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Advice from a wife on how to not blow up your marriage

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Paige

Quote from: randim on July 20, 2018, 03:35:26 PM
I think a strong relationship has light-years better chances of surviving than one with other significant issues.

Hi randim,

Yes this is probably true but it's not a guarantee.  My wife and I have had a very good relationship for 31 years, but if I transition she has told me there's no chance our relationship as a couple can continue, "she's not a lesbian".   Unfortunately some things can't be overcome even in the best relationships.

Take care,
Paige :)
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Donna

My wife suspected and asked many times over the last 14 years if I wanted to be a woman. Of course I always said no. But we have a good relationship and my transition is causing her to hate it and question us. She hates the lesbian aspect and the fact she married a male an she is gone.
Transitioning is going to be difficult at best and only the two individuals can make it work out. It takes a huge amount of patience and tolerance. We are still together and trying to make it work and I hope the best for others in the same place.
December 2015 noticed strange feelings moving in
December 2016 started to understand what my body has been telling me all my life, started wearing a bra for comfort full time
Spiro and dutastricide 2017
Mid year 2017 Started dressing and going out shopping etc by myself
October T 14.8 / 456
Came out to my wife in December 2017
January 2018 dressing androgenes and still have face hair
Feb 2018 Dressing full time in female clothing out at work and to friends and family, clean shaven and make up
Living full time March 1 2018
March T 7.4 / 236
April 19th eligard injection, no more Testosterone
June 19th a brand new freshly trained HRT and transgender care doctor for me. Only a one day waiting list to become her patient 😍

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SiobhánF

I don't think there is any thread of hope that my wife and I will stay married. I'm not one to force or compel someone to do something they don't want to do, so I respect her decision to not stay with me. It's her choice too, so let's not forget that spouses deserve to be happy just like we do. I wouldn't dream of taking decisions of self-determination away from her. It may suck, but it sucks for her too. Usually, when a spouse makes the choice to not remain in the relationship, it's because they've had their views the entire time about themselves and their relationships. In my case, she married a man and expected to remain married to a man and to raise our kids together as man and woman. By my transitioning, I have essentially taken her man from her and given her the choice to either be with a woman or leave that person.

Personally, I couldn't care less about whether the person I'm with were to transition to a man, or transition to a woman (depending on which direction they happen to be going), but that's me. I'm bisexual and I tend to love the person and their essence than simply what they are. I understand her when she says that she isn't a lesbian and that she can't be with a woman. I used to say things like, "You may be straight, but so is spaghetti until it's wet," but within context of our transitions, it isn't so simple for every person. I think we just need to have more compassion for our spouses and the situation we have put them in, that's all.
Be your own master, not the slave to illusion;
The lord of your own life, not the servant to falsities;
Only then will you realize your true potential and shake off the burdens of your fears and doubts.






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ItsAbiKay

This entire thread made for a fascinating read. It's a topic I've been struggling to really find any discussion on. There are so many brilliant points that I wish I had seen before I spoke to my wife. I made an absolute mess of coming out to my wife. I did it at quite possibly the worst moment I could have done and it didn't go well. We do love each other and she has forgiven me for this. The problem we now face (which I see as a common theme on the thread) is she's not a lesbian and doesn't want to be married to a woman.

I don't know if and how this is something we can overcome. As mentioned we love each a lot and we both have a big capacity for forgiveness but sometimes our marriage is a little volatile. Not violent but a fair amount of arguing and when it's good it's great. I can't see my wife taking it well if I tell her I want to transition. She is brilliantly supportive at the moment and encouraging therapists but I think it's because she thinks I won't feel this way anymore. I am starting therapy and will talk to them about this too and take it from there but I have a feeling I've a hard choice to make in my future. Break my marriage or live life unhappily. I hope it's not the case and we can have a happy ending but I'm not hopeful.

Thanks for listening.
Abi
Pre everything. Currently in Therapy and some day it might be Post everything
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wonderland

I wish I had seen this long ago. I feel so alone and it helps knowing that my feelings are valid too.

