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Started by Sal Square, July 10, 2017, 02:42:55 PM

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Sal Square

Here it goes.

I'm twenty years old, from Austria, an only child, and it only really clicked a bit more than a month ago that I'm most likely not a cis woman, even if I had... doubts before that, probably the first time I stumbled upon the words "transsexual" and "transgender" in a newspaper article, and some bits sounded oddly familiar. I never - really felt like I fit in anywhere before that.

These are the things I knew before I figured anything out (... warning for what is probably dysphoria?): I despise it when my hair gets too long, because it just feels wrong. Dresses are somwhat okay at (rare) times, but when they don't make me want to scream, they feel more like wearing a costume for Halloween did than something that I actually like. The name my parents gave me, while a very nice name that I like on principle, never really felt like it was mine. I could never wear anything low-cut without feeling like throwing up because whenever I looked down or into the mirror, something was wrong. While I was rather disconnected from the word "girl", hearing "woman" just felt... alien, wrong. I tried introducing myself as "Hercules" (Disney movie, not mythology - tiny me didn't know Greek mythology back then) when I was... two-ish? - once. My mother corrected the kids I told that, and me, and I apparently didn't try again.
I tried to tell my mother (we'd always been close) that I didn't feel like a girl before I'd ever really known the concept of being trans existed, and the moment kind of ended up being burned into my brain.
"Do you want to be a boy, then?", she asked, in a tone that was verging on disapproval.
"No", I answered, and burst into tears.
I also despised it when people would label me as a boy, which stopped when puberty came, though I still can't tell whether it was because of the tone the statement was usually made in or because I genuinely don't feel like a boy. Sometimes I think it's half dozen of one, six of the other.

It took me more than twenty years to stumble upon the term "non binary", and really understand what it means. It fits - better than anything else ever has, so far, and I really like the word "enby", although I'll probably figure out more bits as I go along.
Some of the first people I came out to were my parents, with... mixed reactions. On the one hand, they actually helped me in getting a haircut (also, yay! Short hair again! I will never let it grow out again!  :D ), a chestbinder, and allowed me to get some men's clothes on my own dime; on the other hand... if they could stop from complaining about any of these whenever we talk for more than half an hour, it would be great.
I get that having parents who don't either forcibly keep you in the closet or just plain get abusive or throw you out is a pretty big gift. Them helping me in some ways is an even greater one.
It still would be nice if they could not tell me whether I'm not worried people will think I look like a cancer victim with the lack of chest and short hair, have them start using my new name and stop using my old one - and properly, normally, none of this only using my new name in a tone that's dripping with disapproval and to start off yet another negative commentary - have them not scoff in annoyance whenever the topic comes up in conversation, no matter how tangentially; or not have to have the exact same discussions of "Well, do you want to be a boy, then? I really don't like the way your hair's so short/what you're doing with your chest. And those clothes! What about kids?" yet again; tell me they don't really get what non binary means and when I offer to explain, tell me they don't have time - for... several not actually that busy weeks now and after I printed reading material and definitions for them to read on their own, which they still haven't looked at. It only feels worse because we've always been close.
I'm currently just hoping it'll get better - it probably will, but right now, it really sucks.

Uh... happier things. I study in Vienna, but am not from there, like maths and sciences - especially chemistry, and want to become a teacher for both of these - currently, since it's the summer holidays, I'm stuck back at where I grew up which is... honestly not a place I like very much or have friends in; there's some nearby-ish, but none in the village I actually live. So it's just me and my parents, usually.
I love to read, recently mostly online fiction, whether fan or original (it's free + my reading speed's high enough that's relevant). I also like writing, though I'm admittedly an amateur in both the modern and original sense of the word. My first language is German, which is something that shines through occasionally in certain phrases, spelling mistakes, and my (over)use of punctuation.
I just - kind of wish to find a place to find community, and not feel alone, or out of place in. Where I can talk about my issues a bit.
... or a lot, looking at that word vomit above.

