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Amoré

Quote from: RobynD on March 28, 2017, 10:41:04 AM
You are a better person because of the choices you made to be your authentic self, your daughter will see that. You did not end the relationship she did and did it an abusive way no less. Your boyfriend sounds really great and supportive.

Definitely agree on focusing on him and focusing therapy on dealing with her. Sometimes we tend to be attracted to people that treat us badly for a number of reasons including the thought that our love can change them into the person we want them to be, and that past wrongs can be made right.

Eventually bumping into her, her and her boyfriend, or even meeting her for a coparenting meeting should not be painful. Hopefully she will get help for her wrath so that a healthy relationship can exist. My boyfriend still calls his family including his ex "family", they still get together for holidays and have meals together etc. It was not even close to that cordial or loving when they split, so there is an example of people deciding to be healthy.

I can't explain why my brain wants someone that hurt me in such bad ways it is like forbidden fruit it just wants it. It fogs my logic of what is really going on around me and giving my all to a person I am with. I don't know how he takes it. He gets angry at me sometimes because I am stuck in the past and stuck on her.

I don't know if my ex did all this things to me because she is hurting maybe I can't explain it. I looked in her eyes on sunday and I saw hurt. I know she loved me more than anything in this world as a man, but she could not be with a woman. Even if I did not transition just having dysphoria was enough for her to head for the hills. She kept on repeating that I hid it from her so long and that she can never trust me again.

It makes me extremely sad that I had to lose her in this way.


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RobynD

Quote from: Amoré on March 28, 2017, 11:13:11 AM
I can't explain why my brain wants someone that hurt me in such bad ways it is like forbidden fruit it just wants it. It fogs my logic of what is really going on around me and giving my all to a person I am with. I don't know how he takes it. He gets angry at me sometimes because I am stuck in the past and stuck on her.

I don't know if my ex did all this things to me because she is hurting maybe I can't explain it. I looked in her eyes on sunday and I saw hurt. I know she loved me more than anything in this world as a man, but she could not be with a woman. Even if I did not transition just having dysphoria was enough for her to head for the hills. She kept on repeating that I hid it from her so long and that she can never trust me again.

It makes me extremely sad that I had to lose her in this way.

Her being hurt is no excuse or justification to abuse you. We all get to choose how we deal with hurt and change in our lives. She made the boundary that she could not be with a woman ( or goodness, even someone with GD) without even trying, and it is ok to have such boundaries but it should not have triggered the other activities. Love should be as unconditional as possible, and even if you did not remain together, she owed it to you to be as loving and as kind through the change as possible. She also owed it to your daughter as her mother.

Try and take care of your boyfriend in this process (i am sure you do). He has emotional needs and fears like we all do.


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Quote from: Amoré on March 28, 2017, 11:13:11 AM
I know she loved me more than anything in this world as a man, but she could not be with a woman.

Sometimes we say that we love someone more than anything else in the world, but in fact we are in love with an idealized image that does not exist anymore or sometimes never existed at all.

What ifs doesn't bring you anywhere, I think you need to accept - I know it can look almost impossible - that she is not the woman you fell in love with anymore or never was.

Try to make a list of good and bad traits of her, at least for me it was very helpful way to find out that I'm much better of without her, she sucked me dry of all my energy like a lich.
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Asche

Quote from: Amoré on March 28, 2017, 11:13:11 AM
I can't explain why my brain wants someone that hurt me in such bad ways it is like forbidden fruit it just wants it.

I hear you.

Thirteen years ago I divorced my wife because being with her was so toxic I wanted to die.  But I still care about her, I still wish that somehow she would change so we could be together again, even though I know it will never happen.  I feel like I was an animal caught in a leg-hold trap who chews off their leg to get free.  I still have to keep my distance -- "maintain my boundaries" -- and I know if I ever allowed myself to get closer, it would be just as bad as before.

Yet I still wish.  I miss her.  When I'm alone in bed, I wish I could be cuddling her.  When I've been away from her long enough, I start to imagine that it wasn't that bad.

But I know it was.  I know it was worse than I thought at the time.  We are both better off apart.


Quote from: Amoré on March 28, 2017, 11:13:11 AM
It fogs my logic of what is really going on around me and giving my all to a person I am with. I don't know how he takes it. He gets angry at me sometimes because I am stuck in the past and stuck on her.