Unfortuantely in my situation, honesty was completely undervalued.  I still don't know the truth and don't know that I ever will. I feel as if I've been made to feel like a terrible person for not having a good initial reaction.  This post and conversation has really made me feel much better.  Thank you.
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Anjanette Miranda

Wow Thank you for this great post it hits all the right points and things to consider.
I am going to be more open with my wife about what I want and what I am thinking.
I have a very very bad time not expressing myself.  That is one of my greatest problems.
She tells me all the time that she is not a mind reader. We have to remember that this is going to affect the both of us and I think it's super hard for them.  I think I want to keep all my bits and pieces. But then I was reading about  cutting out  the twins that live in the apartment down stairs  that are always hanging around.and making things hard on me.
Lots of love....

AJ
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Paige

Quote from: wonderland on November 11, 2018, 01:31:44 PM
I wish I had seen this long ago. I feel so alone and it helps knowing that my feelings are valid too.

Unfortuantely in my situation, honesty was completely undervalued.  I still don't know the truth and don't know that I ever will. I feel as if I've been made to feel like a terrible person for not having a good initial reaction.  This post and conversation has really made me feel much better.  Thank you.

Hi Wonderland,

I've been labelled dishonest by my wife on more than one occasion.  I think she's finally starting to realize a couple of things.  Society has never been accepting of transgender people and many of us were taught from a young age to be ashamed and hide it.  In fact we were taught to be dishonest about this.

Now when you try and be honest but get a very negative reaction when you are, it's very easy to revert to old habits. Someone may say that honesty is the most important thing in their relationship but may not be entirely honest themselves in saying that.  They probably have other priorities in the relationship, that can make it difficult for the transgender person to be completely honest. 

I'm pretty sure my wife prefers not to hear me talk about me being transgender even though she said she wants to hear about it.  Her actions and reactions demonstrate this time and time again.  But if I do something without telling her, she has accused me of being sneaky and dishonest.

To be truly honest is hard.  You've may need to admit to each other that this long term relationship may need to end.  You may need to discuss how the relationship will end.  When nobody wants the relationship to end, and no compromise can be found, things get very tricky.   There's an elephant in the room and nobody is talking about it.

I think what this thread has demonstrated over and over again is that understanding is very important for both sides.  This isn't a walk in the park for anyone.

Take care,
Paige :)
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Fallen_Meteorite

Hi. I came out to my fiance of 16 years in January. Truthfully I've suffered with mental gender dysphoria my whole life but never realised it. You can read my thread in introductions for more insight. Unlike many transwomen who wish to fully convert, it is not my desire to convert fully but to align my mental gender with my body. I am somewhat of a two-spirit, male body, female mind.

However our sex life has faltered somewhat since 2017. I never had trouble with self-sex, but would get tired easily and had performance anxiety. So rather than talk to my doctor about low T or getting a little blue pill, I searched for herbal remedies to boost my male libido. Many of these contain phytoestrogen plant hormones and have similar effects on men and women. I also picked up a bottle of dhea and took it for a couple weeks, then ceased because some of the health warnings were scary.

Back to point, I've always been caring, effeminent, understanding to my fiance, basically the polar opposite of the alpha male jock types who abused her in the past, as well as other cis-gendered women who've shared personal stories with me of similar tales of sexual, physical, or verbal abuse.

I am blessed to have been both right and left brained dominant. AJ, the androgynous nickname I used as a child (not disclosing my given legal name), is severe adhd, borderline genius level analytical and spacial reasoning, introverted, borderline Ausbergers, dysgraphia, terrible at sports, loves dance music but can't dance to save his life, retro video game addict, and often has trouble relating to others.

My alter ego, Amber Jean (the name I assigned my newfound mental gender identify), is extrovert, caring, passionate, a poet, an artist who puts a feminine flare on everything she touches, relates well to women (reason why I could not relate to peers growing up, yet women I got close to shared deeply personal secrets with me), athletic, and immediately breaks into dance and song whenever any music is playing.