Sal

PS: Since I'm kind of new here, any advice? Things I should look at or check out on this forum?
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V M

Hi Sal  :icon_wave:

Welcome to Susan's Place  :)  Glad to have you here, join on in the fun

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Hugs

V M
The main things to remember in life are Love, Kindness, Understanding and Respect - Always make forward progress

Superficial fanny kissing friends are a dime a dozen, a TRUE FRIEND however is PRICELESS


- V M
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Kendra

Hello Sal, and welcome!

It's interesting how people can head in opposite directions (I am MTF) while having many things in common.  Reading your introduction, I just now realized I never cut my hair in the past to match my assigned gender because I wanted to.  I only did so to make other people happy.  Same with clothing in my assigned gender.

By sharing your experiences others can learn more about themselves, as you just now helped me learn more about myself - things I can relate to.

Quote from: Sal Square on July 10, 2017, 02:42:55 PM
  > I'm currently just hoping it'll get better - it probably will, but right now, it really sucks.

I am certain things will get better for you.  You have already accomplished something amazing I wish I had earlier - you are honestly discovering and determining who you are. 

I imagine you already found the non-binary board, but just in case - https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/board,57.0.html

Kendra


Assigned male at birth 1963.  Decided I wanted to be a girl in 1971.  Laser 2014-16, electrolysis 2015-17, HRT 7/2017, GCS 1/2018, VFS 3/2018, FFS 5/2018, Labiaplasty & BA 7/2018. 
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Thessa

Servus Sal,

welcome to Susan and thanks for sharing you experience. Like Kendra I have similar experiences but im the opposite direction.

On most of my childhood picture I look like a girl.

Do you know the following organization?
http://www.courage-beratung.at

Maybe they have something useful for you.

Hugs, Theresa

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Dan

Servus Sal!

I have relatives in Salzburg and Linz :) but I live in Australia.

I can relate to many of your feelings about yourself, and it was only a few months ago that I became aware of the term transgender ( I'm a tech geek so I never read much outside my interests of robotics and writing software) quite by accident and suddenly I realized what I felt wasn't just me but there were others out there just like me. I felt normal!

Long story short: I've decided that I must exit my previous life and re-enter as male. I'm now 8 days on T and feeling amazingly well and contented.

This is a great place and there are many just like you on a similar journey. We might be in other countries, but we all meet right here where we can provide companionship and learn from others.

Bis bald!
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Sal Square

In order:

Thanks, V M (... is there any way to tag people, should I even do that, or is this okay?) - I think I've looked at all of those, and will definitely look at them again a couple of times.
I also found something regarding swearing on this board - spefically, its prohibition - does this only or mostly include sexually or otherwise graphic terms, or also blasphemic oaths as often used these days (Goddamn, damn, holy [insert word or phrase], gosh, darn, to give some examples)? I have the tendency to use them as exclamations sometimes, and kind of don't want to break the rules before I've even properly arrived.


Hey Kendra,

It's odd, isn't it? So many things to make other people happy, and I, for one, never really ended up that way myself. Take hair, again - for me it's just nice to have it cut short, to have it not fall into my face or tickle in my neck. Whenever I'm reminded of how short it is, a part of me wants to smile, because - yay! It's short! I can actually rub it dry with a towel! How awesome is that? Feel free to share your feelings about your hair  :D

I'm reasonably certain they will, and - there is that, at least. I figured at least some parts out. Not everything, but at least a start  :)

Thank you, I'll definitely take a look there.


Servus, Thessa!

On most of my own, unless stuffed into a dress, I look... well, I think people might have a hard time telling which gender I was "supposed" to be. Frankly, that always seemed preferable at that age, unless people got mean about it.