I think this is normal.  It takes a long time to recover from a divorce.  Your (male) friend needs to recognize this and if he can't be with someone who is still recovering from a painful divorce, he needs to let you go.

Quote from: Amoré on March 28, 2017, 11:13:11 AM
I don't know if my ex did all this things to me because she is hurting maybe I can't explain it.

Does it matter?

Sometimes you just have to walk away and let time heal things.  (FWIW, this is sometimes called 'women's wisdom' -- you can't control things.)
"...  I think I'm great just the way I am, and so are you." -- Jazz Jennings



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Thessa

I just stumbled over something on Pinterest:
"You gotta stop watering dead plants"

This resonated with me and I had to think about you and a lot of our sisters in similar situations.

We try to water the plant in hope that it will bloom again but sadly it will never again.
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Rachel

Amore,

I say to myself it is much better for her that we divorce.  I also say I can grow and be myself without her and we are better going our own separate ways. This is a true fact. I repeat it when the thoughts or feelings creep back in.

I can not change my past and I am learning to live in the present.



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Amoré

I went to my therapist last night and some interesting things came up. Well I am mourning the loss of my ex wife for the first time now apparently from that this no contact started. I used contact as a crutch to overlook the pain of the separation.

I also want my old bubble back where I was a man and that was chapter one chapter two is where everything broke down and all went to hell. I am overlooking that in a way and only see chapter one and want chapter one without recognizing chapter two. I am living chapter three now I want and idolize chapter one. I want that old wife back that old life where I once was happy and I am denying myself happiness now because I see that as happiness.

She also complemented me on how I look and said I was the most beautiful trans woman that she ever saw and said how the receptionist that was a beautition freaked out about how beautiful I am.  :o



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Amoré

I guess a part of it is because I feel the story is not finished but the book have been closed.  :'( :'( :'(


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Thessa

The book isn't closed, just the first and second chapter and it's up to you to write the next chapters and bring the book to a happy end! [emoji4]
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Amoré

Quote from: Thessa on March 29, 2017, 02:43:50 AM
The book isn't closed, just the first and second chapter and it's up to you to write the next chapters and bring the book to a happy end! [emoji4]

You are so right about this actually.


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LiliFee

Quote from: Amoré on March 28, 2017, 04:56:59 AM
Who of you became your true gender and can really say you are much more happier today in your new life with a new partner?

I'm sorry for things happening to you like this, this sounds like more than any person should handle. Sadly, it does. As you're living far away and I've got no idea who you are except from the heartbreaking posts you've written in this topic, I'll try to tell you a bit about me, and relate that to you. Ok? We'll get through this girl!

So... To give you a bit more of an introduction... My ex and I separated a month ago, after having spent the last five years of our lives together. She was (and in many ways still is) the love of my life. There has never been anybody who I loved more, and I'm not sure there will be somebody like that in the near future. We planned to have children, already got a nice place together and living the life. We had this long distance relationship the first two years, living 200km apart and seeing eachother in the weekends. After I came out to her, we took a while to let things settle, and after doing that, she moved to me and we got our place. The first year was hard, with my transition kicking off and her not having a job yet here. During this year, there were aready some cracks in our foundation, but the first major bout telling me it was to go wrong was when I had my sperm frozen. We went to the clinic together since this would be our only way of having babies, and as the doc described the whole thing I guess it dawned upon her.

For me, being in the clinic and listening to the doc telling us about the possibilities was in fact an elation. I had been on HRT for 12 months already (couple of years before), and there was a big possibility I coudn't conceive even if I wanted to. Actually, that always used to be my assumption. When we were there the immediately tested it, and to my surprise, everything was, as they aptly put it, nominal. So for me that was when I heard our dream could become true; babies! For her, it was the opposite though. She finally started to grasp the reality of it, seeing the doctors, the labs and the needles; her reaction being disgust and weariness. After getting outside, I couldn't contain myself and be happy (literally jumping around) and she just started to cry and shout. This effectively blocked me from living my happiness, she never really gave me the chance to enjoy this news actually.

In effect, this was the first big thing that told me we wouldn't make it. That we were going in opposing directions, that our paths were to separate. We still held on another year though, but last summer we finally decided to split rooms and break up. The actual move was a month ago, and I can't tell you how horrible the whole thing made me feel. Like... Falling into an endless hole, somebody pulled the rug from under me and I'm left to my own devices. Being a woman, yes, but also being damned lonely and I keep finding myself dreaming about her, wanting her with me, and sometimes doubting what life would have been had I stayed and not transitioned.