People speak of alter egos like a demon trapped inside them, whose soul and very existence needs to be stamped out. Well mine was an angel trapped inside a troubled boy's/man's mind. I have opened pandoa's box and there's no closing it now. Alicia Keys accapella B-track on her debut album Songs in A minor, "I know why the caged bird sings..." has become my swan song. The children's parable "the ugly duckling" resonated with me as a child. I was different, but never realized it until very recently.

My fiance and I have not always seen eye to eye, but since day one we've always been upfront and honest with each other, about everything. Even if truth hurts, it is better than lying or keeping secrets. I began experiencing late onset dysphoria around November 2018. I've been going through "midlife", "manopause" or whatever people call it these days. She warned me some years ago, "you're going to hit that midlife crisis eventually," and I brushed i off. She's 11 years my senior, has more life experience, and she was right...

So Christmas holiday was stressful. I got some royalty monies from my uncle's land sale, inherited a ceramic kiln from an elderly lady, and decided to start building a studio in he back yard. I found out I had hypertension, and my sedentary existence (despite having "manned up" and held a blue collar job at a local plant for the past year and a half) had me teetering at 300 pounds for the past couple years.

The stress and dysphoria caused even more bedroom anxiety. I was too soft, to tired to perform, confused about who I was, then there was that year old bottle of dhea sitting in my drawer which might increase my libido but might also result in feminization. I started taking them around the same time I started high blood pressure medicine. I stopped boozing at night, rid myself of crippling caffeine / energy drink addiction, drastically cut back my caloric intake, and began riding my mountain bike after work, 10-15 miles everyday. Also the weight loss pool at work. I've lost 30 pounds in two months (half a pound per day average). I am going to win that competition... 😎

I am getting ahead of myself. Stream of consciousness and insomnia, lol.

Self medication is not recommended and I do not encourage it, but it has worked wonders. My body became estrogen dominant. My fiance and I rarely kiss, but one evening late January in a smokey room at a bar, I looked at the woman sitting next to me and started making out. I had two beers that night, both fairly high proof craft beers, and unbeknownst to me at the tme, my body was already starting to transition. My tolerance for both alcohol and caffeine under the new regimen has dropped dramatically.

Alcohol impairs cognitive function, makes us vulnerable. It can also function as a truth serum. I kissed her on the forehead. "I need to tell you something."

"What" she asked.
"I love you."
"I love you too."

After about 30 "I love you"s, I finally came out.

"I'm not sure if I'm a heterosexual male, or a lesbian trapped inside a man's body. Does that sound strange?"
"Not really," she said, and rolled over to go back to sleep.

Neither of us smoke, but the bar was unbearable. Four bands were playing that night, but we left midway through the second act. I was hoarse when we awoke to goto church. Normally I would completely lose the top range of my vocal range when I get hoarse, and my speaking voice drops. This time, my speech was more of an effeminent squeak. I felt my Adam's Apple. It was shrinking!🤯

After church I asked her if she remembered what we talked about. She replied, "you just told me you loved me over and over." So I repeated it, completely sober. She said it was okay, just don't lose my "manliness."

Well fast forward a couple weeks and she was less onboard with the prospect, and visibly upset when she realised I was actively starting to feminize. I combined some phyto supplements with the dhea and got toxic. She had a function on Valntine's night, so we set the date for Friday.

I realise the OP said don't let stuff happen on important dates like Valentne's or Anniversaries, but I felt awful and spent the evening flushing supplements down the toilet. Crisis can happen on any day, special or not. On top of that, i was acting ridiculous at work, body of a 38 year old man, hormones of a 13 year old girl. I pushed my new vocal range too high too fast, and did an epic rendition of Blondie's "One way or another" in my car during lunch break. By 7pm that night, I had developed laryngitis and couldn't speak at all on Friday. I worked a full shift, keeping murmurs to a whisper and using nonverbal communication whenever possible, though it started coming back later that evening, just in time for date night.

