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When did you stop worrying about passing?

Started by Just Mandy, December 06, 2007, 05:02:25 PM

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nickie

Nichole, LOL, great sense of humor! I think I have always had a attitude, that is not caring what other people think of me. I felt pretty okay the day I was in the supermarket, right before I went "full-time". I had on no bra, no makeup, was wearing jeans, sneakers and a t-shirt. I started into the men's restroom, and a male employee stopped me, and said, "Ma'am, you're going into he wrong restroom".
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dbagal

Wow, "passing" ... that's a huge topic for all of us ... here are my two cents FWIW ... I believe that as a whole we tend to put too much emphasis on passing ... understanding that there are a variety of body shapes, facial contours, ages, income levels, etc. that function in the area of passing, I still believe that we pass when we are "REAL" ... by REAL I mean that we present an honest, sincere, consistent portrait of ourselves to both our loved ones and the world in general ... and that means different things to each one of us ... for me, I'm a woman every minute of every day, and yet my daughters call me "Dad" and I wouldn't have it any other way ... I talk about my kids all the time and would never hide tha fact that I am their father ... but that works for me, and maybe not for everyone ... anyway cheers to all and if you are interested here is a great link to what "REAL" means to me ...

http://www.community4me.com/Velvetveen.html
 
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Berliegh

Re: When did you stop worrying about passing?

It's always in the back of my mind and not many people pass 100% all of the time. I've now come to realise I pass less than I thought I did which is very frustrating...
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Blanche

That happened one day while brushing my hair.  I closely looked at my reflection in the mirror and saw a woman.  I understood then that I could not be read as a man because there was nothing masculine about my appearance.  I was right.
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rhondabythebay

I stopped worrying about it when 90% of the customers I helped at work referred to me as she, her, ma'am etc., and I'm not even fulltime yet. I decided it wasn't worth the energy to worry anymore.

Hugs,

Rhonda
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Berliegh

Quote from: Blanche on December 16, 2007, 11:12:06 PM
That happened one day while brushing my hair.  I closely looked at my reflection in the mirror and saw a woman.  I understood then that I could not be read as a man because there was nothing masculine about my appearance.  I was right.

You are very lucky......I still find things I think are male..
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mickiejr1815

i'm so not anywhere near full time but i guess you could say i am close. all the associates i work with know who i am, and know i am male, even ones i haven't really met yet. i pretty much present as female though, i wear scrunchies, ladies pants, steel toed women's shoes, i wear hair clips in my hair, i use to wear a big old coat that my dad thought was attracting cops to me and advised me to quit wearing it, i did and i took over my wife's winter coats as they are not too overly girly, this past sunday even, i borrowed my wife's scarf, a real pretty light blue, and no one said anything, the only real thing that gives me away that i am male is other associates or my voice being too deep at the time.

on separate occasions, i went up somewehere to pick something up, and this time i was dressed male and thought no one was behind me and took my son with me, next thing i know there is this black guy falling up the steps and then i guess felt he had to redeem himself by getting the door for me and was all like," i'll get that for you sweetie" which creeped me out as i am not the least bit attracted to guys. then another time, same place just different time, i went up to the window to pick it up, and she was like i put it in the computer that so and so is here but that you're here for them, so i sat down thinking oh wow she thinks i must be my wife and i said nothing. they called me back and i went, and they called me her and she and asked me if i had my drivers license on me, i said yes and i thought oh aren't they in for a bit of a surprise when they see it, they gave me what i needed without my license and i left. the thing was in my wife's name, so i signed and where i went all they did was ask if i signed it, i said yeah and left. no questions asked. the second time i picked it up, it was in my name, and the guy was like ma'am did you sign it already, i told him yes and i left. i know this is long but it proves a point to me and touches me more than i ever thought it would.

last week my wife forgot her lunch box in our car, so i had to take it back to her, i stood there at the bank waiting patiently with my son and her lunch for her to be done with customers. there was a rather pretty blonde in the back working the drive-up. my wife comes out and i let her drive us home, she goes you know what i was asked today? i said no what? i got asked if you were my sister! oh was i so touched, as i never in a million years would have thought she would have been asked that, as quite frankly i really don't think i much look like her or her sister, but she told them i was her husband and she went on with herself. as for my case i pass most of the time which makes me happy, and sometimes more than i ever expect, which makes me ecstatic.... ;D
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Nigella

Hi all,

I stopped worrying about passing the minute my beard was almost gone. I got to the stage where I didn't really care what others thought, I wanted just to be me. I have only been out and about since July and  no one seems to care, no strange looks so far and last Saturday I was shopping and went to a shopping center (mall). Two things happened, 1. I knocked some books over in a book shop and I stooped down to pick them up and when I finished a man was obviously staring down at my boobs, lol. 2. Some one brushed passed and I swear they touched my bum, god how rude I thought. First time anything like that as happened to me and I got to thinking did I dress wrong? I was in a normal top, not to low cut and trousers.

Just be yourself and look confident.

hugs

Nigella
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HappyWoman

Hi All,
This is my first post here.  I received a link to this forum via one of my Google alerts.  Let me briefly introduce myself.  My name is Terri and I live in the Midwest.  I am many years post-op (20+) and I am simply a woman who was born with a birth anomaly for which I sought medical intervention and had the birth anomaly corrected.

