Quote from: Ypsf09 on February 12, 2017, 03:50:50 AMIf I were to ever get it redone, would you suggest filling the temporal, upper/mid region of forehead or to get more reduction of the browbone(if safely possible) or both.
Here's pics of my forehead 3weeks postop
http://imgur.com/a/phs7S
Do you think it's possible to bring my brow/forehead to a 0 or 1?
Wow, your look at 3 weeks out is spot-on, except for the swelling around your nose.
If you're really not happy with how things have progressed since, and you're going to do revisions regardless, I kind of like RubyAliza's advice about smoothing down the orbital rims, and a smidge from the glabella. If there's bone to smooth down, that is.
This might take it down to a 2, and I don't think you can go much further, and I mean that from a technical perspective. The other complicating issue is the rest of your skull and how your forehead joins up with it. Another reconstruction, for example, just isn't going to deliver; your forehead would end up so flat there'd be no
roundness to it. Too much straightness might bring up connotations of squareness in profile, and I don't think you want that.
There are three reasons to have any kind of revisions done, in my opinion. First, to address any latent gendering issues. You don't have any gendering issues, at least not externally at least. (Having everything done just to lose the ghost in the mirror is another thing, but you've already done that, so if you're still haunted by the ghost then that's something else entirely.) Second, to address complications from the original surgery, be they medical or aesthetic, particularly a result that looks "unnatural." Third, it's to pursue beauty for its own sake.
I have a hard time philosophically supporting the last position. In terms of all the things you've asked about, the only one that makes sense to pursue right now is the irregularities around your orbital rims. Starting by seeing how repositioning your eyebrows can take care of that.
QuoteDo you think I would look better in front view, if my nose bridge was thinner/sharper and nostrils more pinched/refined
No, I think your nose is already a 1, and about as close to perfect as you can get. There are very real risks to going after the nose again -- noses are not particularly hardy, and you don't want to compromise the integrity of the underlying structure.
Here, I'm at a 180 from the forehead -- if there's one thing I'd be adamant about leaving alone, it'd be your nose. Your nose is gorgeous. It should be a reference point for everything else, as far as I'm concerned.
QuoteThe Asian surgeons suggested lateral cheekbone reduction along with fat transfer/cheek implants. Do you think that would help?
Not significantly, no. It won't change your gendering.
Cheek implants look fake, imo. Fat transfer might be nice, but you're so thin, where are they going to get the fat from, and how will it stick around as opposed to dissolving? Plus, fat will migrate south over time, sagging due to gravity.
2cherry's thread on her FFS included some very interesting pictures on various techniques for the cheeks in terms of bone work, I'd look there to find out more about the technical details of the procedures. I wouldn't go for reduction -- this was something more like a repositioning of the cheekbones. Very artful. And this isn't very radical surgery, either, so I don't think it's unreasonable to consider just in terms of aesthetics.
QuoteDr Lee and other Asian surgeons suggested bringing the chin(either through sliding genioplasty or chin implant) a bit forward along with cheek implants than to get double jaw.
Do you think my chin can be enhanced more?
I disagree.
Your chin is right where it needs to be -- the lateral position of it is nicely aligned with your current profile. Moving it forward would exacerbate what you already have. It's trying to use sleight-of-hand, and I don't think it'll work.
Most chin implants and sliding genioplasties look fake.
QuoteI was referring to double jaw(push the jaw backward) to fix my mouth protrusion and mild overbite. That's what gives me a bit of that duck face look, lol. Also due to me trying to close my mouth, naturally my mouth doesn't close and lips don't touch each other exposing the upper teeth area. But I would want to avoid double jaw and only use it as a last resort only if the outcomes/benefits are significant not subtle.
Pushing the jaw back, rather than changing its verticality? That wouldn't mess with your proportions.
However, now we're in the territory where you're pursuing major surgery with many risks to chase
beauty. Your mild overbite is not a source of misgendering. So what's the motivation for pursuing beauty to such an extent? Insecurity, I believe. Which is understandable, given our situations.
But do not mistake insecurity for dysphoria. It's easy to conflate the two, trust me, but it's better imo to address insecurity through other means first. Like, spend a couple years living a woman's life, giving yourself some distance from trans spaces. See how the world responds to you without a narrative. Focus on other interests, rather than your body. And then see how you've grown.
If you're ever getting misgendered, it's not from your face. It'll be from your voice, comportment, social skills, or narrative. And these are all things that need to be addressed regardless of facial work, if you want to have a seamless experience of a woman's life.
Incidentally, pursing your lips does not help your beauty. There's an ease to beauty. Actually, most women have an "incisal show" when their mouths are at rest. This is normal. Some women have lip lifts just so that they'll have teeth showing when their lips are at rest. Plus, when you purse your lips, you're activating all kinds of muscles around your mouth -- you think you're hiding your overbite, but I think it exacerbates the "duck face" look. A relaxed smile that shows teeth is pretty.
And that might take working on your confidence, first and foremost.
You're at the point where you need to start thinking like an ordinary woman, rather than as someone who's suffered from a lifetime of traumatic dysphoria. What do most women with overbites do? Some will see dentists, get braces if need be -- that's what my mom did, actually, as a middle-aged woman at that. But most don't do anything, they get on with their lives and let people see the authentic invisible self, and use that recognition to determine who they want relationships with, be those relationships as girlfriends, lovers, what have you. You can't keep putting that off, or you're going to be missing out on the best part of life.