Date night, Friday the 15th, was magical. I had reservations at the casino steakhouse. Hormones build up in fatty tissue. My estrogen had tapered to the point where I was a mature adult female mentally, not a raging hormonal teenager. Dinner was magical. Every bite was an orgasm of flavor in my mouth. I observed an interracial couple sitting across the restaurant. The woman had bright blue christmas lights around her neck and I remembered wearing a multicolor strand like that at Christmas. My fiance said, "I think it's her birthday or something."

The lady glanced in my direction and I instantly fixed my gaze back on my fiance. I was doing an observed behavior I've witnessed countless times among cis-gendered women but never fully comprehended: checking out the competition. As I gazed longingly into her eyes, a thought entered my mind. "I am so gay for her." We had a complementary bottle of wine with the meal and elected to take it home unopened rather than consume on the premesis. The roses I bought for her, I noticed I could smell them from across the room rather than stick my nose to the. No wonder women love flowers. The are pretty, smell nice, and add an ambiance even if they wilt and die after a few days.

Saturday, third day no hormones, we ordered pizza and opened the wine while watching a sleazy Argentinian romance on Netflix. A couple was engaged to be wed, and the bride's sister came with her boyfriend. Long story short, everybody had affairs with everyone. The groom was definitely a stud. I can say that even if I'm still attracted to cis-gendered women? She told me he looked like some guy I've never heard of. I told her he looked like Antonio Benderas, when he was still in his prime  not the old washed up version. Normally as male, I would dismiss such thoughts, but as a female, my thoughts are different. That sunday after church, I looked both actors up. I still believed the stud from the movie was more like young Antonio, but I digress. As a cis-hetero-male, I was a very poor judge of male physique. Now I don't need to be sexually attracted to appreciate.

Sunday afternoon, Feb 17th, the estrogen was worn off. My body was hormone depleted, and I felt lethargic. I promised my fiance I would quit the supplements, and talk to my doctor about low T. But that might make me like a jock. My mortal enemy in the schoolyard. I did not want to become what I hated. It was then that I realised if I followed her wishes and stopped now, I would suffer with dysphoria for the rest of her life. So I defiantly returned to the pharmacy and bought another bottle. She was st standing next to me as I checked out. I refuse to keep secrets from her. I will ask her opinion on something, she'll say "no," then I'll do it anyway, right in front of her. She caught me in the cosmetics isle at Walmart buying purple lipstick and told me to put it back. I placed it in the cart and checked out. She's watched me apply it in the car mirror. Presenting as androgynous or non-gender conforming in "safe" public spaces has been a confidence boost, for me.

She is pure cis-gendered hetro, and not on board with my progress. We have watched lesbian love scenes in adult films in the past, and she got turned on. However, having the man she fell in love with try to "present" as a woman in the privacy of her home, is a turn off. We still make love. We still bond and hang out. She sees herself as a dark queen and wants a dark knight. Well need and want are two different things. I've always been a white knight. Still am. "How can you be a white knight if you're trying to become a woman?"

"Joan of Ark was a knight in shining armour too."
"Yeah and she got burned at the stke," she added.
"She was a martyr. She died for what she believed."

She's expressed her dissatisfaction with my new "life choice," but it isn't a choice. She even said, "I want a whole man, not a half man." Those words stabbed my heart like a knife. Call me a man. Call me a woman. A dual spirit. I am a whole person, a complete individual, not half of anything, nor am I an "it." I correct her when she uses inappropriate language, but sometimes I feel it falls on deaf ears. My mental and physical genders do not align. She takes pills for diabetes. Something is out of balance; and a pill prescribed by a doctor fixes it. Hormones do the same. Correct an imbalance. However they do cross the blood brain barrier and as a result, one cannot feminize the mind without the body or visa-versa.

Eventually I'll see my therapist and get a recommendation letter so I can talk to an endicrinologist and get a prescription for real hormones. Until then, the dhea supplement half works. In the meantime, my body is estrogen dominant and slowly transitioning. The feminine feeling fades occasionally but I'm making progress. Exercise helps tremendously.