The subject of this thread piqued my curiosity.  I never use the term passing and I think any person born with transsexualism, or the newer term HBS, is doing themselves a great disservice by using it in the context of being perceived in your daily lives.  Passing, by the very nature of its definition in this context means trying to pass oneself off as something they are not.  When I was a child growing up in Appalachia it was commonly used for a black person trying to "pass" as a white person.  I am not trying to pass as anything.  I was born a woman but, because of a set of rare prenatal conditions, my body developed incorrectly, presenting as male.  So, even though I may retain some physical male characteristics, I am NOT a male trying to "pass" as a female.  Because of those residue male characteristics someone could mistake me for a male but that would be mis-reading me, not reading me.  I cannot control whether someone does that so I never concern myself about it though no one has addressed me as a male for at least 20 years.  Now a cross dresser, ->-bleeped-<-, drag queen or anyone who's gender presentation is opposite their own sexual identity could use the term passing accurately.  They are trying to "pass" as something they know they are not.

As far as being completely "comfortable" after my transition I guess I would have to say it was after my genital corrective surgery.  Before that I carried a constant "fear" that something would occur that would expose my uncorrected genitals; be it a restroom door accidently swinging open, or being arrested (even falsely) and being searched.  The final "hump" for me was about 9 months after surgery.  I joined a health spa.  I will never forget the feeling I had after my workout when I went to the women's locker room, took off my clothes and went into the group shower with two other women.  I even chatted with them about the weather or something mundane like that.  I was never concerned again about "passing".

Terri
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Nigella

Quote from: HappyWoman on December 19, 2007, 01:42:54 PM
I never use the term passing and I think any person born with transsexualism, or the newer term HBS, is doing themselves a great disservice by using it in the context of being perceived in your daily lives.  Passing, by the very nature of its definition in this context means trying to pass oneself off as something they are not.  When I was a child growing up in Appalachia it was commonly used for a black person trying to "pass" as a white person.  I am not trying to pass as anything.  I was born a woman but, because of a set of rare prenatal conditions, my body developed incorrectly, presenting as male. 

Thanks Terri

I agree with you and that has helped me too.

hugs

Nigella
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Hypatia

Right on, Terri. You said it very well and I agree with you completely. I have dropped the term "to pass" from my vocabulary. Now I call it "being perceived correctly as the woman who I am."
Here's what I find about compromise--
don't do it if it hurts inside,
'cause either way you're screwed,
eventually you'll find
you may as well feel good;
you may as well have some pride

--Indigo Girls
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Veronica Secret

Quote from: HappyWoman on December 19, 2007, 01:42:54 PM


As far as being completely "comfortable" after my transition I guess I would have to say it was after my genital corrective surgery.  Before that I carried a constant "fear" that something would occur that would expose my uncorrected genitals; be it a restroom door accidently swinging open, or being arrested (even falsely) and being searched.  The final "hump" for me was about 9 months after surgery.  I joined a health spa.  I will never forget the feeling I had after my workout when I went to the women's locker room, took off my clothes and went into the group shower with two other women.  I even chatted with them about the weather or something mundane like that.  I was never concerned again about "passing".

Terri

I almost forgot about that feeling, now it is just I am another woman in the locker room. But, yeah, the first time showering and doing the sauna with the girls was quite something. Yeah, chatting casually with other naked women the first time was also an experience. I wonder if all this obsession here about passing is being perpetrated by pre-ops. (I don't know who is and who isn't yet)
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Hypatia

Well yeah, I mean being post-op and naked pretty much settles the matter for all time.
Here's what I find about compromise--
don't do it if it hurts inside,
'cause either way you're screwed,
eventually you'll find
you may as well feel good;
you may as well have some pride

--Indigo Girls
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Veronica Secret

You know, sitting in a locker room or a sauna naked and just chatting casually with someone of the same sex is something I thought I would NEVER do. Can anyone imagine men doing that?
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IsabelleStPierre

#54
Hum...when did I stop worrying about passing?? :eusa_think:

To some degree I always worry a little...but for me it was when I was shopping and a woman walked up to me and just started a conversation and asked my opinion on some clothes she had picked out...I guess it was basically when other woman started accepting me for a woman...or the day I had three guys trailing behind me at CostCo...or the day an eight year old girl walked up to me and said 'Ma'am, I really like your dress.' Come to think of it...it was the day the guys were trailing behind me...

I used to obsess about passing...but haven't for some time now. I think it's only normal for people to worry about passing, especially right after transitioning. It's not until you become comfortable within yourself that you really stop worrying about it...in my opinion at least.

Peace and love,
Isabelle St-Pierre
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Kat

At my school they had a week long freshman orientation where I was thrown into the mix of a lot of people my age.  After having no problems I knew I was going to be okay :)
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Berliegh

I think the question might have been aimed at older transitioners who may be far less convincing.......I'm not really surprised by Isabelle and Kat's comments, given your ages and appearance....
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IsabelleStPierre

Quote from: Berliegh on December 27, 2007, 07:35:17 AM
I think the question might have been aimed at older transitioners who may be far less convincing.......I'm not really surprised by Isabelle and Kat's comments, given your ages and appearance....

Actually the hardest age to transition is during mid-life in my opinion. Those of us who transitioned young are more passable...usually...depending upon a lot of different factors still. Those who transition in their late 50 and 60 actually have it easier then someone in their 30's and 40's....but that has just been my observations...

Peace and love,
Izzy
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Hypatia

Quote from: Isabelle St-Pierre on December 27, 2007, 01:44:36 PMActually the hardest age to transition is during mid-life in my opinion.
sigh
Tell me about it!
Here's what I find about compromise--
don't do it if it hurts inside,
'cause either way you're screwed,
eventually you'll find
you may as well feel good;
you may as well have some pride

--Indigo Girls
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alisontaylor

I've been amazed about how easy it has been since I went full time about 6 months ago. Only one real incident when a group of teenage girls seemed to notice but beyond that no problems at all. I agree the longer you go the easier it becomes. You expect to be treated as a woman and that draws people along.

I was lucky to be able to grow my hair out to shoulder length before full time. I think sometimes when I was spotted it was the wig they were reacting to.

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