Marketing the Androgyne I - Laying out your wares.

[cindybc]

Hi Zythyra

I really feel for you. I have not run into anything like you describe yet and I pray that it never will. I get along and interact with both males and females out there, but then when I'm out there I am just me, what is within. I run a couple of metaphysical meet ups here down town. I am a bit of a busy body and wouldn't know what to do with myself if I ever found myself idle. That scares me more then anything else. Also wanted to say, nice having connected with you.

Cindy   

[Shana A]

Hi Zythyra

I really feel for you. I have not run into anything like you describe yet and I pray that it never will. I get along and interact with both males and females out there, but then when I'm out there I am just me, what is within. I run a couple of metaphysical meet ups here down town. I am a bit of a busy body and wouldn't know what to do with myself if I ever found myself idle. That scares me more then anything else. Also wanted to say, nice having connected with you.

Cindy,

For the most part, I'm just me, and people respond to me as who I am. I've had various situations in which I could tell that guys don't know how to talk with me as I don't speak their language, and many times that other women talk and react with me as another one of the girls. The pain I feel of not being recognized is on a larger societal level, throughout human history we've existed, and had special roles in other cultures, but that doesn't exist for us in this modern world... at least not yet, perhaps things are changing for the better.

Likewise, it's wonderful connecting with you, I enjoy reading your posts of your unique journey!

Zythyra

[Simon]

Every now and then I feel like being female would make more sense but I know that if I transitioned I'd only be in the same boat in reverse.

But this is getting off topic (if you want to start a conversation in another thread, Cindy, I'd be happy to chat).

Since there's already a Wikipedia page for Bigender, that might be a good place to start work.  I'll create an account there and start a definition thread here and hopefully ideas will converge.

[Pica Pica]

got a feeling androgynes will never provide a wholly united front

[cindybc]

Hi Y2gender

I am not certain but it appears to me women are more open to accepting the none conforming or different then men do. But I have found that if you are working where there are both men and women. The women will take you in or accept you much quicker then the guys, but the guys eventually will accept you. I works as social worker for 20 years. the last seven years as the gender i present, female. I don't feel any different within but I do feel this gender is more comfortable. I only speak from my own experience and not anyone else's. I just wish there was something I could do that would help your situation.

Hi Simon
Of course we can start another topic if you wish. Sorry I didn't realize I was leading this conversation off Topic. Not very hard to get along with. 

Cindy

[RebeccaFog]

      Let's not become discouraged.  There will always be diversions.  We only need to remember to stay on target.

      I still need to come up with something too.

[Pica Pica]

Topics are meant to veer off.

I like them windy, especially when they went wrong places. I was only trying to start a little bit of clarification, but it turns out I was wrong about a few things. Hate it when that happens

Anyway, you can't be in the wrong place if your here

[cindybc]

Hi Pica pica, I am not looking to upset any apple carts, but if there is conformity to follow I will do so. But please even when and if this conversation is moved I still am interested in what you have to say. Actually I like it here in the Androgyne threads for now, I like the energy better here for now.

Cindy

[RebeccaFog]

Hi Pica pica, I am not looking to upset any apple carts, but if there is conformity to follow I will do so. But please even when and if this conversation is moved I still am interested in what you have to say. Actually I like it here in the Androgyne threads for now, I like the energy better here for now.

Cindy

We are the loveliest of all the Earth's peoples and full of love love love.  I think I'm trying to say our energy is love.   

[cindybc]

You bet sweets, love turns the world whether the world likes it or not. We all have the capacity to love, to give love which brings Harmony of the spheres of Universe. all is Oneness within the One.

Cindy

[Pica Pica]

Our energy is love?
I thought we existed on hate.
I suppose I better undo the man-traps.

[cindybc]

Hi Pica Pica
Silly, we are quite capable to send out love to others as well as healing energy. Man traps? I am afraid they wouldn't work on me, I am a woman.