Again, I apologize for the wall of text posts. I love my fiance. I will always open doors for her, give her flowers. If anyone can recommend advice or how to do things or approach them differently, please let me know. She won't see her therapist. She won't see mine for a couple's session. She's opened up to two friends already. One of them tried to set her up on a blind date with another man (that did not go well, but I'll reserve judgement and thanked her for openly communicating this to me). Her neighbor laughed and did not believe her that I am trans. "He's just goin through a midlife. It will pass..."

Some friends huh? Many cis-gender people, even pro-lgb, do not understand trans...
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GinaG

This thread has really helped me.  Thanks to everyonr.

I told my wife a week ago.  That I am  a transwoman.  It wasn't totally news, but she was shocked.

She has been great. Trying to understand. Really caring.

At first. I felt it was ll about my pain, fears.  I started to listen.  She has her fears too. But her courage in facing and expressing her feelings reinforced my love for her.

It is a day to day adventure.  We are in this together.  In realnterms closer than before.
My walls of denial are down.  This morning she asked if she could be honest in expressing her fears, then told me of her concern about her family reactions.

One thing we talked about. How would I have reacted if she announced she was F to M.
I knew immediately more of her position.

Gina
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LizK

Quote from: GinaG on March 10, 2019, 01:29:29 PM

One thing we talked about. How would I have reacted if she announced she was F to M.
I knew immediately more of her position.

Gina

@GinaG

Hi Gina

From my experience this last part is very important. If you can view it from your wife's point of view then you will go a long way to helping keep things intact. Much will depend on what you now both want...however having that insight as a basis, for how you look at the way your wife is responding, is going to make a big difference if you respond accordingly.

Good Luck

Liz
Transition Begun 25 September 2015
HRT since 17 May 2016,
Fulltime from 8 March 2017,
GCS 4 December 2018
Voice Surgery 01 February 2019
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Fallen_Meteorite

Some of the things to expect from a heterosexual wife:

When I first came out, she thought it was a drunken rant, but it wasn't. She called me names which hurt  but I gently corrected her.

Fat redistribution and a more effemininent voice were among the first changes. Yeah they say the voice doen't increase in pitch or resonance much, but mine has, a lot. Tenors will have more headroom for improvement than basses. I'm an Alto now after only two months of supplements.

The fat redistribution thing. I asked her to touch my breasts, and she reached out like a child at the haunted house sticking her hand into a bowl of fresh spaghetti. "Eww," and immediately retracted it. Your torso may look a bit strange at first. Maybe because my breasts are no further developed right now than a  11-12 year old girl. This would weird anyone out.

Also don't pressure her to touch you but be her friend and romantic companion. The touching will resume during lovemaking, assuming it's still on the cards. I am not suppressing testosterone at all so I can "perform" as a male. Having a female captain at the helm has its benefits. You will find new ways to please her as you explore your own triggers. A woman's body is incredibly complex, and genetic males have all the neural connections that women do, even if the equipment is different. Sometimes in the privacy of her home, I'll sit and explore myself. This weirds her out too, but I have to learn my new triggers.

Pheromones are another deal. I am attracted to cis-gendered women. My groin and armpit areas started to smell more like her than the old me. For me, this was a turn on to become aroused by my own scent, but a turn off for her. She still misses my smell.

While my love for her is unchanged, speech patterns and mannerisms are different. We have 16 years of memories together, yet she fells she doesn't know me anymore.

As a cis-male, I would have been off put had she began to bulk up, grow body hair, and a deeper voice. But now I am going through transition, I could see myself going for it. She is not, however, and I would prefer it that way.

Do not isolate yourself or hide truths from her. Be honest, even if it hurts. It will do less damage in the long haul. I've done things after she's told me "no," but I will not try to hide it or play coverup.

Maybe this helps, I don't know. Every spouse reacts different.
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Rae321

I've read this post a few times, and the attendant responses, and I find myself contemplating it's message daily. Yet I still can't shake the feeling that I'm standing 25 feet inside a very very large minefield wearing a blindfold trying to decide where to jump based on the future price of Vietnamese rice in the London market as sold on the New York exchange by a day trader in Belize. This is all so perilous and scary and everyone else's maps say "you can make it to the other side if you're very careful and considerate and loving and a little lucky, but don't expect to have ALL your limbs when you get there!" I guess we can't have our cake, eat it too, and expect to be skinny when it's done. :)  Thank you for writing this, and thank you to everyone who's added to this post. Your insights are invaluable to me.