I already looked up courage, and it would be honestly easier if they were somwhat closer - the benefits of living somewhere nowhere  :( On the plus side, I'll sooner or later gather up the courage (yes, I like bad puns) and time to actually phone or email them, but it mostly looks like nothing else will be possible until the new semester starts and I'm back in Vienna...
Still, thank you.  :)


Hey Dan,

I guess this is not the place for kangaroo jokes, then?  >:-)
I'm sorry, couldn't resist.
I think finally feeling oddly normal might be the best part sometimes of figuring things out. For me, it's just knowing that I'm not wrong somehow (no matter what some... less than open-minded people say), that there are other people out there who get it. That there are words for these feelings.

And it's really great T's treating you well. I'm still figuring out, and probably will take some more time figuring out whether I want HRT in the first place... some effects sound awesome, some less so (especially the bits about possible mood swings). What's your experience with T like so far, if you want to talk about it?

Thank you. I think I'm already experiencing the bit about companionship here  :)

Liebe Grüße an Euch alle (that is, roughly "dear greetings to you all"),

Sal
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Kendra

To tag someone, click on their name for profile - you can add them to your Buddy List.

On the topic of swearing etc. - my understanding is the extreme/rough terminology must be avoided.  I think the main reason is Susan's Place is for all transgender people regardless of age.  Also a goal is to be welcoming to everyone - people of all cultures and faiths along the entire gender spectrum.  if you avoid terms that are obviously off-limits I think you'll be fine.  The site's Terms of Service has details. 

If you're able to style your hair exactly the way you want - short in your case - that is perfect.  It is so liberating to be able to make yourself happy, isn't it?  I am still discovering this. 
Assigned male at birth 1963.  Decided I wanted to be a girl in 1971.  Laser 2014-16, electrolysis 2015-17, HRT 7/2017, GCS 1/2018, VFS 3/2018, FFS 5/2018, Labiaplasty & BA 7/2018. 
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Dan

Servus Sal,

You can joke about 'roos here, but they are no joking matter when you hit one with your car, as has happened to me since I moved out of the big cities into the outback. I love kangaroos, both out on the hop and on my dinner plate :D

I was also worried about mood swings and voracious hunger on T. I discussed these with my doctor, who re-assured me that mood swings are mainly due to fluctuations in T levels, and that's why I'm on the 6 week dose which rises slowly and then slowly drops over six weeks, but all the time stays within the male range. By week six there is another injection and this regime keeps the levels quite steady.

I had no mood swings other than feeling stable as I have always done ( I was never subject to any kind of hormonal mood swings), and feeling very calm and focused, which could be due my body finally getting what it's always needed in the required amounts. Apparently transgender people do have hormone receptors that work best for the gender they have always perceived themselves to be. I'll start collecting some research articles that investigate these issues in a more scientific manner. There are quite a number out there already, and I'm sure that the data will build up over time as more and more of us transgender people come out.

Therefore it is important that you work with an experienced doctor who can monitor your levels and adjust according to your specific needs.

As for the voracious appetite that some people experience, well I haven't experienced that. It's the same as before. But I do exercise quite intensely and so my appetite has always been in line with my exercise levels, and I've made sure to eat healthy food. Now that I'm on T, I'm even more motivated to keep myself in shape and lose all that female fat ( I have enough of it to make me look like a female, ugh!).

Absolutely take your time to discover what is best for you. We are all individuals who just want to have the freedom to express our individuality, whatever form it takes.

I miss the mountains in Austria. I will have to make a pilgrimage again to visit relatives and the mountains again; probably Dec/Jan 18/19. I prefer the winter since I'm hot enough here and don't need more heat  ::)
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Sal Square

Hey Kendra -

Thanks, that's pretty much in line with what I expected; asking still can't hurt, though.

Being able to make yourself happy definitely is. What are you currently discovering there?


Servus Dan,

I... seriously never heard about anyone crashing into a kangaroo before this. I should perhaps talk more to Australian people. And - if you're not joking, how does kangaroo taste?