It's like this endless merry-go-round, my emotions going from wanting to split to protect myself, to loneliness, to hearing the echos of the past, getting in touch again with her, reliving the desire, and finally wanting separation to protect myself from the hurt. How do you let go of the person you should have gotten old with? How can it dawn on you, that life has taken a turn and you will never find that past again? Even though I know in my bones this wasn't a good relationship for us, my heart is still aching to have her with me. To feel her again, to have her warm body with me and for us to listen to our stories in bed at night.

Perhaps it is the impression of who she was for me, that's driving me mad. The echo she left, the person I thought I had with me. But: in the end, this is not her. These are the footprints of her in my life, the part of her soul that's stuck in mine. She decided to move on already, and so did I. We both had to, because staying where we were would have hurt us infinitely more in the end. Even though there was this impression of safety, it was a false promise in the end. No good could ever have come from it had we stayed together, like frogs slowly boiling to death. But still, I saw her yesterday again, and the merry-go-round got another spin. The desire is back, and I can't stop thinking about her. Knowing full well that it'll in turn invite the pain, and force me to relive the separation all over again.

You know what I think? This merry-go-round is what kept us together all of these years. It's the sum of our love, our ambitions and our desire together. There's no way this thing will just stop spinning, it slowly needs to grind to a halt. Yes, that does mean more pain, but perhaps this way of processing a loss is also a way of protecting myself of something much worse. Of going insane. Even though, it's painfull as hell and it's been draining me for the last years. But every time it spins, I do get the ability to let go a bit more. Of stepping back and gasping for some much needed oxygen.

So... that's where I am now. Just moved to my own place, and I actually gave myself a treat: non-disclosure! I've been on HRT for a while now, and can live with a closed narrative. In turn, the splitting with my ex and moving into this new place did open a new chapter in my book: a way of experiencing life the way a cis-girl would. Does that make me happy? Hell yes! Perhaps it's the treat I needed to get through this dark winter, it definitely gave me the strength to see this all through. And; with my SRS coming up in 4 months, things are only going to get better. There is no turning back to whatever I had, but perhaps that's not the way to go. My ex and I still meet, and the more she sees me, the more we realize this IS the way to go. Pain, yes. But it's the letting go that enabled me to step into this new phase of my life. Every ending holds a new beginning :)

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Amoré

Quote from: LiliFee on March 29, 2017, 03:21:50 AM
I'm sorry for things happening to you like this, this sounds like more than any person should handle. Sadly, it does. As you're living far away and I've got no idea who you are except from the heartbreaking posts you've written in this topic, I'll try to tell you a bit about me, and relate that to you. Ok? We'll get through this girl!

So... To give you a bit more of an introduction... My ex and I separated a month ago, after having spent the last five years of our lives together. She was (and in many ways still is) the love of my life. There has never been anybody who I loved more, and I'm not sure there will be somebody like that in the near future. We planned to have children, already got a nice place together and living the life. We had this long distance relationship the first two years, living 200km apart and seeing eachother in the weekends. After I came out to her, we took a while to let things settle, and after doing that, she moved to me and we got our place. The first year was hard, with my transition kicking off and her not having a job yet here. During this year, there were aready some cracks in our foundation, but the first major bout telling me it was to go wrong was when I had my sperm frozen. We went to the clinic together since this would be our only way of having babies, and as the doc described the whole thing I guess it dawned upon her.

For me, being in the clinic and listening to the doc telling us about the possibilities was in fact an elation. I had been on HRT for 12 months already (couple of years before), and there was a big possibility I coudn't conceive even if I wanted to. Actually, that always used to be my assumption. When we were there the immediately tested it, and to my surprise, everything was, as they aptly put it, nominal. So for me that was when I heard our dream could become true; babies! For her, it was the opposite though. She finally started to grasp the reality of it, seeing the doctors, the labs and the needles; her reaction being disgust and weariness. After getting outside, I couldn't contain myself and be happy (literally jumping around) and she just started to cry and shout. This effectively blocked me from living my happiness, she never really gave me the chance to enjoy this news actually.