I think I'll go hug my husband and try 'listening' to him right now.
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AvaNovum

These are all excellent points and I suspect if you looked at most relationship self help books these will present themselves in various flavors.  Relationships take hard work but the fundamental building blocks of Trust, Honesty, Forgiveness,  Understanding, Respect, and Love should be second nature to us all.
For those in relationships these are wise words in my eyes.  Try to share, try to include your significant other as much as they are comfortable with, Make them part of your growth and healing as your true self unfolds. 
Understand there are no guarantees.  You can do everything right and things may still explode but there is some solace in knowing you tried.
Most of all Love Yourself 

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JanePlain

Quote from: KathyLauren on February 18, 2017, 06:59:20 PM
I see the domestic roles as separate from gender identity.  My wife's and my roles in the household are fairly conventional, just because that's the way it worked out years ago.  While I wish to be seen as a woman, I am still going to do the "guy stuff", because I am good at it, because I always have, and because there's no need to disrupt our lives any more than my transition already is. 

Our lesbian neighbours also divide up their domestic roles along traditional guy/girl lines and no one questions their identity as women.

I don't think that "wanting to be seen as a woman" in any way invalidates my identity as a woman.  That is just a trick of semantics.  It is shorthand for "wanting to be seen as the woman I have always been." 

Roles aside, my wife does treat me as a woman, to the extent that is reasonable in my current part-time presentation.  No doubt, that will be a shifting target.  We go clothes shopping together now, and have a lot of fun doing it.

I probably would earn a failing mark in "traditional" transexuality and relationship roles.  My wife was never "Susie Homemaker" and this was a strange oddness in our relationship.  She doesn't cook or clean and if someone from the outside shows up (Thanksgiving) it causes her a lot of distress.  My parents took me aside and told me she has to have something to do because she feels bad that she isn't doing traditional role stuff. 

I suppose this was maybe an appeal?  Or is it opposites attract?  I really don't know.  She certainly has an open mind about people who are gay (Relatives who are out) and when a friend was going through transition (mtf) we went to dinner, got invited to the wedding etc. 

I want to thank again the starter of this thread.  its good to hear a perspective of a wife who has been through the mill so to speak.  The discussion of suicide makes me very upset.  I deal with some depression / anxiety but self destruction isn't on my problem list.  What concerns me are the wives of Transgendered people who are!  I'm sad and a bit ashamed that didn't read on my radar.  I know things aren't as bad as they were 20 years ago (or 30 or 40) when this was all ascribed to being a mental illness.  But thanks (I think) to gay folks this is finally being looked at as something else.  And to jump off topic I tried researching this as a medical issue and find articles on male versus female brains and how prebirth chemistry wires the brain one way and the sex organs the other.  I also find really angry outraged people who seem to think that what you are "assigned" (hate this term) is what you are and they have the xx xys to prove it.  Sigh... I think this would be so much easier if this was all dealt with earlier in life.
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JanePlain

Quote from: Lea L on December 22, 2017, 07:31:53 PM
Has anyone succeeding in talking their spouse into therapy/counseling after they have repeatedly refused?  My wife of 14 years has always suffered from severe depression, and has refused therapy repeatedly on her own or as a couple. I have always been her rock, but now that I am ready to finally address some of my issues I don't think I will be able to rely on her in the same way. How can she help me when she still has so much left to work through herself?

I just want to say how much I hope your wife will look into therapy or therapy / medication whatever helps.  Having to deal with mental health issues aside from anythings else is horrible and no one should do it without some support.  Is there anyway you can maybe sit down and talk about how these things can make you miserable and unable to function?  Then once she has some support network in place you can more easily work out the complicated baggage of one of you  being trans?
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Vethrvolnir

Quote from: BT04 on December 22, 2017, 11:02:11 AM
As it looks like transition is becoming more and more likely in my near or distant future, I'm glossing over this every once in a while as a reminder. A few things in it sound like no-brainers - ie communication - but it's easy to forget to talk everything through before you up and do it or start making plans.