That account of taking T is actually rather reassuring. And definitely planning on taking lots of time to think this over and get proper medical assistance if I do go through with it at all. Although - since you mainly talked about what side effects didn't happen, what were the good parts that did, if you want to talk about it?

Strangely enough, I really don't like winter. It might have something to do with the way my fingers and toes tend to lose heat, or the fact that the heating system here at home is... less than optimal, so I'm cold all the time, which is not enjoyable at all. But I can get missing mountains - and snow.
Strangely enough, despite it usually being cold and wet, I still like snow. I think this will last until I'll have to drive during winter for the first time.  :laugh:

Bis bald,

Sal
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Thessa

Hi Sal,

when you are back in Vienna you can try kangaroo at the Crossfields a pub located on the backside of Hotel Sacher.

Dr. Ulrike Kaufmann is the one to consult about T. But before that you need follow this:

https://www.bmgf.gv.at/home/Schwerpunkte/Psychische_Gesundheit/Transsexualismus_Geschlechtsdysphorie/

Do you have a gender therapist already, some professional to speak about everything?

Alles Liebe,
Theresa
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Dan

Quote from: Sal Square on July 13, 2017, 03:14:01 PM


Servus Dan,

I... seriously never heard about anyone crashing into a kangaroo before this. I should perhaps talk more to Australian people. And - if you're not joking, how does kangaroo taste?
Unfortunately, roos are not very traffic savvy and they just jump out of nowhere into the traffic. There are thousands of kangaroo strikes across Australia every year. Most Aussies live in big cities where they are more likely to hit a cat, unless they live in Canberra which is surrounded by mobs of kangaroos not far out of town. But then again, Canberra is quite a small town in the middle of nowhere.

Kangaroo is excellent lean meat. Probably the healthiest out there. I am told by those who tried both types of meats, that it tastes similar to deer, but maybe a bit stronger.

Quote from: Sal Square on July 13, 2017, 03:14:01 PM
That account of taking T is actually rather reassuring. And definitely planning on taking lots of time to think this over and get proper medical assistance if I do go through with it at all. Although - since you mainly talked about what side effects didn't happen, what were the good parts that did, if you want to talk about it?
It's only been 10 days since I've started on T and one can't expect much of an impact at this point. There are a few things that I have noticed, like my eyebrows have got a few extra and darker hairs, which is great because mine are mostly blond and almost non-existent.

I feel that my voice is still the same in general, which is to be expected, but the lower end sounds a bit more booming to me, which other earlier trans guys have reported to have noticed in themselves in the first few weeks. So, there must be truth to it.

The 'ol joystick seems to be having feel good responses all on its own since about day 7, which is nice :) I've been informed that it can grow to a max of 5 cm in most people. Plus many others have reported almost immediate growth in the first few weeks (I'm not sure how they could objectively measure it, though). So it seems that there is pretty quick response in that area.

My exercise tolerance has increased a bit because I can hit peak heart rate during interval training sessions more frequently and at a slightly higher level.

I've been doing strength training for a long time before starting T with the aim of increasing strength and muscle volume. I have not noticed any increase in my muscles in that area so far that I can ascribe with certainty to T rather than just training effects. I've heard that that can take a few more weeks to make itself visible and felt. I'm looking forward to that.
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Quote from: Sal Square on July 13, 2017, 03:14:01 PM
Strangely enough, I really don't like winter. It might have something to do with the way my fingers and toes tend to lose heat, or the fact that the heating system here at home is... less than optimal, so I'm cold all the time, which is not enjoyable at all. But I can get missing mountains - and snow.
Strangely enough, despite it usually being cold and wet, I still like snow. I think this will last until I'll have to drive during winter for the first time.  :laugh:

To feel warm inside the house during winter is really important. My relative's houses are usually too hot for me in winter, I think they turn it up especially when I come to visit  ::)

I would not want to drive in winter. Slippery roads, bad visibility, possible deer jumping in front of your car.... nope. Not fun.


Bis bald,

Dan
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