In effect, this was the first big thing that told me we wouldn't make it. That we were going in opposing directions, that our paths were to separate. We still held on another year though, but last summer we finally decided to split rooms and break up. The actual move was a month ago, and I can't tell you how horrible the whole thing made me feel. Like... Falling into an endless hole, somebody pulled the rug from under me and I'm left to my own devices. Being a woman, yes, but also being damned lonely and I keep finding myself dreaming about her, wanting her with me, and sometimes doubting what life would have been had I stayed and not transitioned.

It's like this endless merry-go-round, my emotions going from wanting to split to protect myself, to loneliness, to hearing the echos of the past, getting in touch again with her, reliving the desire, and finally wanting separation to protect myself from the hurt. How do you let go of the person you should have gotten old with? How can it dawn on you, that life has taken a turn and you will never find that past again? Even though I know in my bones this wasn't a good relationship for us, my heart is still aching to have her with me. To feel her again, to have her warm body with me and for us to listen to our stories in bed at night.

Perhaps it is the impression of who she was for me, that's driving me mad. The echo she left, the person I thought I had with me. But: in the end, this is not her. These are the footprints of her in my life, the part of her soul that's stuck in mine. She decided to move on already, and so did I. We both had to, because staying where we were would have hurt us infinitely more in the end. Even though there was this impression of safety, it was a false promise in the end. No good could ever have come from it had we stayed together, like frogs slowly boiling to death. But still, I saw her yesterday again, and the merry-go-round got another spin. The desire is back, and I can't stop thinking about her. Knowing full well that it'll in turn invite the pain, and force me to relive the separation all over again.

You know what I think? This merry-go-round is what kept us together all of these years. It's the sum of our love, our ambitions and our desire together. There's no way this thing will just stop spinning, it slowly needs to grind to a halt. Yes, that does mean more pain, but perhaps this way of processing a loss is also a way of protecting myself of something much worse. Of going insane. Even though, it's painfull as hell and it's been draining me for the last years. But every time it spins, I do get the ability to let go a bit more. Of stepping back and gasping for some much needed oxygen.

So... that's where I am now. Just moved to my own place, and I actually gave myself a treat: non-disclosure! I've been on HRT for a while now, and can live with a closed narrative. In turn, the splitting with my ex and moving into this new place did open a new chapter in my book: a way of experiencing life the way a cis-girl would. Does that make me happy? Hell yes! Perhaps it's the treat I needed to get through this dark winter, it definitely gave me the strength to see this all through. And; with my SRS coming up in 4 months, things are only going to get better. There is no turning back to whatever I had, but perhaps that's not the way to go. My ex and I still meet, and the more she sees me, the more we realize this IS the way to go. Pain, yes. But it's the letting go that enabled me to step into this new phase of my life. Every ending holds a new beginning :)

Your story made me cry as I realized also how different me and my ex's needs became once I started this journey. We both wanted different things. I am sad to hear that it didn't work out but glad to hear that you are thriving through the pain I also have the CIS girl experience and it is awesome if only I had the money for srs (lucky you) It is new beginnings for me by letting go and embracing my present me and my boyfriend want the same things luckily. I get to mother a child also if all works out.

Best of luck and hugs to you


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LiliFee

Quote from: Amoré on March 29, 2017, 03:44:23 AM
Your story made me cry as I realized also how different me and my ex's needs became once I started this journey. We both wanted different things. I am sad to hear that it didn't work out but glad to hear that you are thriving through the pain I also have the CIS girl experience and it is awesome if only I had the money for srs (lucky you) It is new beginnings for me by letting go and embracing my present me and my boyfriend want the same things luckily. I get to mother a child also if all works out.

Best of luck and hugs to you

Thanks :)

As for SRS; don't they have health insurance in South Africa? Also, a south african friend of mine recently moved to Europe (where I am) and got in pretty easily. Perhaps that's a way to go? I don't know about you, but for me SRS is really necessary.

Whatever you do, I wish you all the love and luck the universe can give you :)

Hugs!
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Amoré

Quote from: LiliFee on March 29, 2017, 03:51:21 AM
Thanks :)

As for SRS; don't they have health insurance in South Africa? Also, a south african friend of mine recently moved to Europe (where I am) and got in pretty easily. Perhaps that's a way to go? I don't know about you, but for me SRS is really necessary.

Whatever you do, I wish you all the love and luck the universe can give you :)

Hugs!