The role-taking thing was an eye-opener, though. This current leg of my trans explorations actually came about when I realized I was a BDSM switch instead of just a submissive, and that made him nervous about what his kink role in our marriage would be. As it turns out, my dominant side went entirely hand-in-hand with my masculine side. So not only did he have to contend with the idea that his sub wanted to beat somebody up, but also that his sub wanted to be a man while doing it. I do sense that he is very anxious about what it will mean to be a straight husband in a marriage with another man - it'll be necessary to assure him that I won't want to compete with him, that I won't want to "out-husband" him, that I'll still want him to kill the spiders while I do most of the cooking and cleaning. Our domestic and BDSM roles won't change, and I'm not gonna go all 'bro' on him... well, at least not a lot.

Maybe I can get him to write a corollary to this when all is said and done: "Advice from a husband how to not blow up your marriage"

So how are you now doing Seth? I think you are much like me. And my partner has similar worries. Although our roles and tasks have never been gendertypical and he is a switch and so am i  he is afraid of me being a male physically. Very much so. Even though i am i tiny human. I still apparently frighten him should i have a cock. Strange.
Mostly human
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F_P_M

I'm fortunate in a way to be married to a fellow bisexual but even he's struggling a bit and it frightens me. he may be bi, but he's never actually BEEN with a guy despite having a few crushes. To go from a lifetime of straight relationships straight into gay marriage is... well, a big deal I suppose.

I suppose i'm more laid back in that I don't much care about gender and if he turned around and told me he wanted to be a girl i'd take him out shopping and we could learn to "girl" together (Because i'm super terrible at the whole girl thing, you know, not being really female hahah) but I suppose it's easy to SAY that when you aren't experiencing it.

to his credit he's been pretty good and supportive, but he falters sometimes and I see in his face he's uncomfortable with a topic or an idea.

and that worries me, because I worry forging ahead will lose him, that he'll no longer find me attractive. That he'll realise maybe he's actually not bi and super straight after all (straight people honestly freaking bewilder me but that's a whole other matter)
Those fears make me reluctant to push forward, take baby steps rather than big strides, seek compromises that I think I can live with.

And that's sad but I suppose that's partnership isn't it? Compromise and empathy.

Transition isn't just about me, it's about him too. His whole identity will change just like mine will. He'll no longer be "the man of the house", no longer have straight white guy privilage (I told him I felt bad about taking that from him). He'll suddenly be part of a marginalised group and experience prejudices he never previously had to experience.
I mean it's a pretty safe place to be as a straight passing bisexual.
Not so safe when everyone assumes you're gay.

His life is going to change just like mine, or relationship will change, our sex lives will change. Much as I like to believe things won't be that different, ultimately the very way we interact with the world WILL. We'll no longer be able to travel to certain parts of the world, no longer be able to show affection in public so easily, we'll get funny looks when out with our children. it's going to be a challenge.

I keep reminding myself not to take it personally when I get excited and he gets scared. Not to get too upset if he just can't handle something at this exact moment. It's hard, but I have to try because ultimately, we ARE a partnership and I cannot do this without him. He's my rock and my best friend, I would never wish to hurt him in any way.

This journey will be long and filled with trecherous terrain, but I want him by my side, even if that means I have to hold back and wait for him to catch me up a little.
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Vethrvolnir

Thank you for writing this.
My situation is similar. I recognize much of this.
There are so many unknowns. Having no idea how he will respond despite going slow is hard.
Worries about no longer being attracted / attractivewith every change almost every day.
Weighing uncomparable things against each other  that keep changeing weight all the time.
( meaning the value of components of hapiness weighed against each other...but except these things are also not separate  really but inter  twined... it's a nightmare) I hope we can stay together.  . But then  why change how i look. But I want to ..... Etc. Etc.
Mostly human
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