Shhhhhhhhh don't tell anyone anyting, they sell women traps just across the street.

Cindy

[Shana A]

the last seven years as the gender i present, female. I don't feel any different within but I do feel this gender is more comfortable. I only speak from my own experience and not anyone else's. I just wish there was something I could do that would help your situation.

Thanks Cindy, I appreciate your support. When I did RLT, I felt very comfortable as female, way more so than I feel as male. There were a number of reasons for not continuing. Regardless of what gender I might present externally though, I always feel the same, I'm simply me. Probably should talk about this in a different thread though, it's not really on topic. Feel free to PM if you wish to chat.

Our energy is love?
I thought we existed on hate.
I suppose I better undo the man-traps.

LOL! I'm safe though, man traps can't catch someone who isn't a man 

To get back on topic, I'm feeling rather ambivalent about marketing at the moment. Recent threads remind me that even within our transgendered community, there are many people who don't believe in existence of more than two genders, and consider any of us outside the binary to be merely sitting on the fence in denial until we come to terms with and accept our transsexual reality. I'm going to go put my head under the covers and hibernate for a while... 

Zythyra

[Seshatneferw]

Our energy is love?
I thought we existed on hate.
I suppose I better undo the man-traps.

Nope. All we need is love, love: love is all we need.

Don't undo any of the gender-binary-traps yet, one day we'll catch someone and love em, too. We are the androgyne. Resistance is futile, you will be loved.

(Um, am I getting too tired here?)

  Nfr

[cindybc]

 

"Hee. hee,"Seshatneferw I love your interpretation of the borgs..

Well I can only say like some have said here I just feel inside that "I am me," I do know one thing and that is the soul that inhabits this body really cares for others. Most of my life I been working some type of support system as counseling for alcoholics, addicts, street people, rescuing moms and children from abusive spouses, and lastly for the past 10 years I worked as a social worker for Mental Health consumers.   

Since I retired 2 years ago I have been doing counseling online and even run a couple of message boards. I have for a very long time desired to be female and I have been female, as female as I can for the last 7 years. But as some so correctly put it on these threads is inside, we are just *me.* But I don't mind that because the *me* inside has much love and compassion and caring to share, and quite capable of humor, humor is an international language. Ok I think I managed to go way off topic again.

Hi y2gender

I believe your right about opening another topic, there is so much to learn and share and i do love doing both. Maybe just tittle the new thread. *getting to know who we are.* I will send you a PM in a few. Sorry I sometimes get the keyboard stutters, repeating the same thing. What id can be even more embarrassing is leave a letter out and you have a different word that you didn't need at all. So I will just warn everyone, I am not one of the best typists.

Cindy     

[Pica Pica]

man is also a generic term for humankind, just watch it everybody.

[Jaimey]

I guess if we wanted to be clear, we would have to agree that specific words are interchangeable or else string them all together like; androgyne/genderqueer/genderpoke/gender variant and so on.  Or, begin every article with the statement that "the term [term used] in this piece is meant to be entirely interchangeable with [alternate term 1], [alternate term 2], and so on.

I'm not saying we must do this, but that we must remember that our condition is unusual in that we have no standardized terminology to rely on and we don't want to misrepresent people who use different terminology and especially do not wish to alienate anyone.

Just a thought.


Rebio iguana

I think you're on to something, Rebis.  How about using the parts I marked in red in our entry? (polished, of course, but you get the idea)  I think we all pretty much agree with those statements. 

I think we are off to a good start, we just need to focus on the entry itself and remember that that's what we're trying to create.   

[RebeccaFog]

I think we are off to a good start, we just need to focus on the entry itself and remember that that's what we're trying to create.   

good thing you said that because I had forgotten.   

[Jaimey]

I feel like a school marm...

[cindybc]

Hi all
I just opened a new thread as was suggested to me.
Getting to know one another, androgyny talk.
Do drop in and have a chat.
Cindy