Nope they don't cover it as it is seen as cosmetic for me it is also necessary. I don't moving to europe is an option as I have a daughter this side I won't leave her. Having the visitation and not having her under my roof is already hard enough for me. So I have to save up to get the op


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RobynD

Quote from: Amoré on March 29, 2017, 01:54:34 AM

She also complemented me on how I look and said I was the most beautiful trans woman that she ever saw and said how the receptionist that was a beautition freaked out about how beautiful I am.  :o

From what i have seen they both are very correct :) Possibly more important is that you seem to have a heart that seeks peace and that is a really valuable asset.


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Amoré

Hi guys I have my daughter this weekend with me and she said some disturbing stuff. She said mom has a new boyfriend and that she must sleep on the ground next to mom so the new boyfriend can sleep in the bed with mom. Also she said that she saw them naked together in bed. Not only was my world disrupted by the news of my ex having someone new but also the news of what my daughter saw absolutely was wrecking.

I am still struggling to get over my ex and now it is this a clear sign that I must move on but not only that what my daughter saw is disturbing.

I keep on telling myself I am a trans woman now this is chapter 3 I closed the other chapters they are done but my head want to go back to me being male and having a family it feels unfair towards my daugter that she can't have chapter one.

Was I not really ready to transition maybe, It has been a year and a bit since I moved out and I am still not over her. I am in a relationship now and it doesn't even help me. I keep on feeling like the whole story of my male life was ended and incomplete. But I can't go back to being male because if I do I will lose my mind again.

As a woman I don't want to be in a lesbian relationship also I want to be with a man although I am bisexual and I am attracted to both sexes I feel it is a better fit when you are with the opposite sex. In my case my op is not done yet so the fit is a bit awkward but it works in a way in all other aspects.


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RobynD

Sorry that report came to you that way and that your ex seems to be insensitive to the needs of your daughter. Hopefully whatever she saw was innocent (nudity in passing etc). A lot of kids see their parent(s) nude at varying ages but at some point they generally need privacy. If you have concerns that there is more than that to it, i'd talk with a child welfare expert in your area and see what they think.

As to getting over her? There is no doubt that stuff is hard, probably only therapy and good relationships of your own are the main ways to get past that. You want to be with men and it sounds like you have a great and supportive one.



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Rachel

I know that norm are different in different countries but where I live what your ex did is very irresponsible. Your daughter is very lucky to have you as a loving parent.

You are going through the grieving process and what you are feeling is normal. Your boyfriend is giving you support and love, you are a lucky woman to have someone there for you.
HRT  5-28-2013
FT   11-13-2015
FFS   9-16-2016 -Spiegel
GCS 11-15-2016 - McGinn
Hair Grafts 3-20-2017 - Cooley
Voice therapy start 3-2017 - Reene Blaker
Labiaplasty 5-15-2017 - McGinn
BA 7-12-2017 - McGinn
Hair grafts 9-25-2017 Dr.Cooley
Sataloff Cricothyroid subluxation and trachea shave12-11-2017
Dr. McGinn labiaplasty, hood repair, scar removal, graph repair and bottom of  vagina finished. urethra repositioned. 4-4-2018
Dr. Sataloff Glottoplasty 5-14-2018
Dr. McGinn vaginal in office procedure 10-22-2018
Dr. McGinn vaginal revision 2 4-3-2019 Bottom of vagina closed off, fat injected into the labia and urethra repositioned.
Dr. Thomas in 2020 FEMLAR
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Amoré

Quote from: Rachel Lynn on April 07, 2017, 06:49:46 PM
I know that norm are different in different countries but where I live what your ex did is very irresponsible. Your daughter is very lucky to have you as a loving parent.

You are going through the grieving process and what you are feeling is normal. Your boyfriend is giving you support and love, you are a lucky woman to have someone there for you.

I am lucky to have him I can't be more grateful for him. It is only hard because the mind wants what it wants I have regret sometimes and think if only I could stay male all this hurt would not be there if only I kept my mouth shut. I know eventually it all would have boiled down and I would have broken down. I sometimes feel male still and I don't know why. I hate the feeling because it gives me false hope and that maybe I could have made it if only I tried harder.


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Saira128

I think your ex is behaving very irresponsibly. You should tell her to grow up. Its nice that you have someone who understands you in your boyfriend, try speaking to him about this.
     Also, you need to keep a cool head and try to remain positive, I know its difficult, but try anyway. Meditation helps, believe me.
Love ,
          Saira :-*
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