuck here confused in between.

I mean I've read some stuff on the internet and they make sense, I mean I'm still a man, no matter what I do. I'm just lying to myself. my chromosomes and everything are the same... I don't see why gender should even matter to anyone, I mean i can do what I want despite my gender why should it even matter to me? I can still study science which is to be honest on the top list of the list about what's important to me in life. second is being nice and third one is marrying someone I would love for the rest of my life (the thing that scares me most. I could maybe live as a man as long as I'm busy thinking, But I could never imagine being married as a man. I mean even having sexual intercourse... I'm not a fan of it... but definitely can't do it as a man. that's just disgusting...)

instead of wasting money on hrt and wasting my time, I could work on making world a better place in a small lifespan I have. instead I have to waste it on these unimportant things. yet at the same time.. I can't get myself to forget or deal with it in anyway! I've never ever cared about what I am or anything like this. or basically never tried to "see how I feel". I've always lived it without caring. but now... I feel like maybe my depression is playing with me and making an irrational judgement. I mean I don't even know what I want. for some reason I'm constantly trying to find something wrong with transitioning. to be honest. I'm not religious or anything. but I constantly feel like if this is "wrong". and nothing will change with hrt. I'll just be lying to myself. I feel like i've fallen for something stupid on the internet. like bigfoot or lochness monster. earth being flat or whatever...

Honestly at this point after too much thinking I don't even know what I want or what is even wrong. it's like a mess
inside my brain at this moment :( can anyone help :?  I just feel like if anyone like Einstein or any smart person or a scientist would tell me it's OK I would feel better :S



If you have these kind of doubts, you're not ready.  This alternative is for people who are backed against a wall. If there is another alternative,  explore it. The only win here is your personal sanity. If that's not at stake, you're playing games. And  If your on hormones and these are your true feelings, you're

  playing Russian Roulette. 
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